2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
The issue here is that, in the Catalan case for example, the effort is
already beyond just a working group. You have a group of people who
are more than mature to have their own organisation and make it
succesful. What they lack is legitimity under
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 16:18, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
The issue here is that, in the Catalan case for example, the effort is
already beyond just a working group. You have a group of people who
are more than mature to have their
2009/7/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
I think a formal Association of Catalan Wikimedians, recognised by
the WMF as an affiliated organisation and with something quite
similar to the chapters agreement would work well. Calling it a
chapter will cause problems, since it overlaps with
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Anders
Wennerstenanders.wenners...@bonetmail.com wrote:
I also like this approach
*On most informal level - a Working Group, carefully organized under a
Working Group Organizer who has a time-limited agreement/recognition
letter with the Foundation
*On
Ilario,
you said:
without an organization it's impossible to found
a point of contact (for example there is no legal representatives).
I understand your concern, but in reality, there are many ways to determine
a point of contact without an organization. For instance, instead of
legal
2009/7/8 Thomas de Souza Buckup thomasdesouzabuc...@gmail.com:
Ilario,
you said:
without an organization it's impossible to found
a point of contact (for example there is no legal representatives).
I understand your concern, but in reality, there are many ways to determine
a point of
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 06:54, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
case.) The basic question is, what can or should we do to encourage
grassroots groups that want to support our mission, but may not fit into
the chapters framework?
As an answer to this question, I would say yes. My
2009/7/8 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
I have researched a bit, while looking at the catalan case and my
conclusion is that such interest groups might be able to fundraise
where national chapters and the Foundation can't. It is impossible
(and in any case not desirable) for Wikimedia
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know the details of the catalan case and I think it is
probably quite different to the Welsh case
As far as I know, you're right -- they are very different. :-) My
understanding of the catalan case is that a
2009/7/8 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
Exactly. One (the Welsh) is integrated into the geographic region of
one chapter, the other (the Catalan) spreads across geographic regions
taken care of by several chapters.
On the case of the Welsh, I see no problem of having a Wikimedia
Wales
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Thomas de Souza
Buckupthomasdesouzabuc...@gmail.com wrote:
*We are **a movement of autonomous volunteers:
*
- *Instead of a legal entity, an open movement*
- *Instead of bylaws, a statement of principles*
- *Instead of legal representatives, task
Thomas Dalton, 06/07/2009 16:58:
In the UK there is a concept of an unincorporated
association where the association (which can have full charitable
status) isn't a legal entity in its own right and any agreements it
makes are actually made with the Board of Trustees as a group of
individuals
I agree that this is a discussion worth having. Chapters fulfil one
very specific purpose (furthering the goals of the movement within a
certain geographical area), there are all kinds of other useful things
to do which need appropriate tools.
Several people have talked about informal groups
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 21:54 -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
One example is interest groups
that aren't tied to geography, the way the chapters are. I always cite
the idea of an Association of Blind Wikipedians, who might wish to
organize to promote work on accessibility issues.
Actually, that
Michael, thanks for starting this thread.
I'll try to synthesize below some information about the development of the
Brazilian chapter. I hope the list will find it useful.
A group of volunteers spent more than one year discussing, writing,
translating and approving the bylaws to create a legal
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