[Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Zachte
Pending Revisions conveys that publication is deferred, but not for what reason. Based on only the name it leaves a new editor guessing: maybe there is a server delay and the matter will resolve itself in next twenty minutes? Double Check or Revision Review tells clearly there is human

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Michael Peel
On 24 May 2010, at 07:57, Erik Zachte wrote: Revision Review is my favorite. It seems more neutral, also less 'heavy' in connotations than Double Check. Also Review is clearly a term for a process, unlike Revisions. The downside is that 'Review' could be linked to an editorial review, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Indeed revision and review makes the impression that much more is done than actually is. (Revision = not only a check, but also alterations, it sounds to me.) I am afraid that is the problem with pretty much of all the expressions that have been put in forum. In German Wikipedia, our word

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread James Alexander
Aye I personally think edit is much simpler for people then revision which I think will confuse more people, especially English learners/2nd language (COI notice: Simple English Wikipedia). When I made the argument on the discussion page most people were against it because they felt people would

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/24/2010 01:41 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: In German Wikipedia, our word gesichtet is a little bit strange. Sichten is like spotting a rare animal in the wilderness. That's funny. Internally, especially in technical discussions, sighted gets used a fair bit. All this time I'd been

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/23/2010 07:56 PM, Alex wrote: I think that fits in nicely with James Alexander's view: we can and should assume that most editors have already checked their work. Not against the minutiae of our rules, but against their own intent, and their understanding of what constitutes an

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Well, what James Alexander says - maybe we can make up something of edit. Checked edit. Ziko 2010/5/24 William Pietri will...@scissor.com: On 05/24/2010 01:41 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: In German Wikipedia, our word gesichtet is a little bit strange. Sichten is like spotting a rare animal in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/23/2010 07:51 PM, David Levy wrote: William Pietri wrote: I think insiders will adjust to any name we choose, as some of our existing names attest. So I think as long as the name isn't hideous or actively misleading, then my main criterion is how it comes across to novices. For

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread David Levy
William Pietri wrote: Sorry if I was unclear. I was speaking about the naming issue. I think it's ok if our name for this generally assumes the happy case. I disagree. I think that it should be as clear as possible that this process exists to counter inappropriate edits, not as an Orwellian

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Michael Snow
David Levy wrote: William Pietri wrote: I know that these names have been worked over extensively by Jay and Moka, who have a lot of experience dealing with reporters and the general public. They were pretty happy with the two names that were part of the initial proposal from Rob, so I am

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Flagged Revisions is a MediaWiki extension that is used by many people on the English Wikipedia. Not everyone uses the English language user interface. Consequently when you decide to change them locally, all those people will not understand what is going on. Localisations are done at

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Aphaia
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:30 PM, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: On 22 May 2010 02:09, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: While that is true, making up names without any real thought is what has resulted in the mess we have now where most people have no idea what the differences

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: So I think it's fine if the name has a positive connotation. And that connotation should be we're countering inappropriate edits, not we assume that everything's okay, but we'll humor the concerns. Of course, I'm not

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/24/2010 07:34 AM, David Levy wrote: Rob has explicitly asked us to comment on these names and set up a forum in which to do so (and propose alternatives). You've vigorously defended the name drawing the most opposition and declined to comment on the name drawing the most support, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/24/2010 08:49 AM, Nathan wrote: Edit check, review gap, review delay, check delay, wait approval, content pause, review pause, second check, second approval, etc. There are lots of possible names for this feature. Sometimes I worry that the Foundation staff work for a company built upon

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread David Levy
Michael Snow wrote: You edited out the text William was replying to, but in expressing his trust that the public relations professionals have the greatest expertise as to how the general public will receive the terminology, he was responding directly to speculation about how the general

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/24/2010 08:31 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: We could use a name which expresses_nothing_ about what is going on, thus making it clear that you can't figure it out simply from the name. That did cross my mind, and it was tempting. But practically, many busy journalists, causal

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread William Pietri
On 05/24/2010 07:34 AM, David Levy wrote: I disagree. I think that it should be as clear as possible that this process exists to counter inappropriate edits, not as an Orwellian measure intended to be used indiscriminately throughout the encyclopedia (because we want to double check good

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.comwrote: That did cross my mind, and it was tempting. But practically, many busy journalists, causal readers, and novice editors may base a lot of their initial reaction on the name alone, or on related language in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.comwrote: That did cross my mind, and it was tempting. But practically, many busy journalists, causal readers, and novice editors may base a lot of their

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: casual reader, it might as well be called the Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch.  It will be a blank slate as far as journalists and the world at

[Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office Hours

2010-05-24 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi Everyone - Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 04:00-05:00 UTC, Wednesday, 26 May. Local timezones can be checked at http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010month=5day=26hour=04min=0sec=0p1=0 As always, you can access the chat by going to

[Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Zachte
I don't believe we should aim at a completely meaningless name out of concern that some people may not get the finer details of what we try to convey. If we make that a rule for all features yet to be named we will again have made our world a bit more impenetrable. Remember how our 100+

[Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Zachte
Earlier: If Mediawiki had been named Mediawiki Engine, and Wikimedia had been named Wikimedia Organization, part of the current confusion for outsiders would already have gone. They may not understand from the name what kind of engine, of what kind of organization, but they will have

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread phoebe ayers
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, As William alluded to, a bunch of us have been studying the user interface for Flagged Protections and figuring out how to make it more intuitive. Thanks for asking about the name -- though I suspect there's

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I support Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Ryan Kaldari joins Wikimedia

2010-05-24 Thread Tomasz Finc
Greetings, I'm very excited to welcome Ryan Kaldari to the Wikimedia Foundation as the Front End developer for fundraising. Ryan joins us from MTV Networks: Country Music Television, where he worked as a web developer responsible for several integration and architecture projects. Previous to

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Ryan Kaldari joins Wikimedia

2010-05-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Awesome. I've met Ryan, this is great to hear. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Greetings, I'm very excited to welcome Ryan Kaldari to the Wikimedia Foundation as the Front End developer for fundraising. Ryan joins us from MTV Networks: Country Music