Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:37:41PM -0500, Karen Sandler wrote: Moreover, it's probably more polite to make requests about changes to moderation policy off-list to the admins, I'm set as one of the listadmins for this mailing list. Suggest at minimum the following: * decide what is on topic and

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 07:42 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Finally, I'd really like to know what contributions he made to GNOME that would make him eligible to become a Foundation member. I cannot find any. I asked the very same question on #foundation IRC yesterday. One theory that came up was

Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership

Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Jeremy Allison
Yes. This seems to have gone beyond the realm of reasonableness and into a personal attack on another Foundation member. Please don't do this. I am only on this list due to the benefit of sitting on top of Google's pile of money, some of which we contribute to Gnome. I am too busy with my own

Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Alberto Ruiz
For what is worth, I don't support the idea of getting Richard out of the GNOME Foundation, nor the way that this idea is being discussed and nor the suggestion of moderating his posts by default. I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - François-Marie

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Before the holidays I kept receiving e-mails from him asking me to call it GNU/Linux, and then to embrace the FSF when I explained that his repeated mails harmed his message and that I would be more likely to *not* say GNU/Linux because of his actions. You said that you

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Awaiting now the potential GMail was mentioned, Google is bad! reply. You seem to be attacking me for things you imagine I might say. At least it makes your bias clear. And since you just raised the issue of GMail, shouldn't you have changed the Subject field? Remember, the thread you're

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Ok everyone. Now that both sides had a chance to attack each other and defend themselves, and as Richard constructively agreed to try to remember to change subject lines in the future, can we please put an end to this and neighboring threads? I mean, don't you all have code to write? Cheers,

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Alex Launi
Yeah, we should definitely have policy in place to keep some voices quieter than others. An absolute must. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: Ok everyone. Now that both sides had a chance to attack each other and defend themselves, and as Richard

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Chris Leonard
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: Ok everyone. Now that both sides had a chance to attack each other and defend themselves, and as Richard constructively agreed to try to remember to change subject lines in the future, can we please put an end to this

Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
Bradley, No, this is not standard procedure. This should have been a private matter and not something that should have been brought out in public. Regardless of who it is, this should have been communicated privately with the list owner. Stormy has done something similar in keeping things in

Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, à 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn a écrit : Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein

Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

2013-01-10 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good standing? My question was a rhetorical one. ___

Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread Andrew Cowie
Would it be possible to set the moderation bit for Richard Stallman's posts to GNOME lists? As Stormy pointed out, every time there's a conversation about anything he jumps in and swerves off thread. This has been going on for a very long time. People in the GNOME Foundation are the last people

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread Tobias Mueller
Heya, On 09.01.2013 23:15, Andrew Cowie wrote: Would it be possible to set the moderation bit for Richard Stallman's posts to GNOME lists? sure it would be. The list is managed by mailman and it has that feature. As Stormy pointed out, every time there's a conversation about anything he

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread Karen Sandler
On Wed, January 9, 2013 5:28 pm, Tobias Mueller wrote: Heya, On 09.01.2013 23:15, Andrew Cowie wrote: Would it be possible to set the moderation bit for Richard Stallman's posts to GNOME lists? sure it would be. The list is managed by mailman and it has that feature. As Stormy pointed out,

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm amazed by the concept of hijacking topics. I did not realize that a topic was so valuable. I said we should react to spyware _as we would_ to a crime. You called my messages violent theft. Spyware is more grave than posting a message, but your criticism is stronger than mine. My alleged

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread meg ford
Hi, On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Is there some practical reason why the Subject field makes a big difference to you? Does it affect your mail reader's behavior substantially? If changing the subject field helps people, I will try to remember to do

Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-09 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hey, On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 18:37 -0500, Karen Sandler wrote: On Wed, January 9, 2013 5:28 pm, Tobias Mueller wrote: Heya, On 09.01.2013 23:15, Andrew Cowie wrote: Would it be possible to set the moderation bit for Richard Stallman's posts to GNOME lists? sure it would be. The list is