Re: Meeting Minutes Published - August 5, 2010

2010-08-26 Thread Gil Forcada
El dj 26 de 08 de 2010 a les 12:30 +0200, en/na Dave Neary va escriure:
> Hi,
> 
> Brian Cameron wrote:
> > * GUADEC
> >   o The board will create a Wiki page with tips to better
> > manage GUADEC/event planning in the future. The Wiki will
> > start as a private Wiki page and will be made more public
> > when it is fleshed out.
> 
> I just wanted to point out that this would be at least the 3rd such
> effort at documenting GUADEC planning - separate checklists have been
> created during & after Villanova & Gran Canaria previously.
> 
> I would prefer to make existing resources more useful, rather than
> starting from scratch (again).
> 
> Please see
> 
> http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo
> http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo/CheckList
> http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/GranCanariaDesktopSummit
> http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2010/Planning
> 
> 
> Also, guadec-planning archives should have lots of useful advice.
> 
> The major difficulty with GUADEC has always been having a very clear
> idea of who is doing a given task early enough, and having someone to
> answer questions like "how many X should we buy?" or "How many rooms do
> we need?" and getting things like events organised sufficiently early so
> that we're not rushing at the mast minute.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.

+1 here (obviously)

Having a new website each time is also that doesn't help at all to allow
documenting things (even if we have l.g.o).

Cheers,


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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - July 25, 2010

2010-08-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Bastien Nocera wrote:
> This is what we've been told by the people we talked to. MeeGo 1.0 for
> handsets uses a new compositor, with a new set of hints. Those are not
> compatible with existing desktop implementations.
> 
> Trying to use a stock GTK+ or Qt application on MeeGo 1.0 for handsets
> will result in a black screen.
> 
> Do you have any other information that contradicts that?

After looking into it, I've been told that this is a bug in mcompositor,
rather than a design issue: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953

>>>   o The board is considering funding making Maemo 6 integrate
>>> more nicely with GTK+.
>> In the context, it seems like the task should be "Ensuring that Maemo 5
>> apps work well with upstream GTK+"?
> 
> The first step would be fixing the compositor and/or adding support for
> this new compositor in GTK+ itself.
> 
> The second would be to start porting some of the Maemo 5 GTK+ and Hildon
> features to GTK+.

Yes, this certainly seems reasonable. But the bug in mcompositor seems
sufficiently serious that it will have a high priority in mcompositor
also (as mentioned in that bug report).

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - August 5, 2010

2010-08-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Brian Cameron wrote:
> * GUADEC
>   o The board will create a Wiki page with tips to better
> manage GUADEC/event planning in the future. The Wiki will
> start as a private Wiki page and will be made more public
> when it is fleshed out.

I just wanted to point out that this would be at least the 3rd such
effort at documenting GUADEC planning - separate checklists have been
created during & after Villanova & Gran Canaria previously.

I would prefer to make existing resources more useful, rather than
starting from scratch (again).

Please see

http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo
http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo/CheckList
http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/GranCanariaDesktopSummit
http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2010/Planning


Also, guadec-planning archives should have lots of useful advice.

The major difficulty with GUADEC has always been having a very clear
idea of who is doing a given task early enough, and having someone to
answer questions like "how many X should we buy?" or "How many rooms do
we need?" and getting things like events organised sufficiently early so
that we're not rushing at the mast minute.

Cheers,
Dave.

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GNOME Foundation member
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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - July 25, 2010

2010-08-26 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:58 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Brian Cameron wrote:
> > * GNOME Mobile work funded by Nokia.
> >   o If Nokia continued with Maemo 5, then we could just port
> > GNOME apps and they would likely just work.
> >   o With Maemo 6 and Moblin neither Qt nor GTK+ apps just work.
> 
> This doesn't sound right... Qt apps and stock GTK+ apps should Just Work
> in both Maemo 6 and MeeGo 1.0. The issue, as I understand it, is that
> Hildon & "Nokia GTK+" apps developed against Maemo 5 currently have no
> migration path to Maemo 6/MeeGo.

This is what we've been told by the people we talked to. MeeGo 1.0 for
handsets uses a new compositor, with a new set of hints. Those are not
compatible with existing desktop implementations.

Trying to use a stock GTK+ or Qt application on MeeGo 1.0 for handsets
will result in a black screen.

Do you have any other information that contradicts that?

> >   o The board is considering funding making Maemo 6 integrate
> > more nicely with GTK+.
> 
> In the context, it seems like the task should be "Ensuring that Maemo 5
> apps work well with upstream GTK+"?

The first step would be fixing the compositor and/or adding support for
this new compositor in GTK+ itself.

The second would be to start porting some of the Maemo 5 GTK+ and Hildon
features to GTK+.

> >   o ACTION: Bastien to discuss technical Nokia plans with
> > regards to Meego for Handsets.
> >   o ACTION: Stormy to send Bastien contact details for Nokia
> > Advisory Board.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.
> 


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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - July 25, 2010

2010-08-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Brian Cameron wrote:
> * GNOME Mobile work funded by Nokia.
>   o If Nokia continued with Maemo 5, then we could just port
> GNOME apps and they would likely just work.
>   o With Maemo 6 and Moblin neither Qt nor GTK+ apps just work.

This doesn't sound right... Qt apps and stock GTK+ apps should Just Work
in both Maemo 6 and MeeGo 1.0. The issue, as I understand it, is that
Hildon & "Nokia GTK+" apps developed against Maemo 5 currently have no
migration path to Maemo 6/MeeGo.

>   o The board is considering funding making Maemo 6 integrate
> more nicely with GTK+.

In the context, it seems like the task should be "Ensuring that Maemo 5
apps work well with upstream GTK+"?

>   o ACTION: Bastien to discuss technical Nokia plans with
> regards to Meego for Handsets.
>   o ACTION: Stormy to send Bastien contact details for Nokia
> Advisory Board.

Cheers,
Dave.

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