Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi Rui, I just read through this whole thread from start to finish after having gotten a little behind on my email. Personally the ODF versus OOXML discussion is only of secondary interest to me, but one thing struck me through this whole debate. Rui, it is fine to disagree with Miguel and

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Alan Cox
Michael throughout this discussion belong anywhere. Miguel and Michael have each done more for free software than most of us can even hope to aspire to That doesn't mean what they are doing now is good for free software. Just ask Mr Raymond ;) ___

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Miguel and Michael have done remarkable jobs in many situations, and as such deserve a lot of praise for those jobs. This one, however, is not a remarkable job and deserves critic. Regards, Rui ps: is how can we do autoSpaceLikeWord95 a snide remark? Is 2004/48/EC a snide remark? all those

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:09 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Miguel and Michael have done remarkable jobs in many situations, and as such deserve a lot of praise for those jobs. This one, however, is not a remarkable job and deserves critic. It's not about praise or doing a remarkable

Code of Conduct on foundation-list

2007-07-31 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, I want to suggest opting in for Code of Conduct [1] on foundation-list. See the Applies to section of CoC for what this means in practical terms. [1] http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct Cheers, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Claudio Saavedra
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:09 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Miguel and Michael have done remarkable jobs in many situations, and as such deserve a lot of praise for those jobs. This one, however, is not a remarkable job and deserves critic. That's not the central point in Christian's

Re: Code of Conduct on foundation-list

2007-07-31 Thread Quim Gil
The foundation-list is a channel of communication of the GNOME Foundation membership and therefore is ruled by the charter and by-laws of the foundation. See http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ and http://foundation.gnome.org/about/bylaws.pdf There you have established rules agreed by all

Re: Code of Conduct on foundation-list

2007-07-31 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 22:52 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: In this context, and in the foundation related lists, an additional code of conduct is just redundant. Understood. But it's just easier to point people to CoC when they behave poorly. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Richard Stallman
Since I do not read what Microsoft says in standards group meetings, I thank Rui for informating us that it matches what Miguel de Icaza said here. Putting that similarity together with the nature of his statements (vague claims that that the criticism of OOXML is flawed), it becomes a cogent

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi Richard, As someone who believes strongly about many things, yet to my knowledge always argues the case and never the person I don't see why you are coming out defending such behavior here. My criticism was mainly about the tone of the debate and for someone who himself never resorted to name

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Richard Stallman
And put in different words: if anybody is concerned about how this issue affects the GNOME Foundation and the GNOME project in general please expose these concerns in a way we can do or say something. I think the GNOME Foundation should lend its support to the campaign against