Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
Listening to Wikipedia Weekly (71) and reading the discussions on en.WP and nl.WP about implementation, it strucks me how inaccurate the discussions are. I do not know what is the reason for it, a poor presentation in the first place, a confusing terminology, hidden ideological motives... It is difficult to discuss something when people claim that it would take ages until an article is sighted, that people are prevented from creating articles, talk about the sighting of autoconfirmed people (has nothing to do with that). With my mentees in de.WP I never experienced that someone complained about the sighting process, the newbies took it as something normal and asked me friendly to do the sighting (often it was already done by someone else). Of course, if someone creates an article about a less interesting subject, it can take some days or even one, two weeks until sighting, but I don't see the tragic of that. Kind regards Ziko 2009/2/19 P. Birken pbir...@gmail.com Creation of new articles by IPs was never disabled on de-WP. However, the number of articles coming is has been steady for years now with about 1.500, of which around 1.000 are speedy deleted, so an overall net growth of slightly less than 500 per day. Otherwise, we are were indeed able to come down to a maximal waiting time of 5 days and will try to keep it there or even lower. Best, Philipp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ziko van Dijk NL-Silvolde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
So IPs can create articles on de? Yes, I think this is switched off on en: only. That's something I've wanted to see change for a long time. In which direction? Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: So IPs can create articles on de? Yes, I think this is switched off on en: only. That's something I've wanted to see change for a long time. In which direction? The direction of (once again) allowing anonymous page creation on English Wikipedia, I'm pretty sure he means. -Sage (User:Ragesoss) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.comragesoss%2bwikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: So IPs can create articles on de? Yes, I think this is switched off on en: only. That's something I've wanted to see change for a long time. In which direction? The direction of (once again) allowing anonymous page creation on English Wikipedia, I'm pretty sure he means. -Sage (User:Ragesoss) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I certainly hope that the flow is the other way. The amount of damage that IP editors and non auto-confirmed accounts are doing on en:WP definitely recommends against it. I was thinking about proposing that the move-article command (as well as replacing an article with a redirect), be disabled for IP addresses and non auto-confirmed accounts. David ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/16 David Yellope sirfoz...@gmail.com: I certainly hope that the flow is the other way. The amount of damage that IP editors and non auto-confirmed accounts are doing on en:WP definitely recommends against it. I was thinking about proposing that the move-article command (as well as replacing an article with a redirect), be disabled for IP addresses and non auto-confirmed accounts. I thought it was already, did it change? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l From what I'm seeing, at least the #redirect part needs to be disabled (See the constant attacks on en-WP, ANI board for examples). As for the other part of it I'm decently sure that unless move-protect is set on a page, that anyone can move it. David ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/16 David Yellope sirfoz...@gmail.com: As for the other part of it I'm decently sure that unless move-protect is set on a page, that anyone can move it. Oh, yeah, we have explicit semi-move-protection, so it must be possible normally. I'm sure it used to be restricted... probably several years ago now, though! No, IPs and new editors are still not allowed to move pages on enwiki. In effect, all pages are semi-move-protected (since you have to be autoconfirmed to even have the move option), which makes the semi-move-protection option entirely redundant. However, the requirements for being autoconfirmed are quite low so it doesn't stop much. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Revisions, Report on german WP
2009/2/15 P. Birken pbir...@gmail.com: On February, 4th, all articles of the german WP had at least one sighted revision. Since then, only pages newly created by noneditors have to be looked at. On average, around 1.000 pages were marked for the first time per day and these are now carried over to looking at edits that have to be flagged. This means that since February 4th, the number of pages with revisions awaiting review has dropped from almost 13.000 to 5.000 (see http://toolserver.org/~aka/cgi-bin/reviewcnt.cgi?lang=germanaction=imagesproject=dewiki last picture). More importantly, the maximal waiting time for edits to be reviewed has dropped from 16 days to less than 7 now, which means that finally, we are now in an acceptable regime. The goal is, to reduce this time until tuesday to 5 days (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gesichtete_Versionen/Nachsichtung). The median waiting time for edits until review is still within hours. This is fantastic news! Congratulations to the German Wikipedia. Hopefully this will allay some of the fears of English Wikipedians. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
