Managing the community... or the community manages?
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote:
I'm looking for some charismatic, happy GNOME folks who can help engage
with our community.
We've had a bad run of late with a lot of folks getting the wrong idea
On 14 November 2012 10:03, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
While I don't quite like the title community managers, I appreciate the
role and the sentiment.
I agree as well, as a developer I often have desired that someone would
coordinate efforts to make our community a better place to
I don't really have a clear answer for an all-encompassing vision and
roadmap, but I may offer my blog post from this summer as a starting
point:
http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2012/08/05/staring-into-the-axis-abyss-the-railgun-map/
It tries to frame things from an ecosystem standpoint and the
Sriram Ramkrishna sri at ramkrishna.me writes:
There was nothing more damaging than Company's post which is still quoted
even today. Benjamin even today said that nobody refuted his staring at the
Abyss post. So his Benjamin's post true? Because people are still talking
about it and
What has changed since the initial GNOME 3 release and now ?
The software rendering in Mesa improved dramatically and also has some
limited ability to use GEM to optimise data paths on certain cards.
Is gnome-shell now optimized and usable on said, older hardware ?
Some of the problem
Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
...
Community enthusiasts won't go out there using the 'royal we' without some
training. This stuff isn't easy, and it is important that our volunteers
understand how to engage in both the GNOME community and the community at
large. They will need
Hi Tristan,
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, à 16:56 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom a écrit :
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
The wrong idea of course is that people think we're just removing features
for no apparent reason even though for instance fallback
The overarching aspiration behind GNOME 3, in my opinion, is to create
a free user experience that is fit for the contemporary world. That
means addressing the changing needs of users, as well as changes in
hardware. It also means doing better than what we did before: UX
design has got a lot
Good points Brian :)
I like the last part this advanced UNIX-hacker type does not seem to
be the primary user GNOME is focusing on anymore.
May I ask you however to try to reply to each question with one
sentence if possible so I can create a small overview able chart
later?
Cheers
Seif
On Thu,
Seif:
On 11/15/12 03:31 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote:
Good points Brian :)
I like the last part this advanced UNIX-hacker type does not seem to
be the primary user GNOME is focusing on anymore.
For better or worse, I would say that most Solaris GNOME users probably
fall either in the advanced
T , 2012.11.14. 17:10 +0100, Seif Lotfy rakstīja:
Quoting Stormy Peters comment on a recent blog post concerning GNOME:
We haven’t shared our vision or our roadmap for the future. Where’s
the product going? What problem are we trying to solve? How are we
going to do that?
I think we are in
T , 2012.11.14. 22:37 -0600, Brian Cameron rakstīja:
Seif:
On 11/15/12 03:31 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote:
Good points Brian :)
I like the last part this advanced UNIX-hacker type does not seem to
be the primary user GNOME is focusing on anymore.
For better or worse, I would say that most
Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote:
...
For better or worse, I would say that most Solaris GNOME users probably
fall either in the advanced UNIX-hacker category, or the type of user
who uses a Solaris GNOME desktop in a very focused or controlled
environment such as a kiosk or call
2012/11/15 Benjamin Otte o...@gnome.org
The general response I got to that post was either no response at all,
talking
behind my back about what what a bad person I am (at least that's what
others
told me) or - and this was the most concerning response for me - You
shouldn't
say things
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
If you've got a fast CPU and reasonable but unusupported graphics
hardware then it's usable but not great.
No idea what Gnome 3 is like on a Raspberry Pi which would be the most
useful other guide as its got fairly
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 18:26 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote:
this advanced
UNIX-hacker type does not seem to be the primary user GNOME is focusing
on anymore.
An open source environment needs to attract four main types of people if
it's going to remain viable -
1. programmers, to work on it
2.
First up, I know my post is likely out of order, but I'm not sure how
to correct that... I'm reading and replying to the first post by Seif
in the archive... Anyhow..
So Seif's three questions were/are:
[1] Where’s the product going?
[2] What problem are we trying to solve?
[3] How are we going
Peteris Krisjanis pecisk at gmail.com writes:
I think we are in same business as Apple - we are trying to offer
unified user experience. Difference between us and Apple though is that
(in my opinion) most of us strongly believe that openness/freedom and
consistent user experience (trough user
Actually a non-negligible number of desktops as I understand running
gnome based desktops just don't have the graphics hardware
needed to run the shell
Even worse, most of the machines that CAN run it
need nonfree software to run it -- which means that we
should urge people not to buy
Em Wed, 2012-11-14 às 11:08 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna escreveu:
The wrong idea of course is that people think we're just removing
features for no apparent reason even though for instance fallback mode
was never guarantee. We need to correct those misconceptions.
Having a good relationship
Hi Karen,
I think these are good suggestions. But I think it would be a mistake to
leave this critical responsibility to a committee of volunteers. One of the
many challenges we face is that our voice and message have been too
inconsistent - too infrequently heard. Heard too late. Lacking
What you say is not a vision. That's a what, not a why. Also, are we in
the same business as Apple? Apple is in the business of challenging the
status quo and thinking differently. ($:04 in the video) Are we?
WHY are we doing GNOME?
We are in the business of challenging the status quo in free
Well, have come you forget Radeon free driver, who supports impressive
number of cards which work without a glitch with GNOME Shell, Unity and
similar software :)
In fact, most of the machines than can run has
a) Either Intel graphics - works perfectly
b) ATI/AMD Radeon - most of them are
On 15 nov. 2012, at 22:19, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote:
d) and finally, all of these machines *can* run GNOME desktop trough software
rendering using LLVM, altough is not as snappy as it can be, it's really
works.
which prevents from running gnome on things like raspberry pi
On Thu, November 15, 2012 2:39 pm, William Jon McCann wrote:
Hi Karen,
I think these are good suggestions. But I think it would be a mistake to
leave this critical responsibility to a committee of volunteers. One of
the
many challenges we face is that our voice and message have been too
I am loving the replies until now. But can we try to keep this
focused. Can we try to answer the three questions with three short
answers.
[1] Where’s the product going?
[2] What problem are we trying to solve?
[3] How are we going to do that?
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Debarshi Ray
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:56 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
The wrong idea of course is that people think we're just removing features
for no apparent reason even though for instance fallback mode was never
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 08:40 -0500, Chris Leonard wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
If you've got a fast CPU and reasonable but unusupported graphics
hardware then it's usable but not great.
No idea what Gnome 3 is like on a Raspberry Pi
WHY are we doing GNOME?
The reason we started GNOME is to make it possible to have a graphical
desktop without nonfree software. KDE existed, but had a fatal flaw:
it depended on Qt which at the time was nonfree.
Who are we selling it to?
The question is important but the word selling
Allan:
On 11/15/12 06:46 AM, Allan Day wrote:
Brian Cameronbrian.came...@oracle.com wrote:
But I think the GNOME community has been
conscious that platforms like Solaris were being left behind as
decisions were being made.
That really depends on how you define the needs of the advanced
Peteris:
On 11/15/12 06:36 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
T , 2012.11.14. 22:37 -0600, Brian Cameron rakstīja:
On 11/15/12 03:31 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote:
But is there any strong reasons why Oracle won't chime in and support
further development of GNOME Panel (let's call it GNOME Classic - that
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:39 AM, William Jon McCann
william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Karen,
I think these are good suggestions. But I think it would be a mistake to
leave this critical responsibility to a committee of volunteers. One of the
many challenges we face is that our voice
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