[Foundation-l] LiquidThreads in Beta testing at labs.wikimedia.org

2009-10-02 Thread Andrew Garrett
p://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org [3] http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedback -- Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo

2009-10-06 Thread Andrew Garrett
ld of what you need without us handing you every revision ever deleted on English Wikipedia (which includes numerous revisions which are damaging to users' privacy). -- Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009-11-17 Thread Andrew Garrett
or the Wikimedia community, to supervise a child's internet access and/or usage, and certainly not to make arbitrary rules regarding said usage on the basis of a single culture's sensibilities on children and sexuality, especially sensibilities as baseless and harmful as this one.

Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits

2009-11-24 Thread Andrew Garrett
I strongly support. It will benefit us in the long run. The emphasis at present appears to be on presenting us as a place to go to learn and discover things. This is great, but it does not necessarily encourage contribution. -- Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us/ __

[Foundation-l] LiquidThreads almost ready for deployment

2009-12-16 Thread Andrew Garrett
zilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions&component=LiquidThreads&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED -- Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us ___ foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Andrew Garrett
7;s behalf. The community should be discussing editorial and administrative reasons for dealing with these images, not legal ones. -- Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us/ Sent from London, Eng, United Kingdom ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Andrew Garrett
don't all use gmail. And if you're relying on people's mail clients hiding the original text, why don't you just remove it so that it goes away for everyone? -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foun

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-08 Thread Andrew Garrett
tion made against those reversing his actions. This isn't an ideal situation. We should have a situation in which Jimmy's technical power derives from the authority of the board of trustees or from a community mandate, or we should have a situation in which Jimmy

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-08 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: >> This isn't an ideal situation. We should have a situation in which >> Jimmy's technical power derives from the authority of the board of >> trustees or

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

2010-05-08 Thread Andrew Garrett
dren to view on our website. That role is to be discharged solely by parents and supervisors of those children. The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the content, and allows humans or computers

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
could be implemented with parser functions and the page_props table in an afternoon, taking no more than a week to tweak and review. If you want this functionality, you should look at implementing it, or you should lobby the Foundation to support it with staff developer time. -

Re: [Foundation-l] drive-by site updates

2010-05-16 Thread Andrew Garrett
ing posts to check that your comments haven't been made already. If you simply enjoy writing unhelpful and toxic comments about other people's work, then I suggest you refrain from sending them, or send them to somebody else. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming "Flagged Protections"

2010-05-23 Thread Andrew Garrett
engineer be permitted to name anything. We should institute this as a rule in Wikimedia development in general. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread Andrew Garrett
, then the stated reason for removal would be in serious need of > urgent review. I won't speak for the Foundation, but my understanding is that sampled click-rates were measured on the live site, so it would have been a representative sample of our visitors. -- Andre

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-06 Thread Andrew Garrett
fair that the best response to what you perceive as a poor design choice in somebody else's code is not to revert them and say "There, I fixed it for you. Thank me later.", but perhaps to discuss it with them first and find a compromise. There's an imperative to listen and res

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-27 Thread Andrew Garrett
I don't know why you bothered putting him on moderation if you were just going to forward all of his emails to the list. Please, keep the discussion off this list, in order to prevent the disruption which you sought to limit by placing Jeffrey on moderation. -- Andrew Garrett http://wer

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-07-01 Thread Andrew Garrett
else" proposal. >> > > The bulk of the theft is contemporary works, not the works from 10 years > ago, but the works that were created last week. > > That aside if I invest a bunch of money in some stocks that gives me a > share in the profits of that companies

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: [Wiki-research-l] UPEI's proposal for a "universal citation index"

2010-07-23 Thread Andrew Garrett
a > corruption. Whatever syntax is used, we should absolutely not expect users to remember it and the unique identifier of the cited work. There should be a "Cite" button in the toolbar that will allow users to look up (with search suggestions) the correct work, request any further infor

Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Garrett
son. We can only hope that some day we all become just as sensitised to the clutter we put on the site ourselves ;-). -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Divehi and many others. That's very good feedback, thanks for letting me know. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
assume this is because I use English interface in all projects. There were checks for regular blocks, but none for global blocks. I figured (inaccurately as it turns out) that globally blocked accounts were unlikely to qualify. :-) -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.or

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009 ( 2011 ? ) & Bots

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
blocked and bot accounts were excluded, but I didn't globally exclude them. —Andrew -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
filter them for duplicates manually :-). -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
translators next time :-) -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009 ( 2011 ? ) & Bots

2011-06-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
ia. It's looking like global bots which aren't flagged everywhere are an edge case that should be addressed next time around. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email

2011-06-14 Thread Andrew Garrett
t? :-) http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SecurePoll#Email_spam -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Image filter referendum

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
nor for people who are globally blocked. You fall into one of these categories, and you received the email despite your ineligibility for this reason. My apologies for the confusion and inconvenience. —Andrew -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Referendum 2011 mailout — issues

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
a.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Email/False_positives [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubsc

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Referendum 2011 mailout — issues

2011-08-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
re, at least [1]. Sorry, that list doesn't accept regular expressions. It's a straight list of account names, which, until yesterday, had to go through about twenty minutes of preprocessing before it was useful. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew Garrett
rom (freely licensed, of course) hardcore pornography. Sure, there'd need to be some understanding of what's in and what's out of various categories, and it's not possible to make that completely objective. But that doesn't mean it's not a useful or worthwhile exercise.

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-08 Thread Andrew Garrett
I don't necessarily want to see without warning. Even if I'm looking up 'vagina' for whatever reason. It's about taking into account the visual preferences of readers (click to show images like that to avoid being surprised) while still recognising that

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-14 Thread Andrew Garrett
t meaningfully different article content for every country or point of view, then I think you'd be justified in bringing this up. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@l

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-14 Thread Andrew Garrett
an click on them and have them shown to me. Maybe you don't have any problems viewing any image whatsoever, but there are plenty of people for whom it's more than just a 'preference' based on some cultural norm that you don't agree with because you're modern and you tra

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-14 Thread Andrew Garrett
e fact that our motives and motives of those who > supported us lay in our suppressed unconscious part of mind; that it > shows how deep are our fears to face the real world. But, as we said, > we've learned the lesson and we'll try to face reality, no matter how > painfu

Re: [Foundation-l] CC by-sa upheld in Germany, over a Commons photo

2011-09-16 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Too bad Wikimedia TOS still labors under the misapprehension that the > licence doesn't mean what it says. Can you be specific, to make this into actionable feedback? -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Yes, but that is not proof of what we as a community understand the > principle to mean, it means the board is on crack. That's not a helpful contribution to this discussion. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Found

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
ative difference, and any nuanced perspective on this argument should have an understanding of this. In my opinion it's worth giving a simple way for people to avoid 90% of the things that they might be offended by. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org _

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
t quick wins. We can attack a large portion (that may or may not be exactly 90%) of the problem by offering readers the opportunity to hide a small number of categories that people commonly don't want to see. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org _

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > If I may be so  blunt. What part of non-negotiable don't people quite grasp? I'm not sure I understand. Could you tell me what you think is non-negotiable? -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:10 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Andrew Garrett wrote: >> My point is about quick wins. We can attack a large portion >> (that may or may not be exactly 90%) of the problem by offering >> readers the opportunity to hide a small number of categories th

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:16 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 19 October 2011 14:14, Andrew Garrett wrote: > >> Well, let's make sure that in any implementation of an image filter >> that does go ahead, we've thought through and addressed each of those >> consequ

Re: [Foundation-l] moderation soft limit

2011-10-21 Thread Andrew Garrett
change their minds. And, as I say, at this point, they've probably made their arguments as well as they can. I don't think many people are even reading the discussion any more. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ fo

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-23 Thread Andrew Garrett
the capacity to allow users to make nuanced decisions about what they do and don't want to see. Why is this a problem? -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.o

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-l word cloud

2010-10-04 Thread Andrew Garrett
, years and months to give a clue on activity in > different times; and text/plain vs. html given the frequent discussions > there are on this topic. :-p > > It's probably easier to strip them entirely before pushing them into the generator, rather than using them as stopword

Re: [Foundation-l] privacy and usability of user talk pages (inc. LiquidThreads)

2010-10-22 Thread Andrew Garrett
t; just checked and it seems it would stack ok with individuals' custom > editnotices for their talk page. Please no. We have more than enough annoying boxes on Wikipedia as it is. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Audited Financial Statements for 2009-10 Fiscal Year Now Available

2010-10-26 Thread Andrew Garrett
x27;s still over 500 return journeys from new > york to london. Assuming our staff sleep on sidewalks and beg for food when they travel. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Audited Financial Statements for 2009-10 Fiscal Year Now Available

2010-10-27 Thread Andrew Garrett
ivial fraction of the contributor >> community who only edit anonymously. > > Indeed. This is why we Wikimedians are awesome. The Foundation's audited financial statements are posted, and our main point of discussion is the accuracy of a tidbit of background information in the in

Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-02 Thread Andrew Garrett
; > I have wrote one a few years ago which might suit your needs. It is in > the maintenance directory and would need a shell access to run: > >    maintenance/userOptions.php --usage > > On my development Wiki the output is: > >   Usage for (default: '0'): >  

Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Ashar Voultoiz wrote: > On 02/11/10 15:03, Andrew Garrett wrote: > >> If you wrote it before I rewrote the preferences system in 2009, then >> it is out of date. > > Since it use the internal abstraction layer, I would expect it to still &g

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Andrew Garrett
on, is there any guarantee that it will be a valid one? Given the > vagueness of the mission statement, how much of a stretch is acceptable? Shockingly, making decisions like this does not necessarily involve reasoning, but judgement. Yes, the answers are not simple and logical — becaus

Re: [Foundation-l] Report from Day 1 of technical testing

2010-11-13 Thread Andrew Garrett
nd, if my suspicions are correct, it's not going to be the biggest day of the fundraiser, either. So congratulations, and keep up the good work! I and many others will be watching and hoping that you can make our launch day a Million Dollar Monday. -- A

Re: [Foundation-l] "Personal Appeals for individual editors" strikes the right chord

2010-12-05 Thread Andrew Garrett
tter. > I'm also a huge, huge fan of these new banners. When can we get them in Australia? :-) -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
ity to roll out their best work quickly, without going through the bureaucratic quagmire of requiring chapter approval for each special region. The rest of the world is missing out on the best that they can do. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
nny, but could you not? -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread Andrew Garrett
that card until fairly recently. We might be growing, but I don't think anybody in the industry would hesitate to say that we're still "small" and "running on a shoestring budget". The websites that we compete with run budgets in the hundreds of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution

2011-04-03 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Virgilio: > > Your userpage claims you speak American English at an en-4 "near-native > level". Want to try again? Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot. Cut it out, please. -

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
g-term established users who are harassed in the long term, rather than the newer users who don't get a chance to be harassed in the long term because they pick up and leave straight away. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-10 Thread Andrew Garrett
et you revert an edit in one click (and requests for adminship that count the number of times you do so) people are going to click the button instead of fixing templates. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

2011-04-15 Thread Andrew Garrett
nable, and legitimately useful for the job. I'd like to invoke the principle of charity and think that Wikimedia means the latter, but I can see why somebody might be interpreting it as the former, since the latter reads a bit more into the words. -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___