[Foundation-l] The Wikimedia Foundation seems to want to repudiate Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, and make text contributors liable for every kind of complaint
I want to say very clearly that without the provisions included under Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, it will be very difficult for volunteer contributors to consider working for a project that makes them liable to all kinds of complaints. For that reason, the proposed Indemnity clause of the proposed new terms of use is a tremendous change. This sort of major change should be discussed in a very wide consultation with the community, with a sitenotice announcement on all projects, rather than making a surreptitious change as is being proposed on Meta. See also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use#Terms_of_use.2316._Indemnity:_You_don.27t_mean_to_nullify_the_Creative_Commons_terms.2C_do_you_.3F ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikimedia Foundation seems to want to repudiate Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, and make text contributors liable for every kind of complaint
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: I want to say very clearly that without the provisions included under Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, it will be very difficult for volunteer contributors to consider working for a project that makes them liable to all kinds of complaints. For that reason, the proposed Indemnity clause of the proposed new terms of use is a tremendous change. This sort of major change should be discussed in a very wide consultation with the community, with a sitenotice announcement on all projects, rather than making a surreptitious change as is being proposed on Meta. See also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use#Terms_of_use.2316._Indemnity:_You_don.27t_mean_to_nullify_the_Creative_Commons_terms.2C_do_you_.3F Also posted on the meta page: You are misunderstanding the interplay between these sections. The section of the CC license you quote disclaims warranties; such disclaimers have limited applicability and scope, and can't be used to avoid liability arising in other ways. Additionally, and obviously, nothing in the disclaimer allows the contributor to violate the terms of service agreement, and the indemnity clause applies only to such violations. ~Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikimedia Foundation seems to want to repudiate Creative Commons 3.0 article 5, and make text contributors liable for every kind of complaint
I replied at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use#Terms_of_use.2316._Indemnity:_You_don.27t_mean_to_nullify_the_Creative_Commons_terms.2C_do_you_.3F I think if the Italian Wikipedians fought against an Italian bill of law trying to make them liable for a large series of complaints, they should also have a closer look at the draft terms of use prepared by the Wikimedia Foundation. How much shall the new Indemnity clause cost to Wikipedians ? More or less than the 12000 € fine of the Italian bill of law ? Also posted on the meta page: You are misunderstanding the interplay between these sections. The section of the CC license you quote disclaims warranties; such disclaimers have limited applicability and scope, and can't be used to avoid liability arising in other ways. Additionally, and obviously, nothing in the disclaimer allows the contributor to violate the terms of service agreement, and the indemnity clause applies only to such violations. ~Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
