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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Magdalen Berns wrote: > Let's be real: this is pure drama and it is more than slightly ironic that > the original topic of this thread has been completely derailed by those > seeking to censor "off-topic" discussion... > > For the record, I agree 100% with the moderators - that censorship of any > card carrying member would be totally unacceptable (especially on this > list). This is not censorship. We're not restricting anybody's ideas here. This is just enforcing the rules of the list. The subsequent responses after Richard's are from those who are upset that rules are not being followed. There is a certain tolerance when people do that, but when it is consistent over a period of years. Tolerance erodes quickly and when not resolved, people leave the list. Please. No more replies to this thread. I have already invited the original poster to talk with the board after he initially posted and we have an active conversation already. The matter is being resolved at the right level. sri ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision when using > > Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME in an > > incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in caps. I > > know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate if you > > could pay attention to this one as well. > > Thank you. I will try to remember. > Richard, in the future, please reply off-list if you want to correct someone on the usage of GNU/Linux. We are already a GNU project, most of us already know all this. You're de-railing a useful conversation with what other people consider to be noise. Please respect the rules of this list and stay true to the topic on the subject. Everyone else here is respecting the rules. You need to as well. Sri Ramkrishna Director, GNOME Foundation ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
Let's be real: this is pure drama and it is more than slightly ironic that the original topic of this thread has been completely derailed by those seeking to censor "off-topic" discussion... For the record, I agree 100% with the moderators - that censorship of any card carrying member would be totally unacceptable (especially on this list). Magdalen On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Jim Campbell wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > So I'm leaving this list. > > > > Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing > > again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If > > anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. > > > > Richard > > > If RMS were to say, for example, "Here's where you can find information > about using the GNOME trademark . . . oh, and by the way, please refer > to operating systems that use the Linux kernel as GNU/Linux systems . . > . " I don't think there's anyone on this list who would take issue with > it. > > And if RMS can't contribute meaningfully to the thread, but still wants > to emphasize that people call it "GNU/Linux," I think it's fine for him > to reply off-list to the person who sent the message, and say, "Kindly > call it GNU/Linux." I think we're all okay with that, too. Even if we're > not okay with it, it's RMS' perogative to do so. > > Otherwise, this is a forum for discussing matters of the GNOME > Foundation. We join this list to talk about the Foundation, and probably > not to talk about other things. If people repeatedly want to talk about > other things, and not talk about the GNOME Foundation, I think it's > appropriate for list admins to moderate those messages. > > Jim > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 15-04-03 12:49 PM, Konstantin Falin wrote: > all right. i got it. I do not know the terminology. try to fix this gap. I'm > sorry for taking the time to talk with me. Sorry Konstantin. This was not to pick on you. I apologize if it sounded that way. behdad >> 3 апр. 2015 г., в 19:40, Behdad Esfahbod >> написал(а): >> >> On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. >>> >>> Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, >> >> I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... >> distribution. > > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > So I'm leaving this list. > > Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing > again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If > anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. > > Richard If RMS were to say, for example, "Here's where you can find information about using the GNOME trademark . . . oh, and by the way, please refer to operating systems that use the Linux kernel as GNU/Linux systems . . . " I don't think there's anyone on this list who would take issue with it. And if RMS can't contribute meaningfully to the thread, but still wants to emphasize that people call it "GNU/Linux," I think it's fine for him to reply off-list to the person who sent the message, and say, "Kindly call it GNU/Linux." I think we're all okay with that, too. Even if we're not okay with it, it's RMS' perogative to do so. Otherwise, this is a forum for discussing matters of the GNOME Foundation. We join this list to talk about the Foundation, and probably not to talk about other things. If people repeatedly want to talk about other things, and not talk about the GNOME Foundation, I think it's appropriate for list admins to moderate those messages. Jim ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 3 April 2015 at 15:57, Bastien Nocera wrote: > So I'm leaving this list. Me too. If I was to troll people about the same uninteresting thing again and again and again I would either get moderated or banned. If anyone wants to reply, please reply to my personal email address. Richard ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as > > it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. > > Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 16:50 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > Yeah, but you are the only person on this list constantly requesting > to > please put a "GNU/" prefix in front of the word "Linux" no matter what > the actual topic of the corresponding thread is, creating > uninteresting > noise for basically everybody on this mailing list who know already > anyway except for the original poster and maybe two more folks. > "Unfortunately" your on-topic postings can be quite interesting and > insightful, so I don't want to ignore just all of your emails. Hi Richard, I agree with the above; it gets annoying for the 99% of us who already understand your thoughts on the name GNU/Linux. (Same applies for "open source" vs. "free software.") Maybe you could move these reminders to your email signature instead, or just reply privately instead of to the entire list. Michael ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 16:57 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > I've had a rather short discussion with the list moderators, and, when > I mentioned that we should filter out mails containing clippy-style "I > think you mean GNU/Linux", I was told: > > I'm strongly against censoring people's mails. Uhm. If the word "censoring" was really used, the person should give https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship a read because asking people to stick to the topic has nothing to do with censorship. This mailing list has a scope what it's meant to be used for. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list says: "discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation as an organization [...] You can post questions/queries about it's administration, activities, events/conferences that concern it (that is, where GNOME is involved or being promoted) and related matters." "related matters" to me does not cover repetitive "You missed the GNU/ prefix in front of the word Linux no matter what the original topic of your posting was" postings. To make this clear: It's right and good if we discuss e.g. conference materials and point out that the terms FLOSS or FOSS are way more correct to use than OSS on such materials in order to not exclude allies / contributors / members of (sub)communities etc. But I'm getting pretty bored and annoyed by erosion of actual thread topics by preaching to the choir on word choices as nearly everybody on this mailing list is already in the choir. > I would argue that one's freedom stops where other people's start. I > shouldn't have to put with this type of trolling on GNOME lists. > > So I'm leaving this list. That is disappointing to hear, but given the above answer I'm also going to unsubscribe from this list to improve the signal/noise ratio of my inbox if there is really no interest in making sure that this list is used for discussing topics that are covered by the list's scope. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 16:50 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 07:03 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision > > when using > > > Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME > > in an > > > incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in > > caps. I > > > know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate > > if you > > > could pay attention to this one as well. > > > > Thank you. I will try to remember. > > > > Note that I'm not the only person who has posted messages saying > > "Gnome". > > Yeah, but you are the only person on this list constantly requesting > to > please put a "GNU/" prefix in front of the word "Linux" no matter > what > the actual topic of the corresponding thread is, creating > uninteresting > noise for basically everybody on this mailing list who know already > anyway except for the original poster and maybe two more folks. > "Unfortunately" your on-topic postings can be quite interesting and > insightful, so I don't want to ignore just all of your emails. > > But as you expect others to be highly interested in spelling details > (you are very free to disagree on my choice of words here), you > might be > expected to put in the same amount of efforts. I've had a rather short discussion with the list moderators, and, when I mentioned that we should filter out mails containing clippy-style "I think you mean GNU/Linux", I was told: > I'm strongly against censoring people's mails. I would argue that one's freedom stops where other people's start. I shouldn't have to put with this type of trolling on GNOME lists. So I'm leaving this list. Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 07:03 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision when using > > Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME in an > > incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in caps. I > > know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate if you > > could pay attention to this one as well. > > Thank you. I will try to remember. > > Note that I'm not the only person who has posted messages saying "Gnome". Yeah, but you are the only person on this list constantly requesting to please put a "GNU/" prefix in front of the word "Linux" no matter what the actual topic of the corresponding thread is, creating uninteresting noise for basically everybody on this mailing list who know already anyway except for the original poster and maybe two more folks. "Unfortunately" your on-topic postings can be quite interesting and insightful, so I don't want to ignore just all of your emails. But as you expect others to be highly interested in spelling details (you are very free to disagree on my choice of words here), you might be expected to put in the same amount of efforts. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> You're consistently calling out people on their imprecision when using > Linux instead of GNU/Linux, yet you seem to often spell GNOME in an > incorrect manner. GNOME is our trademark and it's spelled in caps. I > know you usually pay attention to details, so I'd appreciate if you > could pay attention to this one as well. Thank you. I will try to remember. Note that I'm not the only person who has posted messages saying "Gnome". -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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> We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as > it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should. Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution, so calling it "GNU/Linux" is appropriate. This will help publicize the GNU system, including GNOME. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
