Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, On 3 Mar 2010, at 09:09, Dave Neary wrote: Proposed short-to-mid-term goal: Make the GNOME platform exciting to alpha-dog application developers thought leaders. We probably could have had MeeGo be GNOME Mobile, but our project wasn't the obvious place to go, because we don't seem to

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Jud Craft
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Andrew Savory wrote: Focusing in on one area that I can talk about: Qt is perceived by some to be stronger from a business perspective due to the 'more complete' offering: extensive documentation and an SDK. Perhaps more focus on and promotion of GNOME's

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Steve Lee
On 3 March 2010 22:49, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Sugar is a good thing, but it is a different interface -- is it connected with GNOME? Brian Cameron rather neatly explained the technical relationship as 'they use the lower parts of the stack'. Steve Lee OSS Watch

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:46 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Andrew Savory wrote: Focusing in on one area that I can talk about: Qt is perceived by some to be stronger from a business perspective due to the 'more complete' offering: extensive documentation and an SDK.

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Jud Craft wrote: In other words, I think I have to be an alpha-dog developer, and nothing I've seen convinced me otherwise... There's some confusion about what I meant by alpha dog developer which I caused, obviously, so I should clear it up. To make your platform successful as a

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Richard Stallman
The combination of technologies going under the name HTML 5 have made/are making web technology based applications finally competitive with those built using conventional toolkits such as Qt, GTK+, and the Windows and Mac equivalents. If everything gets done inside or through

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
2010/3/4 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com: c) Think about developing our own free web alternatives like identi.ca did. I'd especially like to see an open alternative to Dropbox/Ubuntu One. But there are lots and lots of web apps that people use regularly that could use alternatives.

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Stormy Peters
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.netwrote: Technically, there is: iFolder. It has struggled quite a bit, but it's still completely open and just waiting for someone to Do The Right Thing and get it fixed up a bit and offer a service. The biggest problem

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 3/4/10 5:46 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: If everything gets done inside or through your browser, it would make toolkits such as GTK and desktop environments such as GNOME obsolete, except as platforms for a browser. And if everything gets done on your desktop, it would make

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: GNOME is going to host Snowy. If that works out well, I think we should look at how we could provide hosting to other free and open web services. (It would have to include a plan for raising money for hosting. There

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 3/4/10 7:22 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: Somewhere in there should be a self-sustaining model to raise money for the hosting and GNOME, and provide Free as in Freedom services for users in the bargain... It's a nice idea, but I don't see any self-sustaining model

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Gian Mario Tagliaretti
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org wrote: But, just so I'm sure I'm clear here, Mr. Stallman, it's my understanding that you don't even actually _use_ the web, in any realistic sense, relying instead on some congerie of email and a back-end rendering server to view

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi all! Looking at Anjuta, I have no idea if it's a great resource to start GTK programming with or not. You say yourself presumably, and that's the greatest nail in the coffin - you're obviously involved in GNOME development and you have *no* idea, you're barely familiar with it either.

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 3/4/10 9:07 AM, Gian Mario Tagliaretti gia...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org wrote: But, just so I'm sure I'm clear here, Mr. Stallman, it's my understanding that you don't even actually _use_ the web, in any realistic sense, relying

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Gian Mario Tagliaretti
2010/3/4 Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org: Now that the blood have drained from the brain cells, Okay, just for the record, that would be an unmotivated public personal attack here. In case anyone's keeping score. Please note that I haven't called anyone names. You are right, please accept my

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Stone Mirror
On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Gian Mario Tagliaretti gia...@gnome.org wrote: 2010/3/4 Lefty (石鏡 ) le...@shugendo.org: Now that the blood have drained from the brain cells, Okay, just for the record, that would be an unmotivated public personal attack here. In case anyone's keeping score.

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 04:35 -0600, Andrew Savory wrote: Hey Andrew, Focussing in on one area that I can talk about: Qt is perceived by some to be stronger from a business perspective due to the 'more complete' offering: extensive documentation and an SDK. Perhaps more focus on and

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote:    It seems to me there's a continuing need to 1) raise awareness about    GNOME, 2) raise money for GNOME, and 3) provide services around open    tools so users don't need to host their own servers, etc., to benefit    from

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 17:45 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: On 3/4/10 3:00 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Let's not be in a rush to invite users to use servers -- even our own -- instead of their own computers. That is the wrong direction to go. [...] I doubt that as many as 10% of

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-04 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 3/4/10 6:08 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 17:45 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: In any case, I'm under the impression that a search warrant or similar order is generally required in the US to get information regardless of whether it's from a hosted service or