Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi! First of all, thanks a millions to Behdad and Elijah for taking up this task and congrats for managing to accomplish it so effectively. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Karl Lattimer k...@qdh.org.uk wrote: I'd

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: That isn't a contest. It is a survey. Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need to get defensive. http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png It seems to me that a lot of

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: That isn't a contest. It is a survey. Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need to get defensive. It is not defensive. I

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 08:10:21AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: This is pretty decent analysis going on here :) I'd like to remind people of John Carr's recent blog post too, someone mentioned in the survey results actually. JC has been working on bzr with git protocol support, which

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, John Carr john.c...@unrouted.co.uk wrote: I'm not a complete idiot - if it was going to be a degraded, bastardized form of Git I wouldn't waste my time on it. I suppose I might be an evil genius stalling for Bazaar DS9 to be written (sorry for the very bad joke

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Karl Lattimer
Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also includes the survey questions and answers. Find it at: http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/ This is pretty decent analysis going on here :) I'd like to remind people of John Carr's

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2009-01-04 klockan 15:10 skrev Jason D. Clinton: I'd like to point out that--of the 15 people who regularly use git and bzr--git still won. Two remarks. First remark: In the survey I answered that I do not really know much about git, and that I do not use it often. This has a reason, which I

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move forward. So i dont consider it

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zee...@gmail.com wrote: How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be able to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any talk of my idea is not Git vs

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi! On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be, in my

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be able to gather at least 10

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote: bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? Yes, it does. This is not an issue. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote: Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of gnome.

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Clasen schrieb: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation will support you, and support

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Ali Sabil
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:05 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format changed and it didn't

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:20 +0100, Ali Sabil wrote: First, it only makes it much harder for users to grasp; we're going to end up with some projects have l.g.o pages / README files / mailing list messages saying use bzr to check out this branch and

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's crazy to officially want to support git, bzr and hg *at* the same time *from* the same

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that the points I made

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Ali Sabil
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's crazy to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: To be honest, I really wonder if something else would happen that I'd qualify as a good switch. How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of gnome. I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a terrible idea? You expect me to reply to this??!? I expected you to reply to the other three mails

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 12:04:30AM +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of gnome. I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:30PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a terrible idea? You expect me to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 Thread David Zeuthen
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's personal and like I'm assaulting you. Because I didn't. And I resent the