Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 14-12-2009 00:26, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Respect is earned, not due. You haven't behaved in a way that deserves my respect. Both of you: The Code of Conduct is in affect for the mailing lists, so stick to it. That's even more important when you discuss about a Code for the Planet... Regards, Johannes signature.asc

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote: GNOME, both as a community and as a foundation, should teach the good examples and critic the bad ones. GNOME should stick to teaching the good examples. Criticizing the bad ones is only counter productive.

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is not free choice for a slave. It only looks like free choice to other

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Putting aside, for a minute, the interpretations, elaborations and rewordings, it's funny how similar the actual suggestions are: Lefty says: if any instances of promotion of non-free software should actually occur, they can be dealt with when they do, on a case-by-case basis. That's a rule

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 7:24 AM, Ciaran O'Riordan cia...@member.fsf.org wrote: That's a rule (a policy), which is mild and doesn't involve jumping straight to blocking a whole blog. And it was suggested in heated opposition to this comment: No, Ciaran: you've removed the entire surrounding context, and

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 8:49 AM, Ciaran O'Riordan cia...@member.fsf.org wrote: Yes. You said that no one's yet demonstrated a problem, and you gave a solution for if the problem was demonstrated. You're solution was 100% compatible with Richard's solution. Except that we now seem to have had the

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 11-12-2009 18:20, Brian Cameron escreveu: If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Philip Van Hoof
(I'm replying the two of you at the same time in an attempt at reducing the thread's size) On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:20:50 -0600 Brian Cameron wrote: Richard's suggestion that a mild approach may be appropriate does not seem over-the-top to me. Perhaps a mild approach could be something simple

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Brian Cameron
Philip: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:20:50 -0600 Brian Cameron wrote: Richard's suggestion that a mild approach may be appropriate does not seem over-the-top to me. Perhaps a mild approach could be something simple like a disclaimer on planet... I don't think Richard is suggesting that as mild

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 12-12-2009 11:31, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 09:51 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I have a personal blog and when I asked planet.openmoko.org to add my posts, I gave them the RSS feed corresponding to posts under the tag OpenMoko. Perhaps it would be a simpler

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could be interpreted that way, I think. We can