Re: GNOME Foundation in-confidence issues

2007-04-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 4/13/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm saying that I believe the secrecy is clearly and *obviously* warranted > in these cases, simply due to the nature of the examples. We can't give you > sensitive employment information "after the fact" so you can determine > whether it shoul

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Probably very little difference. I would have contributed my time in much > the same way, with the Board as a conduit (one of its most important roles), > and myself as an external contributor rather than an internal contributor. Oh, and I should mention: This would work in much the same way t

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and > > they've been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so > > months. I am satisfied that it has been consultative (with a particular > > subset

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Andrew Sobala
Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > >> I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and they've >> been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so months. I >> am satisfied that it has been consultative (wit

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
El sáb, 14-04-2007 a las 04:12 +1000, Jeff Waugh escribió: > I am particularly sensitive to the issues you've raised here, and they've > been at the top of my mind working on this over the last 9 or so months. I > am satisfied that it has been consultative (with a particular subset of the > commun

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Richard Stallman
CELF Embedded Linux Conference Sometimes Linux is used alone in embedded systems, without the GNU system. However, when a project is thinking of using GNOME, it must plan to use the GNU/Linux system, not Linux alone. Would you please help inform the visitors to the booth about this, and ad

GNOME Foundation in-confidence issues

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Yes, you did give some of these examples, and I agree that there are > situations within these broad categories that would require some level of > secrecy. But the fact that we don't know any of the details means that > there is still not enough information for me to judge whether the secrecy

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Dan Winship wrote: > Or, if the GNOME Foundation is going to start behaving like Apple, how > about we set up a "gnomerumors" web site and forum, where people can > post rumors anonymously and try to figure out what the Board is up to > before the official announcements? While the board (and

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 4/13/07, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There may be legitimate reasons for some degree of secrecy, but there is > > no information for us as foundation members to judge for ourselves whether > > that secrecy is warranted. It essentially all boils down to: "trust us, > > we're g

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Havoc Pennington
As a footnote, I'm pretty sure one of the original reasons we created the board back in the day was to be able to do things like this - give GNOME a way to coordinate press releases without "breaking" them (press releases simply don't work if discussed in public in advance). Another reason for

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> There may be legitimate reasons for some degree of secrecy, but there is > no information for us as foundation members to judge for ourselves whether > that secrecy is warranted. It essentially all boils down to: "trust us, > we're good people". I thought I provided some pretty good informati

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On 4/13/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:42 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > > > > Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > > it, and now we're doing it

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Bryan Clark
Dan Winship wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > >> Those paying close attention over the last 12 months will have a fair idea >> what this is about, but please resist the temptation to reply to this post >> about it, as we're hoping to keep it under wraps until Thursday. :-) >> > > Or, if the GNOM

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > it, and now we're doing it to ourselves??? So, when it's announced, you'll find that it's not at all like dumping lumps of code on the community

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 13:42 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: > > Seriously though, this "surprise announcement" stuff is exactly the sort > of behavior that the community despises when Novell[1] and Red Hat[2] do > it, and now we're doing it to ourselves??? What's wrong with building up some hype? Ma

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Dan Winship
Jeff Waugh wrote: > Those paying close attention over the last 12 months will have a fair idea > what this is about, but please resist the temptation to reply to this post > about it, as we're hoping to keep it under wraps until Thursday. :-) Or, if the GNOME Foundation is going to start behaving

Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
Hi all, Some of you may have noticed a new teaser on the front page of www.gnome.org today - it's about an event we're holding next Thursday, April 19th in Santa Clara, California, USA. If you're a GNOME lover living nearby, come down to see us. There will be a bunch of hackerly GNOME folks there