Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 06/22/11 1:46 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:24, Lodewijklodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: 2011/6/22 Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com There are at least three serious issues in creation of such projects, if they are not defined strictly linguistically: * Scope. Which

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 06/23/11 1:30 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: people working at teacher schools in switzerland approached us a couple of times to push into a direction of *having wikipedia for different age groups *. first discussed ideas included the *groups **kids, junior, standard, *and * expert*. this would

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 11:40 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: On 06/22/11 1:46 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: I have a friendly advice for you (and I hope that Michael and Gerard wouldn't kill me because of that): If you are able to create really valid community and your language is not considered as a world one (as

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Milos, First of all, in my opinion this should not be a discussion about language but rather about viability. Like Ray explained, if you try to define everything into detail (we cannot allow...) then you might kill the idea before it is born. Let us first think about whether we /want/ to have

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Alec Conroy
If it is technically viable, I would love to see some way to create such projects (standalone or not) Do we have any data on the resource usage of a creating a new standalone project? If it's, as I expect, relatively trivial, then why not make a simplified dutch project? The worst that

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/24/2011 01:42 PM, Lodewijk wrote: Let us first think about whether we /want/ to have such projects before we dive into details about specific definitions etc. That is also the reason why I personally think this should not be an issue for the Language Committee in the first place.

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, just to be totally clear: I do not intend to pursue simple Dutch Wikipedia myself, I only took that as an example of a typical language that is not a world language etc - for major languages present in many countries/regions the need can only be higher (simple Spanish, French, Chinese,

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-24 Thread rupert THURNER
what could be done to get wikipedia for different age groups off the ground? would there be a possibility to get pilot space? On Jun 24, 2011 11:55 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 06/23/11 1:30 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: people working at teacher schools in switzerland approa...

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-23 Thread rupert THURNER
people working at teacher schools in switzerland approached us a couple of times to push into a direction of *having wikipedia for different age groups *. first discussed ideas included the *groups **kids, junior, standard, *and * expert*. this would mean maximum four times as many articles,

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Lodewijk wrote: Lets try to approach this from another angle. Perhaps simple Wikipedia should not be considered as a different language, but rather as a different project - a simplified Wikipedia. Because the purpose of simple wikipedia's can be debated of course, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-22 Thread Lodewijk
2011/6/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com There are at least three serious issues in creation of such projects, if they are not defined strictly linguistically: * Scope. Which age do we cover, approximately? Any valid theory would be useful, but it should be defined. According to Piaget, less

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 22:24, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: 2011/6/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com There are at least three serious issues in creation of such projects, if they are not defined strictly linguistically: * Scope. Which age do we cover, approximately? Any valid

[Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Lodewijk
Lets try to approach this from another angle. Perhaps simple Wikipedia should not be considered as a different language, but rather as a different project - a simplified Wikipedia. Because the purpose of simple wikipedia's can be debated of course, but one potential is to give more people

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Erik Zachte
Another alternative: New 'simple/advanced' keywords which would hide specific sections of the content from the user if he or she asked for it. I envision a Wikipedia (many years from now) which knows you want math articles in a simple version but detailed/advanced coverage of say history