Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-19 Thread Luna
Someone (I believe David?) suggested actively encouraging some of your editors/admins to become more active on Commons. I think this is good advice for any project that finds itself using or depending on the services Commons provides. Just as the Commons community will become more aware of your

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-19 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: * Commons (like repository) with sysops elected by other projects which will use it like repository (and in this case the policies are decided by these projects) * another project (wikialbum???) which helps Commons to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-18 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
OK, the question has popped up so many times, that I think it would only be fair to give it a separate topic on this list :) Now I'd like to have a discussion about this, and not just assumptions. Let's not be childish and say yes it is, no it's not (which some of the discussion comes down

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-18 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I thought a bit more about the issue, and I think there is a point we (possibly all of us) are missing. Actually, Commons must be not just a depository, it can also play an active role within WMF projects. Let me give an example. More than a year ago I uploaded this file:

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Lodewijk
OK, the question has popped up so many times, that I think it would only be fair to give it a separate topic on this list :) Now I'd like to have a discussion about this, and not just assumptions. Let's not be childish and say yes it is, no it's not (which some of the discussion comes down to)

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello, I want to start with thanking Effe iets anders, this is the most neutral email about Commons I have seen this week, and I like the fact that there is a new angle to work with. I think Commons is both a service projects and a independent project, Commons is a free file repository and

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Huib, yes, that seems to be an accurate description of the current situation. However, what would you /want/ it to be, and /why/ ? :) Thanks, eia 2009/6/16 Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Hello, I want to start with thanking Effe iets anders, this is the most neutral email

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Huib Laurens
effe iets anders schreef: Hi Huib, yes, that seems to be an accurate description of the current situation. However, what would you /want/ it to be, and /why/ ? :) Thanks, eia 2009/6/16 Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Hello, I would want it to be a independent project

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
: Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:41:49 AM Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not? OK, the question has popped up so many times, that I think it would only be fair

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.comwrote: Commons is an oddball project. Other projects produce work, but Commons stores it. Wikisource could be considered another oddball for the same reason. At this point in time, I would class Commons as a service project

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.comwrote: Commons is an oddball project. Other projects produce work, but Commons stores it. Wikisource could be considered another oddball for the same reason. At this point in time, I would class Commons as a service project

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Its only point=what is does=store images for other projects I was not referring to the cabinet makers, just the filing cabinets. It was the closest metaphor for Commons my caffeine deprived brain could think of. Following along it, a cabinet maker is one who makes cabinets. The cabinets

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Huib Laurens
Geoffrey Plourde schreef: Its only point=what is does=store images for other projects I was not referring to the cabinet makers, just the filing cabinets. It was the closest metaphor for Commons my caffeine deprived brain could think of. Following along it, a cabinet maker is one who makes

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.comwrote: Its only point=what is does=store images for other projects Then your earlier statement is incorrect because that's not the only thing Commons does. People do view Commons images directly. Moreover, many of those

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
2 Commons is not ready to be a service project to replace local uploads, translations aren't good enough and there a not enough administrators to give enough service to all language projects. I am not sure what you mean. es.wp and (almost) de.wp only use Commons, they do not have any local

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.comwrote: effe iets anders schreef: Hi Huib, yes, that seems to be an accurate description of the current situation. However, what would you /want/ it to be, and /why/ ? :) Thanks, eia 2009/6/16 Huib

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:13:55 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not? On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.comwrote: Commons is an oddball project. Other projects produce work

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
11:41:51 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not? On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Huib Laurens abi...@forgotten-beauty.comwrote: effe iets anders schreef: Hi Huib, yes, that seems to be an accurate description of the current situation. However, what

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Huib Laurens
Yaroslav M. Blanter schreef: 2 Commons is not ready to be a service project to replace local uploads, translations aren't good enough and there a not enough administrators to give enough service to all language projects. I am not sure what you mean. es.wp and (almost) de.wp only use

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I don't think the problem will be with the big projects, there are a lot of people who can speak the language.. The small wiki's are the most difficult and Commons isn't ready to handle them in a good way. It would be best if Commons had two admins for every language instead of none for some

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Actually, what Commons does is store media files. Whether it does that for other projects or not is the open question we're considering at present. You shouldn't define your premises to meet your conclusions if you want to participate in a constructive dialogue. Thanks, -Mike On Tue, 2009-06-16

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Huib Laurens
Yaroslav M. Blanter schreef: I don't think the problem will be with the big projects, there are a lot of people who can speak the language.. The small wiki's are the most difficult and Commons isn't ready to handle them in a good way. It would be best if Commons had two admins for every

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons: Service project or not?

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Peel
On 16 Jun 2009, at 18:56, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Commons is an oddball project. Other projects produce work, but Commons stores it. Wikisource could be considered another oddball for the same reason. At this point in time, I would class Commons as a service project (and wikisource as