Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:58 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Aha, well, yes. For starters:
> >
> > * Speech recognition would be useful for at least some people with print
> > learning disabilities as well as for certain people with physical
> > disabilities.
> >
> > * Caribou, especially were its functionality further expanded, would be
> > useful for people with physical disabilities.
> >
> > Could we begin there? And if so, who is "we" and how do we "begin"? :-)
>
> OK - Caribou is the gok replacement, right?
Indeed.
> I guess "we" is us - the GNOME Foundation. I'm sure the board will help,
> I'll help, I'm certain the a11y team will help... we'll figure this out.
Awesome! Thank you.
> I guess "begin" begins with "build a list of organisations we could
> contact for grants" - organisations should include non-profits,
> foundations, universities, and government agencies. We could use a wiki
> page for that, or Etherpad, or Google Docs, perhaps SugarCRM? Open to
> discussion.
>
> Then, for each one, we try to get a good entry point.
>
> Then, "we" contact them, with a general & informal first approach - "do
> you know GNOME? We're pretty cool. We do cool a11y stuff." and if they
> have heard of us, and are maybe using us a little, we can then pitch the
> roadmap for grants.
>
> For sure, it's a long shot approach, and we'll probably only ever get
> 10% response to initial queries, and less than 10% of those interested
> in funding "us"
But it sounds like a good start and a sound one. And anything more than
0% will help out the development efforts of the A11y team.
> (and there, let me turn that question around to you -
> who's "us"?
Good question. I'll defer to Piñeiro (on holiday today).
But my opinion is that it would depend on the size of the sums we're
talking about. For now, I'm going to assume "bounties" or small grants
sufficiently large to convince qualified individuals or entities that
taking on the associated task is worth their while. In which case "us"
would either be the Foundation or the GNOME A11y team. And in either
case, the {Foundation, A11y Team} would work together with the {A11y
Team, Foundation} to ensure that such a qualified individual or entity
is sought and tasked with the job.
--joanie
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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
Hi, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Aha, well, yes. For starters: > > * Speech recognition would be useful for at least some people with print > learning disabilities as well as for certain people with physical > disabilities. > > * Caribou, especially were its functionality further expanded, would be > useful for people with physical disabilities. > > Could we begin there? And if so, who is "we" and how do we "begin"? :-) OK - Caribou is the gok replacement, right? I guess "we" is us - the GNOME Foundation. I'm sure the board will help, I'll help, I'm certain the a11y team will help... we'll figure this out. I guess "begin" begins with "build a list of organisations we could contact for grants" - organisations should include non-profits, foundations, universities, and government agencies. We could use a wiki page for that, or Etherpad, or Google Docs, perhaps SugarCRM? Open to discussion. Then, for each one, we try to get a good entry point. Then, "we" contact them, with a general & informal first approach - "do you know GNOME? We're pretty cool. We do cool a11y stuff." and if they have heard of us, and are maybe using us a little, we can then pitch the roadmap for grants. For sure, it's a long shot approach, and we'll probably only ever get 10% response to initial queries, and less than 10% of those interested in funding "us" (and there, let me turn that question around to you - who's "us"? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
CCing the list as you replied to the copy of my message which never made it to the list because I sent it via the wrong address. :-/ Sorry about that. On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 21:01 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi Joanmarie, > > What I'm getting at is, if there were features which were particularly > useful to, say, people using head-trackers, then we might be able to get > funding from spina bifida support organisations, for example. If there > are things in the a11y roadmap that we could loosely group as "useful > for people with " that would give us an idea of the kinds of > organisations that might fund that work. Aha, well, yes. For starters: * Speech recognition would be useful for at least some people with print learning disabilities as well as for certain people with physical disabilities. * Caribou, especially were its functionality further expanded, would be useful for people with physical disabilities. Could we begin there? And if so, who is "we" and how do we "begin"? :-) Thanks Dave. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
Oregon hazelnuts are awesome ;) sri On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 12/08/2010 07:35 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Murray Cumming wrote: >> >>> http://www.gnomehazelnutfactory.com/ >>> >>> I don't believe there's generally any problem with two companies having >>> the same name for a product if those products are so different. If we >>> ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. >>> >> >> Of course there isn't - trademarks are limited to fields of use. We have >> quite a broad field of use, but selling hazelnuts is not part of it :) >> >> I just thought GNOME hazelnuts sounded cool :) >> >> Cheers, >> Dave. >> >> Should we then attempt a partnership? For every bag of hazelnut they sell > they can give away a free copy of GNOME, and for every GNOME Desktop we > distribute we can give away a free bag of GNOME hazelnut? > > :P > > Fred > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
Hi All. > Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be > possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested > in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be > focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Where is the Orca > roadmap? http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Roadmap The (still in progress) Accessibility Roadmap (along with links to the roadmaps to individual projects) can be found here: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap > Are any of the features being requested by specific > identifiable groups? The Gecko and Performance work with Mozilla. That is related to the $10k grant. I don't know if something similar could be done with the other items. Thanks for your ideas and support/help! --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used
Hi, Brian Cameron wrote: > The GNOME Foot could only be licensed by the copyright holder. I'd > think any licenses assigned without permission by the copyright holder > would not be considered valid. So, how can there be images in the > wild? I'd think the copyright holder should know how it has been > licensed with permission. If, for example, the GNOME foot (which is in the wiki) were released to one person by the original author under by-sa or fdl, and then redistributed from there, we'd be SOL. If, for example, the foot's creator never did such a thing, but someone else marked the foot file as CC by-sa or fdl, and then that got shipped around, then the original author could certainly ask for correction. > Is it not The GNOME Foundation who owns the copyright to the logo? I > thought the author of the foot logo image provided the artwork as a > part of a contest. No - as far as I know, the foot is copyright jimmac. jimmac can confirm. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
Stormy: Attending * Stormy Peters I was not there but I think about you all lots! Oops, corrected in the Wiki minutes. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used
Maybe the suspected "abuser" struck a deal to add the logo to his advertising as a way of promoting the OS and the desktop. Martin - Original Message - From: "Brian Cameron" To: "Dave Neary" Cc: ; "Foundation-List" Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used Dave: On 12/ 8/10 07:46 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Also, there's a decent copyright claim there by the icon author, if his > artwork is being reused without his knowledge or consent, unless of > course there's a GNOME foot in the wild somewhere under FDL or a CC license. The GNOME Foot could only be licensed by the copyright holder. I'd think any licenses assigned without permission by the copyright holder would not be considered valid. So, how can there be images in the wild? I'd think the copyright holder should know how it has been licensed with permission. Is it not The GNOME Foundation who owns the copyright to the logo? I thought the author of the foot logo image provided the artwork as a part of a contest. Brian > Frederic Muller wrote: >> This company is somehow in "my backyard". Do you want me to get in touch >> with them and test the waters? >> >> Fred >> >> On 11/29/2010 06:35 PM, Andrew wrote: >>> G'day all, >>> so i was out shopping and i found the gnome foot plastered on some >>> brand of wii accessory, see the attached image, >>> also i did some google'ing and found the website >>> http://www.pro-gamer.com.cn/home.aspx if you look through you can see >>> the gnome foot clearly visible on the main page, and if you click >>> through the image gallery you'll see products with the gnome foot on >>> it. >>> >>> cheers andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> gnome-list mailing list >>> gnome-l...@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >> >> ___ >> foundation-list mailing list >> foundation-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >> > ___ gnome-list mailing list gnome-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used
Dave: On 12/ 8/10 07:46 AM, Dave Neary wrote: Also, there's a decent copyright claim there by the icon author, if his artwork is being reused without his knowledge or consent, unless of course there's a GNOME foot in the wild somewhere under FDL or a CC license. The GNOME Foot could only be licensed by the copyright holder. I'd think any licenses assigned without permission by the copyright holder would not be considered valid. So, how can there be images in the wild? I'd think the copyright holder should know how it has been licensed with permission. Is it not The GNOME Foundation who owns the copyright to the logo? I thought the author of the foot logo image provided the artwork as a part of a contest. Brian Frederic Muller wrote: This company is somehow in "my backyard". Do you want me to get in touch with them and test the waters? Fred On 11/29/2010 06:35 PM, Andrew wrote: G'day all, so i was out shopping and i found the gnome foot plastered on some brand of wii accessory, see the attached image, also i did some google'ing and found the website http://www.pro-gamer.com.cn/home.aspx if you look through you can see the gnome foot clearly visible on the main page, and if you click through the image gallery you'll see products with the gnome foot on it. cheers andrew ___ gnome-list mailing list gnome-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used
Ah, cool! We haven't registered the foot as a trademark in China, and I doubt that we have any force of law behind us, but we should contact them, for sure. Also, there's a decent copyright claim there by the icon author, if his artwork is being reused without his knowledge or consent, unless of course there's a GNOME foot in the wild somewhere under FDL or a CC license. Cheers, Dave. Frederic Muller wrote: > This company is somehow in "my backyard". Do you want me to get in touch > with them and test the waters? > > Fred > > On 11/29/2010 06:35 PM, Andrew wrote: >> G'day all, >> so i was out shopping and i found the gnome foot plastered on some >> brand of wii accessory, see the attached image, >> also i did some google'ing and found the website >> http://www.pro-gamer.com.cn/home.aspx if you look through you can see >> the gnome foot clearly visible on the main page, and if you click >> through the image gallery you'll see products with the gnome foot on >> it. >> >> cheers andrew >> >> >> >> ___ >> gnome-list mailing list >> gnome-l...@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME's logo been incorrectly used
This company is somehow in "my backyard". Do you want me to get in touch with them and test the waters? Fred On 11/29/2010 06:35 PM, Andrew wrote: G'day all, so i was out shopping and i found the gnome foot plastered on some brand of wii accessory, see the attached image, also i did some google'ing and found the website http://www.pro-gamer.com.cn/home.aspx if you look through you can see the gnome foot clearly visible on the main page, and if you click through the image gallery you'll see products with the gnome foot on it. cheers andrew ___ gnome-list mailing list gnome-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
On 12/08/2010 07:35 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Murray Cumming wrote: http://www.gnomehazelnutfactory.com/ I don't believe there's generally any problem with two companies having the same name for a product if those products are so different. If we ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. Of course there isn't - trademarks are limited to fields of use. We have quite a broad field of use, but selling hazelnuts is not part of it :) I just thought GNOME hazelnuts sounded cool :) Cheers, Dave. Should we then attempt a partnership? For every bag of hazelnut they sell they can give away a free copy of GNOME, and for every GNOME Desktop we distribute we can give away a free bag of GNOME hazelnut? :P Fred ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 11, 2010
Hi, Brian Cameron wrote: > * Joanmarie Diggs joined the meeting to give an update on GNOME > accessibility. > o A $40,000 budget for FY2012 would help the a11y project. > o The GNOME Foundation currently has a $20,000 a11y budget. > Half is allocated for travel and half is allocated for > contracting work. This includes roughly a $5,000 surplus > from previous year, $10,000 from Mozilla, and $5,000 from > F123-Mais Diferenças. > > * Possible solutions: > o Perhaps a Friends of GNOME campaign could target a11y. > o Perhaps we could revisit funding a11y tasks via bounties > (e.g. The GOPA program). That project did not work so well > since the bounties were too small. Perhaps a $40,000 budget > would allow for larger bounties. > o We should do more PR, blogs, and publish more clear plans > about what work we want to do to raise awareness. > o Can plan to do a targeted FoG campaign. Plan to do a > campaign for servers in Spring, 2011. So, an a11y campaign > could follow. > o Can we work more closely with advisory board companies to > get more people allocated to a11y instead of, or in > addition to, raising funds. > o Perhaps we could determine a more consistent way to > allocate some money from the yearly advisory board fees to > programs that need money every year such as a11y. Further ideas: Based on the Orca (or even a more general a11y) roadmap, it may be possible to get some funding from companies or associations interested in seeing Orca get better (although a lot of the associations seem to be focussing more on NVDA because it works on Windows). Where is the Orca roadmap? Are any of the features being requested by specific identifiable groups? And can we pitch some of the roadmap to associations representing those groups? Do we have people who can get entry points & put in project proposals for the likes of HI, AFM, APAJH & other non-profits (those 3 are French). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
Hi, Murray Cumming wrote: >> http://www.gnomehazelnutfactory.com/ > > I don't believe there's generally any problem with two companies having > the same name for a product if those products are so different. If we > ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. Of course there isn't - trademarks are limited to fields of use. We have quite a broad field of use, but selling hazelnuts is not part of it :) I just thought GNOME hazelnuts sounded cool :) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
On 12/08/10 05:34, Andy Wingo wrote: > On Wed 08 Dec 2010 10:00, Murray Cumming writes: > >> If we ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. > > Presumably we may however offer nuts at an event, though without perhaps > labelling them as GNOME nuts. > > We may feel free to label the attendees as such though, as it is a > different use of the word. Just to clarify, label the attendees nuts or GNOME? :) behdad > Andy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
On Wed 08 Dec 2010 10:00, Murray Cumming writes: > If we ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. Presumably we may however offer nuts at an event, though without perhaps labelling them as GNOME nuts. We may feel free to label the attendees as such though, as it is a different use of the word. Andy -- http://wingolog.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME trademarks
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:08 -0700, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > > and also this second live GNOME trademark: > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4001:mi6n4v.2.40 > > The second one is interesting! > Word Mark: GNOME > Goods and Services: IC 029. US 046. G & S: Processed Hazelnuts > for human > consumption. FIRST USE: 19970331. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: > 20010203 > Owner: Lindsey Family Farm, LLC CORPORATION OREGON 7505 > Windsor Island > Rd. Salem OREGON 97303 > > I don't suppose someone living near Salem in Oregon has seen > GNOME > hazelnuts flying around local farmer's markets or health food > stores, > and would care to post a photo? > > http://www.gnomehazelnutfactory.com/ (I am not a lawyer.) I don't believe there's generally any problem with two companies having the same name for a product if those products are so different. If we ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem. -- murr...@murrayc.com www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
