Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: The issue here is that, in the Catalan case for example, the effort is already beyond just a working group. You have a group of people who are more than mature to have their own organisation and make it succesful. What they lack is legitimity under

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-09 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 16:18, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: The issue here is that, in the Catalan case for example, the effort is already beyond just a working group. You have a group of people who are more than mature to have their

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: I think a formal Association of Catalan Wikimedians, recognised by the WMF as an affiliated organisation and with something quite similar to the chapters agreement would work well. Calling it a chapter will cause problems, since it overlaps with

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Anders Wennerstenanders.wenners...@bonetmail.com wrote: I also like this approach *On most informal level - a Working  Group, carefully organized under a Working Group Organizer who has a time-limited agreement/recognition letter with the Foundation *On

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Thomas de Souza Buckup
Ilario, you said: without an organization it's impossible to found a point of contact (for example there is no legal representatives). I understand your concern, but in reality, there are many ways to determine a point of contact without an organization. For instance, instead of legal

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/8 Thomas de Souza Buckup thomasdesouzabuc...@gmail.com: Ilario, you said: without an organization it's impossible to found a point of contact (for example there is no legal representatives). I understand your concern, but in reality, there are many ways to determine a point of

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 06:54, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote: case.) The basic question is, what can or should we do to encourage grassroots groups that want to support our mission, but may not fit into the chapters framework? As an answer to this question, I would say yes. My

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/8 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: I have researched a bit, while looking at the catalan case and my conclusion is that such interest groups might be able to fundraise where national chapters and the Foundation can't. It is impossible (and in any case not desirable) for Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know the details of the catalan case and I think it is probably quite different to the Welsh case As far as I know, you're right -- they are very different. :-) My understanding of the catalan case is that a

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/8 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: Exactly. One (the Welsh) is integrated into the geographic region of one chapter, the other (the Catalan) spreads across geographic regions taken care of by several chapters. On the case of the Welsh, I see no problem of having a Wikimedia Wales

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-07 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Thomas de Souza Buckupthomasdesouzabuc...@gmail.com wrote: *We are **a movement of autonomous volunteers: *   - *Instead of a legal entity, an open movement*   - *Instead of bylaws, a statement of principles*   - *Instead of legal representatives, task

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-07 Thread Nemo_bis
Thomas Dalton, 06/07/2009 16:58: In the UK there is a concept of an unincorporated association where the association (which can have full charitable status) isn't a legal entity in its own right and any agreements it makes are actually made with the Board of Trustees as a group of individuals

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
I agree that this is a discussion worth having. Chapters fulfil one very specific purpose (furthering the goals of the movement within a certain geographical area), there are all kinds of other useful things to do which need appropriate tools. Several people have talked about informal groups

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Mike.lifeguard
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 21:54 -0700, Michael Snow wrote: One example is interest groups that aren't tied to geography, the way the chapters are. I always cite the idea of an Association of Blind Wikipedians, who might wish to organize to promote work on accessibility issues. Actually, that

Re: [Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-06 Thread Thomas de Souza Buckup
Michael, thanks for starting this thread. I'll try to synthesize below some information about the development of the Brazilian chapter. I hope the list will find it useful. A group of volunteers spent more than one year discussing, writing, translating and approving the bylaws to create a legal

[Foundation-l] A chapters-related question

2009-07-05 Thread Michael Snow
Aside from the new chapters, right now the Board of Trustees is looking at what kinds of related groups we want to have relationships with. (What prompts this directly is the case of Wikimedia Brazil, which was approved to become a chapter last year, but whose organizers have since decided