Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 09:03 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On 23/02/10 22:52, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 16:53 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi Martyn, Don't be confused: most of this reply isn't directed at you personally. Sure, but I will indulge all the same ;) That's

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 09:03 +, Martyn Russell wrote: At some point you have to clean up your code base, that's been the case in every project I have worked on. I don't think it is a bad thing that GTK+ is released just more cleaned up, but others disagree and want 3.0 to have x, y and

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture. Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital in its own right. It is little

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Javier Jardón
Hello, The GTK+ GSEAL work is almost done [1], and the cleaning work have been started in the 2-90 branch [2] I think that we only need more hands to do all the remaining job :) The good news is that you don't need to be a expert to help removing deprecated code or moving GSEAL'd members to

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Martyn Russell
On 24/02/10 10:11, Murray Cumming wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 09:03 +, Martyn Russell wrote: At some point you have to clean up your code base, that's been the case in every project I have worked on. I don't think it is a bad thing that GTK+ is released just more cleaned up, but others

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:07 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 09:03 +, Martyn Russell wrote: [CUT] I think it is important to do releases when you have progress in the project not just because you have some new shiny feature to give to people. I'm more in favor of

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Murray Cumming wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:07 +, Martyn Russell wrote: I think it is important to do releases when you have progress in the project not just because you have some new shiny feature to give to people. Yes, releases are good, but we don't have to call them

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 13:04 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Murray Cumming wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:07 +, Martyn Russell wrote: I think it is important to do releases when you have progress in the project not just because you have some new shiny feature to give to people.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hi all, I think that this sort of discussion belongs to the gtk-devel mailing list, besides, all of this nice to have have been discussed in the past but none has actually stepped up to write actual code (as Martyn says, everytime you start writting something, you hit the legacy wall). The point

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 12:41 +, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hi all, I think that this sort of discussion belongs to the gtk-devel mailing list, besides, all of this nice to have have been discussed in the past but none has actually stepped up to write actual code (as Martyn says, everytime you

State of Foundation charter

2010-02-24 Thread Jonh Wendell
Hello, folks. I'm taking a look at http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ , which mentions it's still a draft, from Oct 2000! Do we have a final version, or is it the final version so that it can be renamed? Cheers, -- Jonh Wendell http://www.bani.com.br

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 02/24/2010 01:05 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture. Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital in its own right.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Ruben Vermeersch
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 11:16 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture. Freedom can lead to more available

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Ruben Vermeersch
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 08:30 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: On 02/24/2010 01:05 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture.

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2010/2/24 Juanjo Marin juanj.ma...@juntadeandalucia.es: Possibly Alberto is right. Anyway, the original message of this thread is that GNOME doesn't have long term goals. It seems that the improvement of GTK attact a lot of attention.(BTW, Alberto's presentation on GUADEC about this is

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 24-02-2010 10:16, Dave Neary escreveu: Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture. Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Holger Berndt
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:04:44 +0100 Dave Neary wrote: What features/removal of bugs are desired for GTK+? Though that may seem boring and not shiny enough to excite people, my personal number one missing feature is general purpose undo/redo support at a low level in the stack. Currently, some

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Juanjo Marin wrote: Possibly Alberto is right. Anyway, the original message of this thread is that GNOME doesn't have long term goals. It seems that the improvement of GTK attact a lot of attention. Proposed short-to-mid-term goal: Make the GNOME platform exciting to alpha-dog

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! I don't know if I'm an outlier, but what's always annoyed me about UI programming in GTK+ is container widgets, and the need for me to worry about them in the IDE. I don't understand why I can't drag drop widgets, and have the IDE take care of deciding what container widgets I need, and