Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:53 PM, guido iodice wrote: > 2010/6/14 Sriram Ramkrishna : > > It's reasonably implied that Linux includes the GNU system. > > There is no other system that Linux has other than GNU > > Pardon, but this is not true. I.e. Android has Linux but it has not > GNU. It is ver

Re: Voting with nonfree software???

2010-06-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 18:16 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit : > Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's > the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-) > > Can we use GPLv3+? That would set a good example for developers > of other programs. I usually release

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Richard Stallman
I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning GNU/Linux is disingenious. See gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gn

Re: Voting with nonfree software???

2010-06-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-) Can we use GPLv3+? That would set a good example for developers of other programs. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:53:17PM +0200, guido iodice wrote: > Excuse me, I was unclear. That is no matter of quantity, but matter Some of these posts (the one I'm replying to) hit the moderation queue. Just FYI: I won't approve any of such posts anymore. Find another list to discuss GNU vs GNU/

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread guido iodice
2010/6/14 Sriram Ramkrishna : > It's reasonably implied that Linux includes the GNU system. > There is no other system that Linux has other than GNU Pardon, but this is not true. I.e. Android has Linux but it has not GNU. It is very different from a GNU/linux distro. > GNU is not the main > pa

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, guido iodice wrote: > 2010/6/14 Stormy Peters : >> We need to work on other campaigns to spread the word about the value of >> free software. > Surely free software needs more. > But it should be useful for all to explain than GNOME is part of GNU, > and GNU is the

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM, guido iodice wrote: > 2010/6/14 Bastien Nocera : > > > > I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a > > GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning > > GNU/Linux is disingenious. > > Well, but merging GNU and Linux (or GNU and Fr

Stormy's Update: Week of June 7, 2010

2010-06-14 Thread Stormy Peters
http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2010/06/14/stormys-update-week-of-june-7-2010/ Attended LinuxTag. Met with many people (some much more briefly than others). Claudia Rauch and Frank Karlitschek from KDE with Vincent Untz to talk about the Desktop Summit 2011. Ivanka Majic from the Canonical desig

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread guido iodice
2010/6/14 Bastien Nocera : > > I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a > GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning > GNU/Linux is disingenious. Well, but merging GNU and Linux (or GNU and FreeBSD kernel...) we have an OS. KDE is not sufficient to have an OS

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread guido iodice
2010/6/14 Stormy Peters : > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Millions of people now say Linux Millions of people believed the earth was flat, but they wrong :) > and GNU/Linux is > harder to say, uglier sounding (hard G's are not easy), implies that we feel > left

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread William Jon McCann
Hey, On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > >> >> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I >> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think >> GNU/Linux is going to be the way

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Stormy Peters
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > > Keep in mind GNU considers GNOME to be part of it ;) > > > I completely understand that. I am not pushing for GNOME/Linux either. Stormy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.o

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > >> >> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I >> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think >> GNU/Linux is going to be the way it hap

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > > Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I > agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think > GNU/Linux is going to be the way it happens. Millions of people now > say Linux and GNU/Linux

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Stormy Peters writes: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > As long as the mistake continues to be common, we need to keep up the > efforts to educate people.  I wish we could get this done once and for > all, so that we could move on.  But, as you surely see

Re: Question for Bastian Nocera

2010-06-14 Thread Stormy Peters
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > As long as the mistake continues to be common, we need to keep up the > efforts to educate people. I wish we could get this done once and for > all, so that we could move on. But, as you surely see, the mass media > continue to call t

Re: Voting with nonfree software???

2010-06-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 09:43 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Tobias Mueller wrote: > >> I looked at the page source; the code is nontrivial, so the issue > >> is nontrivial too. > >> > >> Would you please put a free software license on that Javascript code > >> today? I will try again to

Re: Voting with nonfree software???

2010-06-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Tobias Mueller wrote: >> I looked at the page source; the code is nontrivial, so the issue >> is nontrivial too. >> >> Would you please put a free software license on that Javascript code >> today? I will try again to vote tomorrow and Sunday. >> > Dave, AFAIK does the JavaScript part come fr