Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-12 Thread Chad
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, George Herbert wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: >>> I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal >>> discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web op

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-12 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: >> I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal >> discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops >> side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > With the increase in administrative and organizational duties, I've been > less and less able to devote time to the part of the job that's nearest > and dearest to me: working with our volunteer developer community and > end users -- Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: > I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal > discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops > side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more > about the ops team and finding I have no

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
> A high turnover rate would indicate a lot of people joining and > leaving, > instead of long-term volunteers. ah! that! no, site is operated by same people as five years ago (with brilliant exception of search), few people left during that time, because of various reasons. some volunteers

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Al Tally
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Hi! > > > I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a > > high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... > > turn-what? > Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. > > Domas > A high turnove

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a > high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... turn-what? Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > High Priest of Mediawiki? I propose robes as his official outfit, similar to this: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@list

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Sean Whitton
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 01:43, George Herbert wrote: > I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal > discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops > side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more > about the ops team and finding

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
High Priest of Mediawiki? From: Dan Rosenthal To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 5:59:14 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split Somehow I'm not disappointed that we're having a prob

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread pbeaudette
My favorite is "Chief Handshaker". :) --Original Message-- From: Brian Sender: foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ReplyTo: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split Sent: Aug

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Brian
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed > > "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not inconsistent > > with industry naming practice for the most important t

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Chad wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> >> * ensure that the developers have what they need and are coding smoothly >> > > Personally, I'm just waiting for Mediawiki to become self-aware and start > coding itself :) If SkyNet is PHP base

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread James Forrester
2009/8/9 Kat Walsh : > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > >> Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the >> business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like >> it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) > > Or you could

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Somehow I'm not disappointed that we're having a problem trying to find a title to describe how incredibly awesome Brion is. Congrats. -Dan On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Jim Redmond wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 19:32, Kat Walsh > wrote: > >> Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-)

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Jim Redmond
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 19:32, Kat Walsh wrote: > Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-) > And here I was going to suggest a slashed title: "Senior Software Architect/Lead Hacker". (Maybe "Senior Software Architect/Sourceror" if he's the eighth son of an eighth son.) Congratulations

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Chad
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > * ensure that the developers have what they need and are coding smoothly > Personally, I'm just waiting for Mediawiki to become self-aware and start coding itself :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Kat Walsh
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the > business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like > it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Or you could have two sets of business card

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread geni
2009/8/7 Brion Vibber : > On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed >> "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not inconsistent >> with industry naming practice for the most important tech guru who >> isn't primarily a

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread effe iets anders
lolz 2009/8/8 Domas Mituzas > Hi! > > > And I have to assume that's primarily due to your > > efforts. > > > > Thanks Brion. Excellent work. > > Yes, thank you Brion! :) > > Domas > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > And I have to assume that's primarily due to your > efforts. > > Thanks Brion. Excellent work. Yes, thank you Brion! :) Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Bod Notbod
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the > business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like > it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Ah, hi Brion. I didn't realise you were on

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Bod Notbod
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Brion is also engaged in a > significant amount of interaction with external communities... Just so happens I got my first view of Brion only yesterday. Here he is giving a talk to Google staff: seems like a lovely, down-to-earth guy. Inform

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-08 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/8/7 Gregory Maxwell: > >> It's not bad to have an internal pattern, but I think it's more >> important to match the practices in industry. >> By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed >> "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not in

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On 8/7/09 3:39 PM, James Forrester wrote: >> 2009/8/7 Brion Vibber: >>> On 8/7/09 3:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: It's not just about resumes, it's also about being taken seriously when communicating with others. A "Head Software Archite

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 3:39 PM, James Forrester wrote: > 2009/8/7 Brion Vibber: >> On 8/7/09 3:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: >>> It's not just about resumes, it's also about being taken seriously >>> when communicating with others. A "Head Software Architect" will >>> probably be taken more seriously than a "Seni

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed > "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not inconsistent > with industry naming practice for the most important tech guru who > isn't primarily a manager. > > It's not a bad t

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread James Forrester
2009/8/7 Brion Vibber : > On 8/7/09 3:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> It's not just about resumes, it's also about being taken seriously >> when communicating with others. A "Head Software Architect" will >> probably be taken more seriously than a "Senior Software Architect", >> since the former sho

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 3:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > It's not just about resumes, it's also about being taken seriously > when communicating with others. A "Head Software Architect" will > probably be taken more seriously than a "Senior Software Architect", > since the former shows you are the boss, that latt

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/7 Aryeh Gregor : > Well, we can still informally call him the lead developer. We can informally call him "Brion". It's worked up until now! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/7 David Gerard : > 2009/8/7 Gregory Maxwell : > >> It's not bad to have an internal pattern, but I think it's more >> important to match the practices in industry. >> By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed >> "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
It's great to hear this. We've really been lacking in senior developer time for the last year or two, and I hope we can put an end to that! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > I would like to note that it isn't just internal naming schemes and/or > industry conventions that matt

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> Our approach to job titles actually has an emerging basic pattern. :-) >> It's not 100% consistent because we sometimes have stuck with commonly >> used titles like "Office Manager" and "

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/7 Gregory Maxwell : > It's not bad to have an internal pattern, but I think it's more > important to match the practices in industry. > By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed > "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not inconsistent > with industry na

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Our approach to job titles actually has an emerging basic pattern. :-) > It's not 100% consistent because we sometimes have stuck with commonly > used titles like "Office Manager" and "General Counsel", but generally > one we try to follow: [sni

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/8/7 Thomas Dalton : > It's not really title inflation to give someone that is in charge of > something a title which says that. Our approach to job titles actually has an emerging basic pattern. :-) It's not 100% consistent because we sometimes have stuck with commonly used titles like "Offic

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/7 Michael Snow : > So you're suggesting we should join in the rampant title inflation of > corporate America, where everyone is a Sr. Executive Vice-President of > something? Anyway, your assessment of Brion's ongoing significance to > our operations is perceptive, and I hope everyone else m

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Snow
Robert Rohde wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> I think this is a fantastic idea. I think the biggest problem the tech >> side of the WMF has had over the last year or two has been >> prioritisation and splitting the job like this should help that no >> end. >> >

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I think this is a fantastic idea. I think the biggest problem the tech > side of the WMF has had over the last year or two has been > prioritisation and splitting the job like this should help that no > end. > > I'm curious - would the Senior

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 11:12 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I think this is a fantastic idea. I think the biggest problem the tech > side of the WMF has had over the last year or two has been > prioritisation and splitting the job like this should help that no > end. > > I'm curious - would the Senior Software Arch

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
I think this is a fantastic idea. I think the biggest problem the tech side of the WMF has had over the last year or two has been prioritisation and splitting the job like this should help that no end. I'm curious - would the Senior Software Architect report to the CTO? If so, that means Brion has

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Erik Moeller
Thank you for the update, Brion. You've been effectively wearing every hat there is to wear for a person with technical skills in the Wikimedia Foundation. That's an enormously challenging set of responsibilities, and you've managed them very well, both in good times and in emergency-crisis-mode-ti

[Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Brion Vibber
I'm very excited to announce some new upcoming hiring for tech... I've also posted this on our tech blog which is mirrored on Planet Wikimedia: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/08/cto-position-split/ -- Back in 2005, Wikimedia brought me on as the Foundation's first paid employee after two ye