Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Alan Horkan
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:09:57 +0300 > From: Yavor Doganov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: foundation-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU" > > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > Could you provide references to the use of "Linu

Re: A matter of intent [Was: Re: Code of Conduct final draft?]

2006-08-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:07:14PM -0400, Dominic Lachowicz wrote: > You have said that the CoC "isn't and wasn't 'rules'" and claimed to > have added this point to the Wiki page on June 2nd.[1] I don't think > that your June 2nd change [2] actually says that "this isn't and > wasn't rules", and wh

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Alan Cox
Ar Sad, 2006-08-05 am 00:00 +0300, ysgrifennodd Yavor Doganov: > However, I'm not really familiar with Trademark Law, but if this is a > really a problem, I suggest to call the system "GNU". I'm using all > GNU variants so I call the system "GNU" in 99.99% of the cases, > when I refer to somet

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
Olav Vitters wrote: > > FWIW, I did see 2 requests to rename 'Linux' on bugzilla.gnome.org > to GNU/Linux. My official position is 'people use that field?!?' > (except crazy GIMP developers; which is the only reason you can > still see the field). If that needs changing, do it upstream. I do > not

[OT] Mailing list archives

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
Olav Vitters wrote: > > I thought all archive problems had been fixed by now? What problems did > you see? Some of the messages weren't available. I'm reading most of the lists as newsgroups, so when I can read my posted message in my newsreader but it gives "404" on the archive then something i

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 11:19:04PM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for > action/decision regarding this matter. > > There are some strings in some GNOME programs and very few in the > GNOME documentaion that refer to the operating system as "Linux"

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 12:53:56AM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Shaun McCance wrote: > > > > For those curious, many of this was discussed in the thread on > > gnome-doc-list, starting here: > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html > > That's right; I gave a

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
Shaun McCance wrote: > > For those curious, many of this was discussed in the thread on > gnome-doc-list, starting here: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html That's right; I gave a link to the same discussion through Gmane since the official archive was partl

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 23:19 +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for > action/decision regarding this matter. > > There are some strings in some GNOME programs and very few in the > GNOME documentaion that refer to the operating system as "Linux". We >

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 00:09 +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > Could you provide references to the use of "Linux" and "GNU/Linux" in the > > > GNOME documentation? > > I was not examining documentation, but the GDP folks said such > examples are extremely rare, and I beleiv

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > Could you provide references to the use of "Linux" and "GNU/Linux" in the > > GNOME documentation? I was not examining documentation, but the GDP folks said such examples are extremely rare, and I beleive so. I was refering to the strings in applications, and I posted an

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
Alan Cox wrote: > > For the benefit of that meeting I'd like to note to the board that > Linux is the name of the operating system kernel and is a > trademark. If you wish to use the term GNU/Linux then you should > seek the permission of the Linux trademark holder. I think this is the second tim

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Could you provide references to the use of "Linux" and "GNU/Linux" in the > GNOME documentation? viewcvs links are fine. I should have clarified - just pertinent examples, this doesn't have to be exhaustive. :-) (Sorry for the reply-replies.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > > > This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision > > regarding this matter. > > Thanks Yavor, we will discuss it at our next board meeting. Yavor, Could you provide references to the use of "Linux" and "GNU/Linux" in the GNOME documentation? viewcvs links are f

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Alan Cox
Ar Gwe, 2006-08-04 am 23:19 +0300, ysgrifennodd Yavor Doganov: > This issue was first brought at GTP; I was substituting "Linux" with > "GNU/Linux" in my translations and our team leader asked for a general > solution on the -i18n list. Christian Rose, one of the GTP For the benefit of that meeti

Re: Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision > regarding this matter. Thanks Yavor, we will discuss it at our next board meeting. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Web development with PHP is like inje

Substituting "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" or "GNU"

2006-08-04 Thread Yavor Doganov
This is a request to the the GNOME Foundation Board for action/decision regarding this matter. There are some strings in some GNOME programs and very few in the GNOME documentaion that refer to the operating system as "Linux". We would like the Board to vote and decide for a policy to substitute

Re: GNOME nominated for the Mellon Awards for Technology Collaboration

2006-08-04 Thread Calum Benson
On 4 Aug 2006, at 16:49, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > > GNOME was the first such project to make a concerted effort in the > areas of usability, accessibility, and internationalization. > Usability means that we keep people in mind when designing our > software. Accessibility means that physi

Re: Who should get a Sun Ultra machine?

2006-08-04 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 14:54 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > Now the Board would like to ask the Foundation members: who should get > the other machine? Do you have a favorite hacker whom you would like to > thank with a ridiculously powerful x86-64 workstation? Thanks to everyone who sen

Minutes of the Board meeting, 2006/Aug/02

2006-08-04 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
Hot minutes straight out of the oven! GNOME Foundation Board Meeting, 2006/Aug/02 === Attendance: Anne Dave (chairing) Federico (minutes) Jeff Zana No attendance: Jonathan (regrets) Quim (regrets) Vincent (regrets) AGENDA == * Trademark applicatio

Re: A matter of intent [Was: Re: Code of Conduct final draft?]

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> To me, it sounds like at least some important people would like the CoC to > be a set of enforcable rules, or at least would be open to discussing > whether they should be. This would violate earlier claims to the contrary > [1] and clearly expresses the sentiment that some folks would like to

A matter of intent [Was: Re: Code of Conduct final draft?]

2006-08-04 Thread Dominic Lachowicz
On 8/4/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Doing the process of updating the charter would be a failure? I don't see > > why, this process could be healthy for the community, and the result would > > be stronger and more sounded. In the meantime the list of recommendations > > could

GNOME nominated for the Mellon Awards for Technology Collaboration

2006-08-04 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
Dear Foundation members, I'm pleased to inform you that the Board has nominated GNOME for the Mellon Awards for Technology Collaboration: http://rit.mellon.org/awards The submission looks as follows: The GNOME Foundation would like to nominate the GNOME Project for participation in t

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Jeff Waugh wrote: > >> Doing the process of updating the charter would be a failure? I don't see >> why, this process could be healthy for the community, and the result would >> be stronger and more sounded. In the meantime the list of recommendations >> could be discussed, tested, improved,

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Doing the process of updating the charter would be a failure? I don't see > why, this process could be healthy for the community, and the result would > be stronger and more sounded. In the meantime the list of recommendations > could be discussed, tested, improved, applied (it was being applie

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Quim Gil
El dv 04 de 08 del 2006 a les 22:11 +1000, en/na Jeff Waugh va escriure: > Hold on... You're suggesting that instead of creating a document with this > content, we should update another document with this content. Not "with this content" i.e. adding an extra chapter, but making sure the principle

Re: Content and Intent [Was: Code of Conduct final draft?]

2006-08-04 Thread Quim Gil
El dv 04 de 08 del 2006 a les 08:49 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va escriure: > > * be firm, but lighthearted - I didn't suggest "Be Excellent To Each > > Other" > > Yes. My only objection to that phrase (which I tried in the draft before > people complained about it) is that it's a cultural refe

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Jeff Waugh
> These documents reflect already the content and intent of the GNOME > Foundation. They don't need any extra blessing or acceptance, what is in > there is a right, a duty and a guidance for all of us. If they need > updating let's update them. If they need advertisement let's advertise > them.

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Murray Cumming
[snip] > The charter contains > already "a set of principles that we, the GNOME community, believe in > and strive to abide by". The by-laws contains already a benchmark > to look to for the board and the rest of bodies officially involved in > the GNOME project. > > These documents reflect already

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-04 Thread Quim Gil
El dv 04 de 08 del 2006 a les 00:44 +0100, en/na Alan Cox va escriure: > Ar Gwe, 2006-08-04 am 00:43 +0200, ysgrifennodd Quim Gil: > > - In a worst case scenario, do we expect the GNOME Foundation board to > > arbitrate if someone violates the or do we > > think that one thing is not related to th