Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
Here's something IBM's Rob Weir said about what ECMA is doing now: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The practical difficulty here is that of timing. While I have no doubt that Jody was instrumental in getting additional technical disclosures from Microsoft back in 2006, Ecma TC45 is not in that mo

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not. To pretend otherwise is to deny that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. Please don't be defeatist! We can and should try to make free software read OOXML, because that will be a useful feature -- but that doesn'

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
> Microsoft's goal is, by one means or another, to defeat free software > which it now considers a serious threat. Whatever they do, it will not > be a sincere standardization effort that offers no obstacle to free > software implementions. This is just your opinion, Richard.

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Andy Tai
OOXML will be a de facto standard entirely due to Microsoft's dominant position in the computing industry... the fight is about preventing it to be a formal standard. We cannot prevent the former. We can prevent the later. A more activist opposition to OOXML is called for. Option 3 is useful on

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Competing is a good thing, and in my opinion it's good that Microsoft > competes with us. This keeps us sharp and focused. If you were sharp and focussed nobody would have joined anything in a way Microsoft could twist. > > Competition has never been a bad thing for mankind. In fact has it been

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 10/31/07, Andy Tai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not quiet... you don't join ECMA TC45 to prevent OOXML from becoming a > standard. OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not. To pretend otherwise is to deny that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. So our options ca

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Andy Tai
Not quiet... you don't join ECMA TC45 to prevent OOXML from becoming a standard. On 10/31/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 10:19 +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > > I think that The GNOME participating in OOXML lends it a credibility > > it does not deserv

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 19:58 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Are you seriously suggesting that it's in the best interests of our > users, of GNUmeric users and Abiword users, not to be able to open OOXML > files? I disagree with your statement that most in the community want > the stan