Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-26 Thread Bill Haneman
Alan Horkan wrote:... I would think a smaller board would require *more* delegation and given the nature of the beast the idea of breaking down tasks into smaller parts and trying to get other to help out more seems to makes a lot of sense. It may 'require' it[1], but it does not ensure it.

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-26 Thread Vincent Untz
(I didn't have time to read this thread before, sorry for coming a bit late ;-)) On Mon, October 24, 2005 13:50, Luciana Bastos de Freitas Menezes wrote: I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the number of our

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-26 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, On Mon, October 24, 2005 21:09, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: I agree with you, the referendum was created to decide if we want less members, but may be there are some opinions to get more members on the board, and that's not bad, because we can vote. On the other hand having more

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-26 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi Daniel, On Tue, October 25, 2005 15:14, Daniel Veillard wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With less members they will be forced to step down. That is my intention. After each year I

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-26 Thread Luis Villa
On 10/26/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that they don't have enough chances because a lof of members vote during elections as if it were a popularity contest. And they probably do this because they don't see what actions the board is doing or should do, and who would be good

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-25 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 09:45 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: [...] many of us notice that the large size of the group causes irrelevant distraction, even when urgent decisions are necessary. That happens even with the best people. I find it happens with teleconference consisting of only two or

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-25 Thread Fernando San Martín Woerner
El mar, 25-10-2005 a las 16:48 +0100, Bill Haneman escribió: I agree with Liam. His observations match my interpretation of my experiences on the Board. In the Members meeting in stuttgart we've disscused this kind of topics, i agree that board need leadership, and as Liam and Bill say

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-25 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Actually, no you can't. Perhaps there are those who know how much each board member has done but quite honestly, I have no clue. And short of manually pinging all of them and trying to extract the information from them not only about themselves but the others on the board

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-25 Thread Tim Ney, GNOME Foundation
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:39 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: I still think the problems being reported are nothing to do with the size of the group but to do with lack of clear process and with poor delegation. These are not easy to fix, but I don't think changing the group size will help. On

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-25 Thread Alan Horkan
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Bill Haneman wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:48:22 +0100 From: Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Liam R E Quin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: foundation-list@gnome.org, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members I agree

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-24 Thread Ross Golder
On จ., 2005-10-24 at 14:26 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 10/24/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox