Re: GNOME Foundation Elections - Ballots sent
Hi Damien; You could have used [EMAIL PROTECTED] That mailing list is much more appropriate for your request. Since there're bunch of unreceived ballot request every election, I'm sending new ballots at the start of second week as a second run. There is no easy way to send a single ballot that's why waiting most tickets is better way. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards, Baris Cicek On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:35 +0100, Damien Sandras wrote: Hello, Le lundi 26 novembre 2007 à 00:43 +0200, Baris Cicek a écrit : Hi all, We have just sent the ballots for the elections. Every member who can vote for the elections should have received an e-mail with instructions explaining how to vote. If you have not received your ballot, please first verify that you are eligible to vote by looking at the list of voters and that your e-mail address in this list is still valid: http://foundation.gnome.org/membership/members.php If you are not on this list and think you should be, please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] explaining your situation. If you are on this list and if you have not received your ballot, then you can ask us to send you a new ballot by sending an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have not received my ballot. I have received all other mails but not the ballot itself. Perhaps it has been accidentally deleted or tagged as spam. I have sent an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last Monday and I have not received any answer except the ticket number. Given the deadline to vote, can somebody accelerate the process so that I receive a new ballot in order to be able to vote ? Thanks, ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates
Hi, Sorry, I'll reply briefly because my free time is limited today. I hope it will be understandable :-) Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007, à 02:51 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : Hi there, The questions: o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if elected vote to spend this money on important projects? Hrm. I wouldn't say we have a lot of money, but well, let's answer your questions :-) Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I could certainly come up with some projects that might both increase deployment of our GNOME technologies on mobile devices and increase the amount of contributors. Both reasons are, I think, part of the reason why our Foundation exists. - Development on language bindings, like a binding generator for for example Android and other mobile targets (plenty of our components don't require Gtk+ yet could run on this target) - Funding development on development tools (like the new Anjuta) - Development on a WinCE port of Gtk+ - Development on a P.I.P.S. (Symbian with POSIX) port of Gtk+ - Improve the existing Win32 target of Gtk+ We can do it, but it costs a lot and I'm not sure that's the best way to use our money. If we get some funding for those things, then that'd be great. If you really want this to happen, you can help by looking for funds. Note that having a business development person could help here too... - Employ a maintainer and/or additional developers for Gtk+'s development This has been discussed this year (there's a thread on gtk-devel-list and there was a discussion at GUADEC). The consensus was that it was not the best way to help GTK+. - Pay people to travel to schools and universities to educate students about GNOME (serious educating, not just doing cheap presentations) I don't think that's the right way to do it. The right way is to work with people teaching there. We've started doing this this year, but it needs more help to get results. Volunteers are welcome, contacts in universities are welcome. - ... (for making these decisions we need people who'll make real and hard decisions) o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the title: GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam I've no strong opinion, so yes, why not. But then, why GNOME Mobile and not GNOME. Also, related to this, I'd more interested in seeing a GNOME Certification to certify applications (we've talked about this a few years ago already). Again, we need a group of people to dive into this and see what should be done to make this happen. o. How are you planning to help the GNOME community overcome the fact that we have relatively few technical leadership? Can you elaborate on this? - By waiting for the integration our softwares to turn into something that looks a lot like that O.S. called CHA-OS? - By letting companies like Nokia, Novell, ... set our goals? I think this is what's happening right now. Might be fine imo. I'd love to have more details on all this. How are they setting our goals? Isn't their goals our goals too anyway? etc. Note that, however, our users sometimes get confused by this: o. People thinking that Miguel De Icaza, Novell and GNOME are one entity. (I love your work Miguel, don't get me wrong. A lot of GNOME people do) o. Too late announcing of GNOME developers joining the OOXML discussions (I think it's great that we are among the people defining this, don't get me wrong. But our technical leadership, the one that we lack, should have made our position clear to the audience (our users) before getting Slashdotted by the religious ones in the land of freesoftware. This is not really about technical leadership, but about how GNOME is seen from the outside. Having one really strong leader would help fix those issues, but fixing our communication is also a reasonable way to achieve this. And it's probably easier :-) How to fix our communication is an interesting topic. I have no magical answer for this, and I'd welcome input. We can of course communicate better (the foundation blog Jeff created can help). We can make people known to the outside, so that the GNOME = Miguel feeling disappears (GNOME Journal interview, etc.). Also, the website rework can play a big role here. I can see the Foundation coordinating all this, but I it's not a topic that is 100% Foundation: it's really about the whole project. (and everybody can help, I know, I'm repeating this every now and then) I think that we are having quite a handicap by this, and that we should do something about it. This year. How will you do that? What is your strategy? Notes on my mind: o. Technical leadership != one person dictatorship, we can work with
Re: two questions for candidates
On Nov 30, 2007 3:56 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people are going to be looking at licenses, I would very much like to discuss the FDL v2, and our usage of the FDL in general. There are some troublesome parts whose implications for GNOME aren't clear to me. My immediate gut instinct on this one is 'we're stuck with it whether we like it or not', but you know more about the copyright ownership of the docs than I do. Something else to look at, BTW, would be that FDL 2 will apparently be CC-SA compatible (not clear if that is 'FSF one way compatible' or 'actual two-way compatible', but wikipedia seems to think two-way compatible), and that may be something we want to look at, since that appears to be the fastest growing license commons on the non-code side of the world. Luis ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: On Boston Summit organization and delegation [was Re: A question to candidates]
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 14:53 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote: Just a note... I can probably find some good space at the University of Toronto (Canada) if it was ever required. It is generally easier for folks in some countries (like China, and Russia) to get visas to come here, and it is a cheap flight for Bostonians. There is a Red Hat office here, not sure about other GNOMEy elements. Sounds like a great idea to me. Do we have any numbers showing how many non US attendants were there at the previous Boston summits? Don't think so. But I'm all in favor of Boston Summit in Toronto too. -- behdad http://behdad.org/ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A question to candidates
I think it would add value to spend more on marketing and on evangelical community building opportunities. For example, Windows and MacOS have flashy Welcome to the desktop presentations. Perhaps it is time for the GNOME community to find ways to better advertise itself. It would also be an opportunity to talk about freedom. This is a dimension where we have a superiority which Windows and MacOS don't even try to match; but not everyone is aware that the dimension even exists. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?
quote who=Richard Stallman I don't recall that any candidate explicily rejected supporting the free software movement by means other than improving the attractiveness and success of GNOME. But several candidates answered in a way that seemed to pointedly imply a rejection of any such form of support for the community. I answered about the success of GNOME, mostly because I didn't read what you now raise as the point of your original question. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008 Learning and doing is the true spirit of free software -- learning without doing gets you academic sterility, and doing without learning is all too often the way things are done in proprietary software. - Raph Levien ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: two questions for candidates
If people are going to be looking at licenses, I would very much like to discuss the FDL v2, and our usage of the FDL in general. There are some troublesome parts whose implications for GNOME aren't clear to me. Would you like to pick someone to discuss this with the FSF? Also, I'm not certain how the copyleft nature of the FDL will impact the dynamic-collection-of-pages nature of Mallard. That someone could discuss this too. It is not too late for us to change the text of the next FDL version, so please don't wait. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
