Re: Can we improve things?
On 9/12/07, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:... 3. Jeff doesn't like you. 4. Jeff doesn't like your blog. 5. Jeff doesn't like your politics. 6. Neither you nor your blog is elite enough. 7. planet.gnome.org in an old boys club. -1 ... Which is why a transparent process is really really important. Requests should be handled through bugzilla because then everyone can see that it is all open and all allegations about nepotism is totally unfounded. +1 -- --- Luca Cappelletti Infodomestic.com ...Together we stand, divided we fall. .O. ..O OOO GTalk: luca dot cappelletti at gmail dot com Jabber: luca dot cappelletti at jabber dot org MSN: luca underscore cappelletti at hotmail dot com Skype: luca dot cappelletti Linux Registered User: #223411 Ubuntu Registered User: #7221 http://www.advogato.org/person/mutek/ http://persone.softwarelibero.org/person/mutek https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucaCappelletti/ l'intelligenza è utile per la sopravvivenza se ci permette di estinguere una cattiva idea prima che la cattiva idea estingua noi La chiave di ogni uomo è il suo pensiero. Benché egli possa apparire saldo e autonomo, ha un criterio cui obbedisce, che è l'idea in base alla quale classifica tutte le cose. Può essere cambiato solo mostrandogli una nuova idea che sovrasti la sua Uno studioso è soltanto un modo in cui una biblioteca crea un'altra biblioteca ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can we improve things?
На чет, 2007-09-13 во 09:40 +0200, Luca Cappelletti напиша: Which is why a transparent process is really really important. Requests should be handled through bugzilla because then everyone can see that it is all open and all allegations about nepotism is totally unfounded. +1 Couldn't agree more. +1 -- Арангел [w.ufo.linux.net.mk] [e/j.ufo at linux.net.mk] [i.arangel @ FreeNode] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: For my part, if I had anything else to argue it would be that p.g.o. should be handled by a formal team whos members could be subject to change from time to time (as I suggested before, possibly a marketing team or web team) - as opposed to add someone else to jeff, which might speed up the process for planet syndication but still risk leaving applicants in the dark (and applicants in the dark are the ones I believe might feel unwelcome, if only because of the non-democratic nature of the process ;-)). Too much process! The problems are undocumented approval guidelines, and a single point of failure (Jeff) for planet maintenance. Jeff's fixing the first one, and a formal team is not an ideal solution to the second. Keep it simple. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Le mercredi 12 septembre 2007, à 17:37 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : Because despite Gnome is people, I think that for most people, Planet Gnome is primarily about Gnome. No. The way planet started, it was about people. Or friends in fact. I personally am not interested in reading an all technical Planet GNOME. For example, more than reading about latest boring feature in Evolution, I prefer reading cool cooking recipes or mind wrestling puzzles, *on p.g.o*. It's a way to keep track of what my fellow hackers are doing. Totally agree. I really like to read cooking recipes every now and then, or to learn about how life is going on for a friend. Of course, there are some entries I just skip (eg, Lucas' ones -- just kidding!). FWIW, there is one situation which can go the use a GNOME tag way: it's about language. For example, only my english posts are going to Planet GNOME, and those posts are always GNOME or free software posts. But I'm 100% fine with this since we still didn't change most of the world to understand French; hopefully we will get there soon! ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Vincent Untz But I'm 100% fine with this since we still didn't change most of the world to understand French; hopefully we will get there soon! ;-) This would be an entirely reasonable catalyst for applying censorship to Planet GNOME. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008 It's like having someone say to you, 'You should get back together with your first wife. You guys were good together'. It's not that simple. - David Byrne on Talking Heads ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 9/13/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Planet GNOME is about the people moreso than the project. We talk about the project *all the time*. The reason why I started Planet GNOME (and Planet!) was to read about and better understand the *people*. That's why full feeds are preferred over GNOME-specific tags, why we have hackergotchis (to put a face to a name), and why this idea has been so influential around the FLOSS community. I like reading recipes from time to time, or knowing where people go on vacation or that they have posted their photos, as long as this is people I am interested in (meaning people working on some soft I know, or people I have already met IRL or on IRC). I am more concerned about big posters, posting almost everyday some long text and for who I have never seen any GNOME related post, and who I never read anything from them except their blog on planet (should I really give names ?). People complain about the number of posts everyday and the decreasing interest in reading the planet, I think that this is the main content issue. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Vincent Untz wrote, On 13/09/07 11:00: Le mercredi 12 septembre 2007, à 17:37 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : Because despite Gnome is people, I think that for most people, Planet Gnome is primarily about Gnome. No. The way planet started, it was about people. Or friends in fact. I personally am not interested in reading an all technical Planet GNOME. For example, more than reading about latest boring feature in Evolution, I prefer reading cool cooking recipes or mind wrestling puzzles, *on p.g.o*. It's a way to keep track of what my fellow hackers are doing. Totally agree. I really like to read cooking recipes every now and then, or to learn about how life is going on for a friend. Of course, there are some entries I just skip (eg, Lucas' ones -- just kidding!). +1, Agree. Seriously, I do like to read what people are doing besides their GNOME related duties. Think of the planet as the most friendly/human part of the friendly desktop project. ;) In the worst case - in which the blog entry is a language that you can not read - it is NOT that bad!! How much effort requires to press 'n' in order to skip the entry? How long does it take? The planet is not a newspaper or a magazine, it is just a planet. That censorship / editorial line idea doesn't make any sense to me. -- Greetings, alo. http://www.alobbs.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Alvaro Lopez Ortega The planet is not a newspaper or a magazine, it is just a planet. That censorship / editorial line idea doesn't make any sense to me. I hope that this is a similar effect to that of great design -- you don't notice the editorship because Planet is highly readable and reflective of the people who are active bloggers in our community. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/ I run Linux on pretty much everything except the microwave and washing machine. Those are tempting targets but would probably make Telsa extremely cross. - Alan Cox ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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quote who=Alvaro Lopez Ortega Jeff Waugh wrote, On 13/09/07 11:43: The planet is not a newspaper or a magazine, it is just a planet. That censorship / editorial line idea doesn't make any sense to me. I hope that this is a similar effect to that of great design -- you don't notice the editorship because Planet is highly readable and reflective of the people who are active bloggers in our community. :-) Does that mean that if someone isn't an active blogger he has nothing interesting to write about every now and then? That's a pretty bizaare interpretation of what I wrote. :-) Besides, that would need someone to be over the good and the bad to make the decision of whether a post is worth to be in the planet or not... and I'd like to think that nobody would step forward to take over that position. Editorship doesn't mean intrusive oversight of every post. It means there's a benchmark for inclusion. I'm summarising how I go through that decision at the moment [1]. - Jeff [1] I did tell myself not to get involved in the discussion and just post this once I'd finished it, but I didn't want to let the conversation go off the rails with all the conspiracy theory crap. -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australiahttp://lca2008.linux.org.au/ I think hot Chinese girls who kick ass are the wave of the future, as far as films go. - Cody Russell ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I am more concerned about big posters, posting almost everyday some long text and for who I have never seen any GNOME related post, and who I never read anything from them except their blog on planet (should I really give names ?). People complain about the number of posts everyday and the decreasing interest in reading the planet, I think that this is the main content issue. I think everyone has their own least-favorite bloggers... so why not add easy-to-use filtering/personalization on pgo, like I suggested earlier? (End-user hacking of css files doesn't count as easy.) Let the users boost the signal-to-noise ratio themselves! A good example is Miguel's blog. Fascinating stuff, if you're into Mono. A big waste of screen space if you aren't. (I mean that nicely, not snidely... ) Same with the reading-list-type-blogs. - Mike ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
