Re: Really professional GNOME videos

2016-03-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mar 28, 2016 9:20 AM, "Michael Catanzaro"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2016-03-27 at 07:53 +, Florian Müllner wrote:
> > Distributions appear in the video in the order of when 3.20 is
> > expected to
> > be included in the distribution.
>
> It's hard to believe that's what's intended. If so, it's very wrong.
> The order depicted in the video is:
>
> Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE
>
> which is correct under no interpretation I can think of.

Alphabetic.

> How could
> Debian possibly be depicted prior to Fedora? If we are counting stable
> distros, then Debian should be towards the end of the list, after even
> Ubuntu. Same for openSUSE:
>
> Arch (April) -> Fedora (June) -> (Ubuntu, October) -> openSUSE?
> (November?) -> Debian (2017) -> openSUSE? (November 2017?)
>
> I do not know where openSUSE goes in relation to Debian, because they
> have the new enterprise base thing going on, and I am not sure what
> their GNOME plans are for the next release. If they release in November
> with GNOME 3.20, then they belong in front of Debian; if they release
> with 3.18 or perhaps 3.16 again, then they belong behind Debian.
>
> Now, if we are counting unstable distros (which I do not think we
> should do), then the order would be:
>
> Fedora rawhide (immediate) -> Arch Gnome-Unstable (already has it) ->
> openSUSE Tumbleweed (probably early April) -> Debian sid (probably this
> spring) -> Ubuntu (probably this summer)
>
> I don't see any way that Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE could
> possibly be interpreted as the correct order, if that graphic is really
> intended to signify the real order.
>
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Re: Yorba Foundation looking to pass on copyrights

2016-03-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Adam,

Thanks for Yorba.

It occurs to me that while GNOME Foundation does not currently own any
copyright, there is no reason why it can't accept a donation such as this.

behdad
On Mar 24, 2016 6:41 PM, "Adam Dingle"  wrote:

> I think an existing free software organization feels like the best home
> for these copyrights.  The organizations that others have mentioned here
> are great leads - I will be in touch with some of them soon.  If none of
> those pan out, I may repost asking if any individual people would be
> interested.  thanks -
>
> adam
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Daniel Espinosa  wrote:
>
> Should be an organization or individuals can step up too?
> El mar. 24, 2016 3:14 PM, "Josh Triplett" 
> escribió:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 04:55:49PM -0400, Adam Dingle wrote:
>> > As some of you know, I founded Yorba, a free software non-profit based
>> in
>> > San Francisco that was active from 2009-2015 and developed a few popular
>> > programs for GNOME including the Shotwell photo manager and the Geary
>> email
>> > client, both of which now live in GNOME git.  These programs are
>> copyrighted
>> > by Yorba and a few external contributors and are licensed under the
>> LGPL.
>> >
>> > Yorba has run out of funding and is winding down - in fact nobody has
>> worked
>> > there since around April 2015.  We now need to shut down the foundation
>> > (which is a California non-profit corporation), but legally we can't do
>> so
>> > while it still holds any assets including the copyrights on its
>> software,
>> > which are considered intellectual property.
>> >
>> > We'd love to find some other free software organization that we can
>> pass our
>> > copyrights on to.  We would sell them for a nominal fee.  In theory the
>> > copyright recipient could defend the LGPL licensing of these programs if
>> > necessary (though I think the likelihood of such a necessity is low).
>> >
>> > My understanding is that GNOME itself does not hold copyrights.  Is
>> anyone
>> > aware of any other free software organization that might be willing and
>> able
>> > to receive our copyrights?  Thanks -
>>
>> You might consider the Free Software Foundation (FSF), Software in the
>> Public
>> Interest (SPI), or the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC).
>>
>> - Josh Triplett
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Re: Affiliation change and stepping down

2015-11-05 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 15-11-05 10:08 AM, Benjamin Berg wrote:
> Actually, the way I read section 8.2.4 combined with 8.4.1 right now it
> seems perfectly sane to argue that Christian could have finished his
> term in office despite the change of affiliation.

Would the board and Christian consider doing this, and also establish
precedent that in the future, only affiliation at the time of candidacy is
relevant to the 40% rule?

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Re: Affiliation change and stepping down

2015-11-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 15-11-03 03:30 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On 10/28/2015 09:22 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> 
>> I take that as a "yes" to the question asked "Does the Board intend to
>> follow a different strategy than to follow the membership's opinion
>> expressed in the election results".
>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, there.
> 
> Since this also came up in a blog post of yours the other day.
> 
> If I recall correctly, it's not a rule for the board to pick someone based on
> election results. It did work like that when Jorge Castro replaced Lucas Rocha
> in 2009.
> However, the very same year Paul Cutler replaced Behdad Esfahbod, even though
> Paul never ran for those elections.

That's correct, but it also was before STV voting was implemented, so it's not
exactly apples to aplles.

> I have no idea who they're picking, but trust the board to select a good
> candidate to fill the vacant seat.
> 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/History
> https://vote.gnome.org/
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Re: You logo

2015-04-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 15-04-03 04:03 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
We will use the distribution Fedora 20 with the environment Gnome 3.12, as
it is already tested and I like that everything is working as it should.
 
 Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution,

I thought it's a GNU/Linux/xorg/texmf/PHP/Perl/Python/HarfBuzz/... distribution.
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Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 13-08-15 07:55 AM, Alexandre Franke wrote:
 Ok, I probably misphrased that since English is not my native
 language. What I meant is that my code being mirrored is not something
 I want to push for, it's not something I consider as needed. That was
 an explanation for the fact that I won't be contributing to a
 gitorious mirror. That didn't mean that having the github mirror is a
 non-issue to me.

Good old love/hate sharing complex that comes with GPL thinking...

More seriously, if you can't articulate the issue you have with it, please
refrain from generating additional work for the sysadmin team.  Makes me feel
fuzzy in my stomach doesn't can't.

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Re: GUADEC videos are available only with nonfree codecs

2013-08-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 13-08-15 06:39 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
 The most important part of the above message is that GUADEC videos are
 actually available!

Indeed.  As one who couldn't attend GUADEC this year I also want to thank the
team to make them available and so fast!  I've watched about ten of the talks
since this morning and am so glad that I could do.

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Re: Boston Summit 2013?

2013-05-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 13-04-30 08:58 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
 
 We are a quirky bunch of people. :-)  We're almost like Bostonians except
 maybe a little more weirder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBt4HlcDUDw

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Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics

2013-01-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Ok everyone.  Now that both sides had a chance to attack each other and defend
themselves, and as Richard constructively agreed to try to remember to change
subject lines in the future, can we please put an end to this and neighboring
threads?  I mean, don't you all have code to write?

Cheers,
behdad


On 13-01-10 02:39 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
 Awaiting now the potential GMail was mentioned, Google is bad! reply.
 
 You seem to be attacking me for things you imagine I might say.
 At least it makes your bias clear.
 
 And since you just raised the issue of GMail, shouldn't you have
 changed the Subject field?  Remember, the thread you're posting in
 started with the accusation that I hijacked a topic by posting
 a single sentence about Ubuntu without changing the Subject field.
 If that makes me a nasty topic hijacker, are you one also?
 
 Perhaps neither of us deserves that accusation.
 
 About GMail I have nothing to say.
 

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Re: Reaching out to Amazon for credit?

2013-01-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 13-01-06 08:49 AM, Alex Launi wrote:
 
 Indeed, we are discussing using proprietary Amazon services here, and yet you
 chose to attack Ubuntu. Please at least keep your zeal relevant.

What's a proprietary service?

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Re: GNOME on Github - Tomboy

2013-01-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 13-01-01 05:32 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
 The URL is: http://github.com/GNOME
 
 And I am the owner, I've been working with the github guys to try to come up
 with self-hosted mirror that does not need me or anyone running scripts, it
 was meant to be a surprise but the github guys have been really busy lately.

+1.  Please also do for freedesktop.org repos!


 
 2013/1/1 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net mailto:ak...@gmx.net
 
 On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 16:27 -0600, Jared Jennings wrote:
  Today I found that GNOME is an organization on Github with several
  repp's.
 
 What's the URL?
 
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Re: Announcing GUADEC 2013 and 2014

2012-11-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12-11-21 03:32 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
 
 During the bidding process, the GNOME Foundation received a second
 outstanding proposal. As a result, the Board of Directors is also pleased
 to announce that GUADEC 2014 will be held in Strasbourg, France. Selecting
 the venue earlier will give the Strasbourg local team more time to prepare
 the conference, which has been asked for by previous organizing teams.

This I think is a great idea.  Congrats to both team, and the directors!

Cheers,
behdad


 
 Have a good holiday to those who celebrate it!
 best,
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Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12-10-15 05:23 AM, Andrea Veri wrote:
 I said *many* people gave their consensus about a possible move but I
 didn't see a *single* mail saying we should stay on GIMPNET for the X,
 Y, Z reason.

Sure, many of us avoid replying +1 to something that someone else has
already said very well.  In this case, to ebassi's messages for example.
Remember, in many discussions there may be a silent majority and a vocal
minority.  That definitely was the case when we were discussing git vs bzr.  A
survey helped there.  For this discussion, I don't see what major benefit this
will have to the project, but on the downside: it's a lot of work, dilutes
identity, and we would lose some if not all of our sense of community.

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Re: A few observations about GIMPNET

2012-10-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12-10-15 06:24 AM, Frederic Peters wrote:
 
  In the past I've joined the #opers channel multiple times asking why
  there was no intention to improve the GIMPNET network but I alwais
  received no answer and as of today I still don't know the real reason
  behind that decision.
 On the opposite I've always had a fast and helpful reaction time on
 #opers, while I joined #freenode last week to ask for my seemingly
 unused nick to be dropped from NickServ, so I could claim it for
 myself, and left after non-helpful comments.

Good point.  Reminds me that I lost my #harfbuzz channel a while ago and my
multiple attempts to reclaim it has been unsuccessful.  Freenode seems to be
seriously understaffed (see for example [1]).  Definitely would be a
regression in terms of support.

behdad

[1] http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
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Re: Changes to the GNOME Foundation Bylaws from 2002

2012-10-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I think Tobias's message missed out some context, so I'll try to fill in from
what I've been hearing as a foundation member.  Note that I'm not on the board
right now and have not been for over two years, and this is my personal
understanding of the situation.

So, I *think* Tobias is not proposing any significant changes to the bylaws.
He's proposing to change the canonical source of the bylaws to the
ReStructured-Text document that he sent, which includes all the amendments to
the original bylaws and minor modifications to adapt to the new format.  See:

 http://people.gnome.org/~tobiasmue/bylaws2012/bylaws-2002-2012.diff

One comment below:

On 10/01/2012 10:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
 
 I wonder what is the rationale behind the following change:
 
 @@ -458,7 +522,7 @@
  Election and Term of Office of Directors 
  -
  
 -1.  Each of the directors shall hold office for one (1) year.
 +1.  Each of the directors shall hold office for one (1) year, or a
 period of up to two (2) years as determined by the Board and announced
 prior to an election being called.

Back in the days, Board terms were aligned to calendar years.  Ie. a new board
was running January to December.  Around 2008ish(?) board decided that it
would be much easier if a new board could take sit at GUADEC instead.  So we
wanted to change the term of one board to shift the phase.  This was against
the bylaws and needed an amendment.  Our lawyers (James Vasile?) recommended
that while changing the bylaws, we change it in a way that would accommodate
similar changes in the future.  Hence the wording that you see.  This is not
new.  This was voted on IIRC and approved, and used, years ago.

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Re: Changes to the GNOME Foundation Bylaws from 2002

2012-10-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 10/02/2012 01:16 AM, Chris Leonard wrote:
 Posting and announcing a diff on bugzilla, waiting about two weeks for
 comment (only a few on the ticket), then asking to move forward.  I am
 not sure I see the procedural issue, what specifically should have
 been done differently?  I'm new here, so I am curious.

It's just missing context.  Would have helped if Tobi's mail included a
reference to his earlier message:

  https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2012-August/msg00047.html

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Re: GNOME Foundation Board Elections Spring 2012 - Preliminary Results

2012-06-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 06/11/2012 08:56 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:

 First, congratulations to all the new Board members, and many thanks to
 all the candidates that didn't make the cut.

Nice list.  Congrats new board, and everyone else who ran.

 Reading the results[1], I saw in round 3:
 Candidate Bastien Nocera was chosen by breaking the tie randomly.
 
 How was this done randomly? What would the results have been if
 Emmanuele was selected as the tie-breaker instead?

It wouldn't have made any difference in this case at all.  In fact, from what
I understand it can never make any difference when breaking ties choosing a
winner.  It *does*, however, when breaking ties eliminating candidates.  See
this short paper for an overview of how it can matter (and why not use
randomness to break ties!):

  http://www.votingmatters.org.uk/ISSUE18/I18P6.PDF

Cheers,
behdad



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 [1]: http://vote.gnome.org/results.php?election_id=17
 
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Re: Facilitating the Integration of Free Software into Academic Courses (was Re: Questions for the board election candidates)

2012-05-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/24/2012 06:49 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
 * They are not familiar with -- and thus not comfortable teaching --
   all the tools we use.
 * They want certainty in terms of assignments and projects.
 * They want predictability with respect to a schedule.
 * They want a curriculum they can follow.
 * They do not want to be pioneers.
 
 BUT, they seem to truly dig the idea other than that.

FWIW, Software Carpentry is one of the more successful experiment I've seen in
the Free Software meets Academic Courses experiments.  Thought I share the 
link:

  http://software-carpentry.org/

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Re: Facilitating the Integration of Free Software into Academic Courses (was Re: Questions for the board election candidates)

2012-05-24 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/24/2012 06:59 PM, Luis Villa wrote:

 FWIW, Software Carpentry is one of the more successful experiment I've seen 
 in
 the Free Software meets Academic Courses experiments.  Thought I share the 
 link:

  http://software-carpentry.org/
 
 Seneca College's collaboration with Mozilla has also, by all accounts,
 been a raging success:
 
 http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Right.  In fact, it seems like Mozilla Foundation is the place to go...  Greg
Wilson (Software Carpentry's lead) works from the Toronto Mozilla offices...

This one too:

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1116533--girls-only-code-writing-camp-hits-toronto


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Re: Brian Cameron - Stepping down from the board

2012-05-22 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/22/2012 09:53 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
 Brian-
 Thanks for your selfless service the past few years. Your dedication,
 including to some of the board's most thankless tasks, has been
 admirable and will be very difficult for the board to replace.

I want to second that.  Having been on the board for a few terms with Brian, I
too fully appreciate all the leadership he has shown over the years lifting
where no one else wanted to.

behdad

 Luis
 
 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com 
 wrote:

 Friends in the GNOME community:

 After serving 4 terms on The GNOME Foundation board of directors, I will
 be stepping down at the end of this term.

 I would like to thank everyone in the community who has supported me
 and allowed me to represent them on this board.  It has been a
 profoundly rewarding and truly inspirational experience to help The
 GNOME Foundation and GNOME community to grow.

 The years that I have served on the board have been exciting and
 productive times.  I am proud to have served as president and secretary;
 to have been involved with the development, release and celebration
 surrounding the GNOME 3 release; and to have helped with the
 development of successful GNOME programs like the Outreach Program for
 Women.  In my time on the board, I have witnessed so much growth within
 the community.  Since then, the GNOME Foundation has hired two executive
 directors, started having successful annual summits in Asia, and has
 more than doubled the number of hackfests held each year.  Just to
 mention a few highlights.

 My stepping down should not be viewed as me becoming less involved
 with GNOME.  I plan to continue working on GNOME for Oracle and expect
 that I will continue helping the GNOME Foundation and community in
 many ways.  I mostly feel that it is just time for me to step down to
 reclaim some of my life back.  4.5 years (including one 18-month term
 in 2008-2009) is a long time to serve on The GNOME Foundation board of
 directors.  I believe that only Jonathan Blandford served as a board
 member for a longer period of time (5 years).

 With the two most senior board members (Germán and myself) both
 stepping down at the end of this term, it is especially important for
 passionate people to serve the community.  So I again encourage people
 who are considering to run for the board to step forward.  It is a great
 way to increase one's involvement with GNOME and free software and to
 help make sure that GNOME continues to rock.

 Brian
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Re: Boston Summit?

2012-04-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/27/2012 07:30 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
 So I realize it's still quite early, but are we planning on having
 the Boston Summit in Boston and over Columbus Day weekend?

Can we have in Toronto please?

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Re: Boston Summit?

2012-04-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/27/2012 11:49 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
 On 04/27/2012 05:35 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 On 04/27/2012 07:30 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
 So I realize it's still quite early, but are we planning on having
 the Boston Summit in Boston and over Columbus Day weekend?
 Can we have in Toronto please?
 Are there any University locations or such we could make use of in Toronto?
 The Montreal one was pretty good and felt like it was a pretty good size for
 the bunch of us.

I was thinking, size permitting, we may even be able to do at Mozilla offices?
 Other than that, yes, there's university space.  York University is
definitely workable, thanks to Chris Tyler.  There's been FUDCon's there.  But
University of Toronto is possible too, and that's downtown.

behdad
(currently hanging out with Lucas, Chris Lord, JP, and others in the Mozilla
Office)

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Re: Boston Summit?

2012-04-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/27/2012 02:18 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
 On 04/27/2012 12:25 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 
 I was thinking, size permitting, we may even be able to do at Mozilla 
 offices?
 
 What were you thinking about the date? Is Columbus Day weekend ideal,
 inconvenient, or irrelevant?

Eventually that's the board's call.  Personally, I can help for any time
before mid October, but late October is Unicode Conference time for me.

behdad

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Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I know I used to be on that mailing list. I don't remember
unsubscribing from it, but I haven't seen communications in quite a
while. But then again, maybe I unsubscribed and I dont remember.

behdad

On 2012-01-17, at 9:36 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote:

Can't these be brought up on proper GNOME lists then? Especially
seeing as there is no public archive for your GNU list.

 We use this list for private discussions about GNU in general.
 Sometimes the issues relate to GNOME, but that doesn't mean
 they're specifically about GNOME.  It would be useful for
 some GNOME developers with responsibility and influence
 to be included.

 In the middle of a broader discussion about internationalization, not
 specifically about GNOME, someone mentioned this:

Another problem I stumbled upon is the new habit of software like
Gnome and/or desktop handlers to use localized names for
directories such as ~/Desktop.  This is a pure nuisance, depending
on my locale ~/Desktop becomes ~/Bureau or ~/Labortablo.

 A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have
 responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever
 is TRT.  It isn't feasible for me, and I don't know who to ask.

 (I think that person was right: learning one English word `Desktop' is
 not much of a burden, and on the other hand, this feature can cause a
 real nuisance for users that use multiple locales.)

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Re: Desktop Summit Planning

2011-12-19 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2011 09:34 AM, Richard Hughes wrote:
 First things first, I'll be happy if we have a GUADEC or a desktop
 summit, both events rocked hard. My preference would be for the
 former, just on the personal belief that I end up doing so much extra
 work for the KDE desktop and get virtually nothing back. It seems to
 me that low level gnome hackers end up doing all the infrastructure
 grunt work in the name of cross-desktop compatibility and then KDE
 either does something different or abstracts it one layer higher. I
 can't think of one system service we use in the GNOME stack that's
 maintained by a KDE person. I can name a dozen GNOME maintainers doing
 the opposite.

Yeah.  That's the sad reality.  To add my perspective on the text rendering
side, I finally got Jiang Jiang's attention to start porting Qt to
HarfBuzz-ng, but in general there's really no attention from the Qt side on
Linux.  Not anymore.

behdad
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Re: Boston Summit logistics (was Re: Desktop Summit Planning)

2011-12-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Can we have next one in Toronto please? :D
I can run.

On 12/16/2011 12:45 PM, john palmieri wrote:
 2011/12/16 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org:
 On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 10:39 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
 Thanks so much for offering to look into this, Richard! I hear that the
 Stata Center was a better location in the past than the Economics 
 Building
 if we have the choice...

 When it was in the Stata Center, which rooms were they?  If I get the
 room numbers, I will know exactly what to ask for.

 From what I can tell from the wiki, we were in the Stata center most
 recently in 2005 and haven't been since.

 Stata Center rooms:
 - Kirsch Auditorium
 - Room 124
 - Room 144
 - Room 154
 - Hallway between those rooms for a registration + food table

 (more details https://live.gnome.org/Boston2005/TheSchedule)

 Alternatively, in 2006 we were in the Media Lab:
 - Bartos Theatre
 - Rothschild Room
 - Wiesner Room
 - Room 235
 - Room 135
 - Room 483A
 - Room 443A
 - Cool Hangout Room

 (more details https://live.gnome.org/Boston2006)

 In 2008, 2009,  2010 we were at the MIT Sloan Tang Center / E51
 Building:
 - E51-315
 - E51-325
 - E51-335
 - E51-345
 - E51-372
 - E51-376
 - Hallway between those rooms for a registration + food table

 (more details https://live.gnome.org/Boston2010)

 I'm not sure which is the economics building (I guess E51?)

 Anyway I hope this list helps.

 ~m
 
 The problem with the Stata Center is it costs money, is harder to book
 and the rooms do not hold as much and usually we need an extra room
 outside the main hall.  The Tang center is usually given to us gratis,
 have huge rooms with AV equipment, no AV setup charges and is usually
 easy to book during the columbus day weekend.  It isn't as sexy as the
 Stata Center but it fits our needs much better.  Also I have to note
 that I think booking for next year doesn't start until February or
 March.
 
 --
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Re: Readability publisher sign-up for *.gnome.org

2011-08-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 08/26/11 20:36, Alan Cox wrote:
 I suspect the most likely sub-domain to be read via Readability is
 blogs.gnome.org, which would raise the question of whether it's right
 for the Gnome Foundation to accept the money from people reading
 Foundation-hosted blog posts. I think it's probably reasonable, but I'm
 just one person writing mundane things. ;)
 
 I would be surprised if the Gnome Foundation had legal authority and
 ownership rights to authorise any redesign of such material as it isn't
 the rightsholder in question.

Well, we are reformating and republishing already.  How's that different?
Just wondering.

behdad

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Re: GNOME trademarks

2010-12-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/08/10 05:34, Andy Wingo wrote:
 On Wed 08 Dec 2010 10:00, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com writes:
 
 If we ever try to sell nuts then we may have a problem.
 
 Presumably we may however offer nuts at an event, though without perhaps
 labelling them as GNOME nuts.
 
 We may feel free to label the attendees as such though, as it is a
 different use of the word.

Just to clarify, label the attendees nuts or GNOME? :)

behdad


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Re: Tee-Shirt Contest Countries Eligibility

2010-11-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 11/18/10 02:11, Richard Stallman wrote:
 It is better than excluding them.

Agreed.

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Re: Tee-Shirt Contest Countries Eligibility

2010-11-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 11/17/10 13:20, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Baptiste Mille-Mathias
 baptiste.millemath...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I've seen the foundation will organize a contest to design a tee-shirt
 for the GNOME 3 release [1], and while reading the terms of the rules
 [2], I found the first part of paragraph 4 particularly unfair to
 people living in some countries.
 GNOME being based on people and openness, I wonder how a Free Software
  Non-profit organisation wouldcomply with such US embargo related
 laws.
 How it could make sense to refuse a proposal for a contest, but coding
 contribution and translations are accepted everyday?

 If there's no way around such restrictions, could it be possible for
 the foundation to look for some way to avoid them in the future (by
 creating a delegation in another country perhaps) ?
 
 For what it's worth, motion strongly seconded.

For what it's worth, GNOME pretty much ignores such regulations in all its
other dealings.  Doesn't necessarily mean that it's violating any law.  It
just doesn't bother checking.  Doing it for such a small contest sounds
overkill to me.

behdad


 These rules sound outright offensive to residents of some countries,
 furthermore they make the GNOME foundation publicly appear to be
 actively supporting US embargo laws.
 
 If it's impossible to change the rules for the term of this contest, we should
 at least include a statement at http://www.gnome.org/contest/ explaining
 why we are bound by law etc, etc, to enforce these particular biased rules...
 and hopefully promising to do better the next time around.
 
 Best regards,
  -Tristan
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Re: Tee-Shirt Contest Countries Eligibility

2010-11-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 11/17/10 13:35, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

 For what it's worth, GNOME pretty much ignores such regulations in all its
 other dealings.  Doesn't necessarily mean that it's violating any law.  It
 just doesn't bother checking.  Doing it for such a small contest sounds
 overkill to me.

Plus, if not paying the winners cash means that we can get away with it, I
suggest we just give them ten tshirts instead of $100.

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - August 19, 2010

2010-09-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 09/03/10 04:48, Dave Neary wrote:
 While I was on the board, I worked with James Vasile on a trademark
 license contract, which should be part of the material the board has,
 for that jeweller, and James tried to make something modular that could
 be reused. That contract has no automatic renewal clause, and ran for an
 X year term (X=2 is set in a prefix). I have the last revision we came
 up with (Stormy should have it too, and it's in board-list archives).
 Let me know if you want me to send it on.

When I was last on board I had started gathering such documents here:

  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoardPrivate/Documents

But can't find them anymore.  Either someone removed that page or I'm not
allowed to see it (which I assumed as a previous board member I would be).

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Re: Candidacy: Seif Lotfy

2010-06-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 06/01/2010 01:08 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote:
 On 6/1/10 10:01 AM, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote:

 Err .. nothing, except my extraordinary ability to mix their names ? :)
 
 You're displaying quite a host of extraordinary abilities this morning.

Can we please stop this subthread now?

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Re: Providing previously missing board meeting minutes

2010-04-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/14/2010 07:20 PM, Brian Cameron wrote:
 So she asked me to flesh out the Wiki
 so it includes links to all meeting minutes back to the year 2000.

This is great Brian.  Thanks!

behdad

 I have done this, refer here:
 
   http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes
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Re: release-announce-list?

2010-03-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 03/23/2010 02:59 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Le mardi 23 mars 2010, à 14:49 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 Hi,

 I want to suggest creating a release-announce-list and use that for new
 package release announcements instead of gnome-announce-list. That would
 significantly reduce the noise on gnome-announce-list for people who are 
 not
 interested in individual package releases.
 
 Stupid question, but what would be left on gnome-announce-list? :-)

Announcement of GNOME releases and press releases, not individual modules.  A
list that a person casually interested in GNOME can hang around on to stay up
to date with GNOME in general.

 Also, do we really need a release-announce-list when we have
 ftp-release-list?

That's what I wonder also.  I stopped sending email announcements long time
ago.  Checking ftp-release-list, I think we should simply move over to that.
Except also advertise external modules to send their release announcements 
there?

behdad

 Vincent
 
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Stepping down from the board

2010-03-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi,

When I decided to run for the foundation board in 2006, many of the old timers
where not running again and there was the feeling that new people are needed
on the board.  The board work has been very educational and rewarding for me,
but given other engagements and all the new, capable, people on the board this
year, I think it's time for me to step down so I can focus on hacking.

The board has decided to appoint Paul Culter to take the seat.  Paul has been
doing wonders on the marketing team, GNOME Journal, and the sysadmin team.
I'm sure this opportunity gives him more ways to contribute to GNOME even more.

Cheers,
behdad
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Re: Stepping down from the board

2010-03-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 03/12/2010 03:54 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

 The board has decided to appoint Paul Cutler to take the seat.

Oops, seems like I misspelled Paul's name.  Fixed now.

behdad
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Re: Stepping down from the board

2010-03-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Thank you all for the nice words.  I hope to remain an approachable member of
the community.  Feel free to drop me a line if I can help with anything.

behdad

On 03/12/2010 07:42 PM, john palmieri wrote:
 Sorry to see you leave Behdad.  You have been a machine on the board. 
 Paul has his work cut out to fill your shoes but knowing Paul and the
 amount of energy he has put into GNOME I have no doubt he is up to the
 challenge.  I'm looking forward to the continuing good works coming out
 of the Board.
 
 On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org
 mailto:beh...@behdad.org wrote:
 
 On 03/12/2010 03:54 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 
  The board has decided to appoint Paul Cutler to take the seat.
 
 Oops, seems like I misspelled Paul's name.  Fixed now.
 
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Re: Resigning from the Board

2010-02-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 02/17/2010 12:36 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
 I hope we can find someone as cheerful and dedicated as you are.

Alberto!  Looks like you didn't read his email completely.  We already found
someone as cheerful and dedicated: Jorge Castro :).

behdad
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Re: [adboard] GNOME Q4 2009 Quarterly report

2010-02-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
The correct links:

http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.pdf
http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.html

behdad

On 02/03/2010 01:27 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
 Corrected links:
 [1] http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.pdf
 http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.pdf
 [2] http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.html
 http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.html
 
 On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org
 mailto:sto...@gnome.org wrote:
 
 The GNOME Foundation would like to present the Q4 2009 Quarterly
 report
 http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.pdf[1]
 (HTML version
 http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.html[2]).
 Q4 is normally a quiet quarter — but not for GNOME! During Q4 we had
 our annual GNOME Asia, GNOME Forum Brazil and Boston Summit events
 as well as a record four hackfests! The Marketing, Zeitgeist, Video
 and WebKitGTK+ teams all made good progress on their goals during
 their hackfests. Next quarter we'll continue the good work with
 hackfests planned in areas like usability and accessibility. GNOME
 will also be represented at a number of events like FOSDEM, SCALE,
 FOSS 2010 Workshop, Open Mobility, Libre Planet and more! In
 addition to events, teams like the System Administration team have
 made a lot of progress — they've installed Piwik, Plone, Splinter,
 and CiviCRM to improve GNOME's infrastructure. This quarter's update
 also includes an update from the GNOME Board of Directors. Read
 on[1] http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q4.pdf
 to hear all of the fabulous work that was done on GNOME in Q4 2009!
 
 If you'd like to receive the report via email in the future, please
 email me with the subject Subscribe to GNOME Quarterly Report via
 email.
 
 Best,
 
 Stormy
 
 [1] http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.pdf
 [2] http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.html
 
 
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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-31 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Been more than two weeks that the petition has been up and it did not attract 
support of 10% of membership as required by the charter.  The request is 
dropped as far as I'm concerned.  Thanks everyone for the support and/or 
useful discussion.


behdad

On 12/18/2009 09:27 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

On 12/15/2009 10:58 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mardi 15 décembre 2009, à 11:57 +0330, Behnam Esfahbod ZWNJ a écrit :

Also, is a referendum really necessary to create a new members-only
mailing list? Noting that becoming membership and participation is
always optional.


It's not necessary to hold a vote to create a list, but I think Behdad's
point by doing this is to see if there's real interest from the
membership.

Behdad, are you fine if we put a time limit for your proposal (2 weeks,
1 month, whatever)? Just to make sure we know when to close the topic in
case there are not enough members signing the petition -- I'd hate to
have someone come again in 2 years and say hey, we now have 50
signatures for this, while we will have all moved on ;-)


Ok, lets wait till Monday. That would be one week.

behdad


Vincent


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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/15/2009 10:58 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mardi 15 décembre 2009, à 11:57 +0330, Behnam Esfahbod ZWNJ a écrit :

Also, is a referendum really necessary to create a new members-only
mailing list?  Noting that becoming membership and participation is
always optional.


It's not necessary to hold a vote to create a list, but I think Behdad's
point by doing this is to see if there's real interest from the
membership.

Behdad, are you fine if we put a time limit for your proposal (2 weeks,
1 month, whatever)? Just to make sure we know when to close the topic in
case there are not enough members signing the petition -- I'd hate to
have someone come again in 2 years and say hey, we now have 50
signatures for this, while we will have all moved on ;-)


Ok, lets wait till Monday.  That would be one week.

behdad


Vincent


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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/15/2009 08:52 AM, Og Maciel wrote:

Since there isn't a place to do this that I'm aware, here is my vote
against this petition. For the same reasons that many here have
already expressed, I want to keep GNOME open for everyone. And even
though GNOME != GNOME Foundation when it comes down to our code, GNOME
== GNOME Foundation when it comes down to all other aspects, including
openness, tolerance and fairness.


I'll respond to the other posts in the thread later.  Just a quick note on the 
procedure though: we are not voting on the proposal yet.  Right now I'm just 
gathering support to propose voting on the issue.


Given the excellent comments so far, I'm leaning towards retracting the 
proposal.  However, there's quite a few others who support it now.  So I let 
it move forward naturally.


Cheers,
behdad



Cheers,

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:


Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have
the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of
the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of
the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with the FSF, and we're all fine this
way.


Humm, *now* I'm confused.  What does it mean that The GNOME Foundation is 
part of the FSF?


As for GNOME being a GNU project, what that means is explained here:

  http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html

behdad

 (Note that the FSF is an advisory board member of the GNOME

Foundation, though, and it's valuable one that we're happy to have). I
think Andy wrote more on this [1], but I didn't take the time to read
his post so I won't put words in his mouth :-)

Cheers,

Vincent

[1] http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/12/13/gnu-gnome-and-the-fsf


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/14/2009 05:26 PM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:

But what if advocating free software means that the minimal support
GNOME should do for GNU, is to claim that proprietary is illegitimate?


Exactly.

I have been supporting Free Software for over ten years, and will probably do 
for the rest of my life.  But, as an Iranian witnessing what's going on in 
Iran right now, I can't agree to any kind of anti-something or 
against-something or death-to-something.  Tolerance is key.  When someone asks 
me so why should I use GNOME instead of KDE, or why should I use Linux 
instead of Windows, my only reply is use whatever works better for you. 
I'm sick of fanaticism, and my friends in Iran are being beaten and killed 
because of it.  I can't justify being a fanatic when it comes to software freedom.


These days, Free Software does many things better than the alternatives.  Many 
of my friends use it because they find it better.  And that simply makes me 
happy.  But when someone chooses to use OS X, I respect their freedom of choice.


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Re: Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/14/2009 05:26 PM, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin wrote:

On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 22:56 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:

Should we just version the Code of Conduct? Or is this
a non-issue?


I believe we don't need to update the Code since those 2 additions are
expected behaviours from the existing Be respectful and considerate
element.

Maybe should these 2 additions be added to a list of example behaviours
that serve the code?


Makes more sense.

behdad


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership (Summary)

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/14/2009 07:41 PM, Lucas Rocha wrote:

- Learn to agree to disagree.
- Criticize ideas, not people presenting them.

Pierre suggested that both items are added to the list of example
behaviours under Be respectful and considerate. This is something
that should be officially proposed for general consideration. Behdad,
maybe you could do that? :-)


I will, except that I don't know what the process to do that is.  Just post to 
f-l?  How would we make a decision?  Or gather 10% to put it to vote?


behdad
noticing that we don't have much process in place, and that may or may not be 
a good thing

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Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

[/me removes board hat]

Hi everyone,

I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make 
foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation 
members.  If we make that change we would be able to discuss matters freely 
without making lots of news that more often than not are harmful to our image 
to the world in general.


Please sign here:  http://live.gnome.org/PrivateFoundationListPetition

We would need 35 to 40 signatures to put this to vote.


Cheers,
behdad
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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/14/2009 10:20 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:


As long as GNOME is a project that matters, there will always be bozos
who will post uneducated articles about what you are doing.  If your
discussions are in the open, people who really care can see what was
*really* said and help to keep those bozos (people like me) honest.  If
you hide behind closed doors, the bozos get the last word.  Articles
about GNOME will be less frequent, less accurate, and less likely to be
corrected.  Is that really what you want?


When you put it that way, no, that's not what I want :).  I understand that 
there is value in keeping most discussions in the open.  I still see 
legitimate uses for a foundation-private list though.  For meta-discussions 
mostly.


behdad


jon


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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/15/2009 12:23 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote:


In any case, journalist-impersonators like Mr. Varghese are going to write a
load of smack, no matter what, even if they have to simply invent it. After
all, they have in the past.


Given that all the past incidents I can think of involve that same person, I 
tend to agree that this may be a non-issue.


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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/15/2009 01:50 AM, Sergey Panov wrote:


  Politics aside, what was  Lefty(Open source advocate for ACCESS Co.,
Ltd.) and Philip Van Hoof (self-appointed propitiatory software
advocate) contribution to GNOME in the last year? Are those two still
members of the foundation?


As per Code of Conduct, please assume people mean well.  Which both Lefty and 
Philip do.  Philip is a major developer of many current and emerging GNOME 
technologies.  Lefty represents ACCESS in the Advisory board and is a regular 
contributor to the adboard meetings as well as being a regular at GUADEC and 
other GNOME conferences.  FWIW, just being a regular at GUADEC is enough 
contribution to apply for Foundation membership.  We have that in our rules 
and we have accepted members just passing that criteria.


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/13/2009 06:04 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote:

In the interests of a broader collection of data, I've shelled out of my own
pocket to set up a professional-level SurveyMonkey account (the use of which
I will happily share with the Foundation, at least until the annual
subscription runs out, if it wishes to conduct surveys of its own).


Err.  Next time just let me know!

If people remember, I set up a survey system (LimeSurvey; Free Software) on my 
GNOME account to run the DVCS survey.  We later used that to do the Desktop 
Summit survey.  I'm offering it to all Foundation members now: if you need 
something surveyed Foundation-wide, just ask and I'll set you up with an account.


At some point I may hook it up to LDAP and let people freely use it.  But 
we're currently far from having a single gnome.org account...


Cheers,
behdad
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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/11/2009 11:32 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote:

Philip van Hoof writes


I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project.


I'd second this.


Quick procedural note: If you really want to pursue this, according to the 
bylaws you need support of 5% of the membership IIRC to put something to vote. 
 I'm not sure the vote would be binding though.


I thought I point that out since that's your rights as members of the 
foundation.  That said, I agree with Dave.


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/11/2009 01:14 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org
mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote:


There is precedent for a membership petition for an election. I ran one
to have the board size reduced some years ago:
http://live.gnome.org/BoardSizePetition

At the time I was told I needed 10% of the membership:

http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ says 10%. I couldn't find a
reference to either number in the bylaws.


You're right.  My bad.  I was misremembering.  The bylaws say 5% is needed to 
call for a meeting, something like that.


behdad



Stormy

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/09/2009 09:07 AM, Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:



about their work and appear on Planet GNOME. There's nothing wrong with
that. Same goes for Nokia and many other companies involved.


I wonder if there's a misunderstanding here.  No one said that companies
shouldn't be allowed to post.

Richard said that Planet GNOME shouldn't be used to promote non-free
software (i.e. software that denies freedom by witholding source code or
witholding permission to use/modify/distribute).


But mono *is* Free Software according to the FSF definition!

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/09/2009 08:48 AM, Lionel Dricot wrote:


I don't agree at all with the current direction of the discussion. For me,
pgo is about people.

Yes, I'm interested to learn that Nat will soon get married. Yes, I'm
interested to hear about Mandriva on Frédéric's posts because I don't use
it at all but at least I keep an eye on it thanks to his blog. Even the
mono-bashism of Miguel is sometimes interesting : it allows me to know what
is happening when I want to know. I like to practise my Dutch by reading
Reinout's post and to see if UTF-8 works correctly when seeing Indian's
poems.

I'm happy to meet a fellow GNOME developer at FOSDEM and saying : So, you
like Karaté/Running/Vegan Cooking ?.

I know some planets that choose to have a code of conduct about what
should be posted or not (like planet Ubuntu-f or planet-libre.org). They
all ended by not selecting the people on a quality basis but selecting
posts that respect the subject of the planet. It results in very-low
quality planet, not interesting and, more importantly, without any soul,
any spirit.

Planet.gnome has a spirit. There's something (called it soul if you
want). Don't break it. Remember planet.climate-change joke? That was huge
and enjoyable.


EXACTLY.  EXACTLY.  EXACTLY.



My solution is the following :

- Each GNOME member should be able to add his feed to pgo. He might want
to change his feed whenever he wants to take a more specialized one or not.

- Each year, a mail is sent to those member asking if they want to stay on
pgo and if they consider themselves still on-topic.


Lets limit it to a reminder that you're on PGO.  if you want to be removed, 
email xxx if we have to do something like that.


behdad


But don't clean whiter than white. There's always off-topic stuffs or
stuff you don't want to read. Just don't read them. Richard don't want to
read stuffs about Mono? I understand, it's his choice and I respect it.
He's not forced to read them. GNOME is about people. Sometimes, people are
doing other stuffs than free software coding (aren't you?). When I'm at
work, I often talk with co-worker about sports, about what I will eat
tonight. When I go to #gnome-hackers, often the discussion is completely
off-topic. Last night, on #gtg, I discussed about chocolates with someone
arguing that there's good chocolate in Italy (can you believe that?). It
was fun. I'm in GNOME because it's fun. GNOME is fun. PGO is fun.

Please, please, please, keep the fun. World is collapsing? It's doing that
for 2.000.000 years already! So, keep the fun…

Lionel


On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:27:43 +0100, Frederic Crozatfcro...@mandriva.com
wrote:

Le 08/12/2009 16:08, sankarshan a écrit :

2009/12/8 Pierre-Luc Beaudoinpierre-...@pierlux.com:

On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

But I find it interesting to know, say, what Miguel is up to these
days. I don't think it's just me...


I don't believe Frederic was pointing at Miguel.  There are people who
have left the Gnome community working on products that don't use any
Gnome technology posting blog post/ads for said product on PGO.


[0] Unless specific names are pointed out to the Board or, on this
list, the shadow boxing will be more harmful


So, let's start (this is list done quickly by me and I haven't contacted



anybody from it), as basis:

- Robert Love
- Christopher Blizzard
- Miguel De Icaza
- Nat Friedman
- Daniel Veillard
- Edd Dumbill
- Glynn Foster
- James Henstridge
- Jeff Waugh
- Mark McLoughlin
- Scott James Remnant



[1] How does one define that they have left the GNOME community ?


this list is based on people either no longer blogging at all or not
blogging about GNOME and not being active in GNOME. I don't have any
problem about people who blogs about non-political oriented things in
their life, as long as GNOME is one of those things...

I'm not even sure I should still be on Planet GNOME (even if I'm release



team member), since most of my posts aren't about GNOME but about the
distribution I work on. And I sometime feels those posts could be seen
as propaganda for my distribution.

Regarding what bedhad said, nothing prevent people to read those people
blog outside Planet GNOME (like Planet Mono or anything else).

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/07/2009 01:32 PM, Frederic Crozat wrote:

Le 27/11/2009 10:53, Murray Cumming a écrit :

On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 16:50 -0200, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:

Alternative proposal: lets deal with the problem at hand and get our
story straight about what is planet.gnome.org, what can be posted
there (i.e. no porn and vulgar language etc.) and how we can help
to enforce a reasonably exact policy on an exact resource which
is planet.gnome.org.


planet.gnome.org is hard to moderate. Editors can only remove an entire
blog. It would be easier if the software allowed the existing editors to
remove a single blog post.


Let's be honest too : there are a bunch of people which used to be
active GNOME members, who changed their focus to other projects and are
still in Planet GNOME for no reason. Maybe PGO editors should start
cleaning the old cruft (no offense intended)..


But I find it interesting to know, say, what Miguel is up to these days.
I don't think it's just me...

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/09/2009 01:37 AM, Sankar P wrote:


Say, any viewer of p.g.o can vote a post +1 or -1.  Then we can gather two
metrics per poster: 1) how impactful his/her posts are (avg / median / max
number of votes).  2) how interested are readers in his/her posts (avg /
median / min/max score.

We can then have threshold to hide / collapse unpopular posts.  That part
can even be done using JavaScript and you can the threshold on the page and
more posts will collapse/uncollapse...



Really ? Most people read posts in Google reader (offline) and may not
even be interested to vote for every author.


No one *has* to vote.  And we can have different feeds for different thresholds.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/09/2009 01:56 AM, sankarshan wrote:

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Behdad Esfahbodbeh...@behdad.org  wrote:

On 12/09/2009 01:37 AM, Sankar P wrote:


Say, any viewer of p.g.o can vote a post +1 or -1.  Then we can gather
two
metrics per poster: 1) how impactful his/her posts are (avg / median /
max
number of votes).  2) how interested are readers in his/her posts (avg /
median / min/max score.

We can then have threshold to hide / collapse unpopular posts.  That part
can even be done using JavaScript and you can the threshold on the page
and
more posts will collapse/uncollapse...



Really ? Most people read posts in Google reader (offline) and may not
even be interested to vote for every author.


No one *has* to vote.  And we can have different feeds for different
thresholds.


Coming back to the starting point - what is the problem to which the
solution is being discussed ?


Read the thread?

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 12/09/2009 02:25 AM, sankarshan wrote:

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Behdad Esfahbodbeh...@behdad.org  wrote:


Coming back to the starting point - what is the problem to which the
solution is being discussed ?


Read the thread?


I have been following the thread since the inception. The intent of
the (rhetorical ?) question was to bring forth the fact that we are
discussing solutions of myriad variety without looking at whether it
can be solved non-programmatically. Hence, the question.


The immediate question I was responding to was whethere/how blog posts of 
people not involved with GNOME anymore / not part of the GNOME community 
should be removed from PGO.  I think what I proposed is an adequate solution 
to that.


Sure it doesn't fix many other problems raised in the thread.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

I'm trying to stay out of the discussion at least today.  But:

On 11/25/2009 12:49 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

Hi,

Lionel Dricot wrote:

Do you think that many people were turned out of the GNOME community
because of an hostile experience? I don't think so.  (I might be wrong, I
just never met anybody that has a bad experience).


Some names of good contributors who have drifted away from GNOME, at
least partly because of the tone of discourse:


This is entirely misleading.  at least partly doesn't mean anything.  Is 
this the ten people you said you can name off the top of your head?   Other 
than Telsa and partially Ross, have any other ones expressed to you or 
publicly that they left GNOME at least partly because of the tone of 
discourse?  And when did Jorge drifted away from GNOME?  Last I checked he 
was around just fine.  And Google blackhole had no part?




Dave Camp
Seth Nickell
Alex Graveley
Telsa Gwynne
Jacob Berkmann
Ross Golder
Daniel Veillard
Joe Shaw
Jorge Castro

Another bunch of people who are still around the free software world,
but who no longer consider themselves GNOME community members - I can't
speak to their motivations, of course:

Nat Friedman
Miguel de Icaza
Glynn Foster
Jeff Waugh
Jody Goldberg
Bill Hanneman
Malcolm Tredinnick
Mark McLoughlin
George Lebl

Some of these people are still members of the foundation, but none of
them have been seen around for a long while.


You have an assumption that when in, people are supposed to stay in for the 
rest of their life.  That assumption is wrong.  People come and go all the 
time.  People move away and work on different things.  Either because of their 
job changes or changing personal interest, or for a whole variety of other 
reasons.  If you want to count all the hackers who once hacked on GNOME but 
don't anymore go ahead, but don't use that to wrongly justify your point.



Cheers,
behdad


Acceptable collateral damage for having unfettered freedom of speech?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 11/25/2009 01:50 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:


Alternative proposal: lets deal with the problem at hand and get our
story straight about what is planet.gnome.org, what can be posted
there (i.e. no porn and vulgar language etc.) and how we can help
to enforce a reasonably exact policy on an exact resource which
is planet.gnome.org.


Well, that misses the main issue.  Spam and p0rn are easy, and need no writing 
down.  Where it gets though is criticism, expression of frustration, those 
kind of stuff.  Those have most impact on the community and have caused people 
leave the project for.


To make the discussion more practical, lets take one real incident of the 
past:  Murray's blog re Jeff.  It did not include vulgar language.  It did 
include exaggerations that turned into libel.  Now how does any proposed 
solution deal with that?


If you propose CoC should be enforceable (which I personally strictly oppose: 
when there *is* a law, someone will eventually abuse it.) how do you define 
what be nice means?  Does it mean I shouldn't offend anyone?  Or is it that 
the majority should not find my action was offensive?  Or foundation members 
not find it offensive?  Or general public?  etc etc etc.


I like specific answer to how would your proposed solution would address this 
past incident, if it happened again? from anyone proposing a solution.


And for those who just keep saying again and again that there should be an 
enforcement without ever offering how to get there, well, thanks, we heard 
you many times :).


behdad



Cheers,
   -Tristan


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 11/25/2009 02:18 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org
mailto:beh...@behdad.org wrote:

To make the discussion more practical, lets take one real incident
of the past:  Murray's blog re Jeff.  It did not include vulgar
language.  It did include exaggerations that turned into libel.  Now
how does any proposed solution deal with that?

...

I like specific answer to how would your proposed solution would
address this past incident, if it happened again? from anyone
proposing a solution.


Action: Jeff refers his complaint to the membership committee, MC agrees
it was out of bounds, and sends a warning to Murray (first offence).

End result: Jeff feels vindicated in his belief that he was wronged and
is feels that any further attacks are unlikely as the Foundation (via
MC) makes it clear, publicly, that this attack was out of bounds and
that any further attack of that time will result in actual suspension of
privileges.

How does this not improve on what we have now?


I'm guessing that Jeff would not have bothered to play cop and the end result 
would have been as it is today, plus a first offence for Murray.  I'm not 
sure the end result would have been much different.


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:

It's only IRC and DDL that are really the outliers, it seems, and there
there is enough social pressure, combined with ignore/kill lists, that I
don't really see all the fuss.


And foundation list?  Just saying each maintainer should solve this on their 
own does not make the problem go away, it just puts the burden on multiple 
people.  And then when those maintainers fail to react, the issue typically 
escalates to the board, and we're back to square 1 again.  So, however we 
solve this, it's good to solve it on the foundation level once.


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 11/25/2009 02:33 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:


I understand your point but I do think it would have made Jeff feel a
little better, even if it were someone else that referred the event to
the MC.

In any case, I think we are straying slight from what we actually want:
to prevent such attacks from happening in the first place; by explicitly
stating that all GNOME communication forums come with this implicit
terms of use, we decrease the probability of bad behaviour before it
ever happens.


Well, what we want is really:

  1. Our communication channels maintaining a upbeat tune and high 
signal-to-noise,


  2. Attract people and not lose many.

Now one way to achieve this is policing, but that's hardly the only way.

What I want to propose / see instead is to make it more clear that:

  1. People speak on their own behalf, not on behalf of GNOME.  Unless they 
ARE talking on behalf of GNOME (say, board, release team, etc),


  2. Like it or not, there exist people out there who are rude, can be 
offensive, etc.  They are out there in real life, and they are there in 
cyberspace.  Just know who they are and ignore them.


  3. Most of the time, a vocal minority does not speak for the majority.

  4. In any kind of discussion and/or medium, one should learn who's words 
matter.  Is he the maintainer of the module?  Is he a developer?  Does he 
generally offer useful insight?  Does he know what he's talking about?  Do 
others take this person seriously?  When you learn to ignore the noise, life 
is beautiful again.



I also like to see two more ideas added to CoC:

  - Learn to agree to disagree.

  - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them.


Back to the Murray case, with my recommendation, everything would have 
happened the way it did.  Only that we'd try to make it more clear (on PGO in 
this case) that his views do not represent GNOME's or the majority of GNOME 
contributors.  Just need to accept that it sometimes happens.  What I found 
more disappointing in that particular incident was the flow of +1 and 
Thanks you messages Murray received on PGO.  If that's really who we are, 
well, why police it?  Like what I read once: Please be a dick if that's who 
you are.



Anyway, that's my feeling about the subject.

behdad




That's not to mention never having to have this thread come up again. :)


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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 11/25/2009 05:57 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:


Well, I withdraw my proposed amendment to the CoC as there has been no
support for it and I'm not entirely happy with it as written, either.
But, while I agree that the above would be welcome additions to the CoC,
I don't think this helps us answer what to do when the board is contacted.


What I'm suggesting is that when the board is contacted, it would respond: 
Not our job.   We won't intervene.


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Re: Presenting the 2009 Q2 GNOME Quarterly Report

2009-09-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

Stormy,

This is great!  Thanks for everyone involved in preparing it.

Cheers,
behdad

On 09/11/2009 11:51 AM, Stormy Peters wrote:

Hi GNOME Foundation members and fans,

This is our first quarterly report[1]. Please let us know if you find it
useful!

In these quarterly reports we want to focus on what the GNOME Foundation
and its members are doing, so most of the reporting is done by the teams
doing the work. (If you would like to contribute an update in the
future, please let me know.) For example, in the quarterly report, you
can learn how:

* our new system administration team is already hard at work on
  projects like switching the version control system to git,
* the bugsquad team closed 12,549 bugs in Q2,
* the release team put out 2.26.0 and announced GNOME 3.0,
* the marketing team announced plans for a GNOME store, a press team
  and a GNOME 3.0 campaign, and
* our extended community raised $12,392 through Friends of GNOME!

Read about all this and more - our members have been busy working on a
free desktop accessible for everyone!

A big thanks to all the GNOME Foundation members, GNOME contributors and
our Friends of GNOME for a successful second quarter of 2009!

Best,

Stormy

[1] Attached and at
http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q2.pdf

--
Stormy Peters
Executive Director
GNOME Foundation




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Re: Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

2009-08-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 08/12/2009 09:22 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:

Maybe if the foundation's board would more clearly articulate why
exactly we can't do a co-located event*next*  year, they'll convince the
community about their decision? Why didn't they?


My personal view as a board member:

Individual board members talked to various people to get a sense of what 
people are concerned about.  For me, for example, I was personally very 
excited about the event and almost everyone I talked to wanted to see us doing 
it again next year.  Given the survey results, seems like I'm only connected 
to about 55% of the community ;-).


So, we knew that a slight majority of the community wants to do it again next 
year, but there is also a non-negligible part that prefers to not do it again 
next year, perhaps do again the year after or whenever else it seems appropriate.


Then we have to consider the logistics of doing it.  It's no unknown fact that 
running GUADEC is a HARD task.  What's not very widely known is running a 
co-located event is *even* harder.  If we keep doing it, we eventually will 
gain from learning by doing and only then can start to see positive returns to 
scale, but in the short term, say next year, the total experience would have 
been inferior to a non-colocated event.


Let me rephrase it.  This is what I said on the board call:  I don't see us 
(on the GNOME side) putting a lot more effort on the event next year, so I 
don't think we will fix most issues with this year's event.  So I'd rather we 
do a Rocking GUADEC instead, give us some more time to get closer to KDE by 
doing smaller events, and hopefully do a joint event later when we have a 
closer working relationship.


It's not to say that the event this year didn't really rock.  It did.  But the 
GNOME scheduling for example, was inferior to any GUADEC I've seen.

(Yes, I can be blamed for that.)


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Re: Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

2009-08-12 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 08/12/2009 04:08 PM, Quim Gil wrote:

 Speaking clearly, I wonder what weight in people's opinions (in the
 polls and the board meembers) had the Qt branding in badge, towel,
 roll-up ad in the main entrance, etc. Many GNOME people said they
 didn't felt 'at home' in such context. But that is something easy to
 solve in future editions.

It didn't help, but at least for me, it wasn't a huge factor.  I'm clearly in 
favor of colocated event, but I think GUADEC would suffer if we do it again 
next year.



On 08/12/2009 04:22 PM, Og Maciel wrote:

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Quim Gilquim...@gmail.com  wrote:

Actually many GNOME people that was not enthusiastic about a second
joint summit mentioned that one of the problems was that the agenda
didn't help meeting peers with similar interests from the other side.
Something that could be achieved with a better organization of the
agenda, based on this year's experience.


That was exactly my feeling as well. Even though we had both GNOME and
KDE people in attendance in the same place, all sessions were
segregated. I believe someone else mentioned that having
desktop-agnostic tracks would have allowed everyone to see what is
going on with banshee, amarok, etc and allow for some much needed
information sharing.


Agreed.  The scheduling was suboptimal for a number of reasons.  One being 
that early on we decided to have two separate program committees.  This is 
because we wanted to keep the conferences separate.  We did allocate twenty 
slots for XD talks to be selected by both committees, but that was compressed 
in one morning.  Another reason being that we didn't have a definite list of 
available rooms and sizes until very last minute (move to the university, etc).


All these will improve over time, but my personal opinion, having been 
involved in the last two GUADEC organization teams, is that we can't do a 
*much* better job for next year.  When you go from GUADEC alone to co-located, 
it goes from one entity (GUADEC organizers have been GNOME contributors with 
interests aligned with that of GNOME in general) to three entities: GNOME, 
KDE, local team, each with differing interests.




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Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

2009-06-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

Is it just not a good year to have elections? :)

behdad

On 06/25/2009 12:30 PM, john palmieri wrote:



On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org
mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote:

Hi,


The way forward seems clear to me - the membership committee decides
what counting method will be used, announces it, and we count the
election according to that means. There doesn't need to be a crisis
here.


Deciding on the correct method after the elections seems a bit off to
me.  A member who voted should know exactly how their vote is going to
be counted before the ballot is cast.  If different methods reach
different conclusions then that is a crisis because the membership
committee would be free to choose the one which fits their agenda the
most (not that I feel there is an agenda but the possibility leaves
doubt on the validity of the results).

If in fact it is a bug in OpenSTV and not a disagreement on how votes
should be counted then that is an acceptable reason to move forward with
certifying the vote.

If it is a disagreement on how votes should be counted then the vote is
flawed and I propose we have a runoff between the candidates who were on
one list but not the other.

Going forward we must make sure to document the complete procedure used
in detail and make sure it doesn't fluctuate from election to election.
I do suggest having test cases we can run through any software used to
guarantee results stay consistent from year to year.

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Re: irc board meetings?

2009-06-11 Thread Behdad Esfahbod


On 06/11/2009 04:16 PM, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin wrote:

On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 11:12 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:

I understand it every

other board meeting is held in public-but-moderated IRC; transcripts
are cleaned up and made available later.

That sounds like a good idea to me, if people in the Foundation
community would be interested in participating.


Moderated would mean only the board members would be able to talk in
that channel ;-) so they wouldn't be able to participate but only
attend.


In such setups, there's typically a separate channel that other can talk and 
ask questions and comment, and a moderator reflects those in the meeting channel.


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Re: Questions for the candidates

2009-06-10 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 06/09/2009 11:31 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:


What do you think GNOME should do to support the
broader cause of free/libre software,
and the freedom of computer users?


I think the look, our source code is Free Software argument has lost a
lot of appeal in where GNOME has headed in the past and continues to
head. Free-ness is just one of the multiple reasons why GNOME is Good.
Usability, a11y, i18n, etc are equally important. So I don't think GNOME
can afford supporting the free/libre software cause more than, say, FSF
does.


Reading this after a good night's sleep, I think I didn't exactly write what I 
mean.  What I mean is:


While freedom is not our only selling point from a marketing point of view, 
it's perhaps the most important ingredient of how GNOME works, and we should 
embrace it where we can.  I support GNOME's involvement with the broader cause 
of software freedom.  I like us get more involved in issues like software 
patents or DRM, perhaps by partnering with FSF.  Thinking about it with my 
board hat on though, chances of that happening will be much much higher if FSF 
just asked us.  We never got any request, and well, been busy enough with 
other stuff.


behdad


On the freedom side however, that's where GNOME cares. A lot. Open
standards, open formats, no lock-in, etc, are *very* important to
achieve our goals of usability, a11y, etc, and I like to see GNOME work
more closely with FSF and other parties on fighting against free
standards issues as well as freedom of owning one's data.

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Re: Questions for the candidates

2009-06-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

Hi Everyone,

I'm late to the party; man, did I ever know elections can be so exhausting? 
And so much fun?!  Oh wait, I don't mean this one.  I mean the Iran 
presidential elections on Friday later this week...   Normally that even 
doesn't change my schedule, but for reasons that are better postponed to a PGO 
blogpost, it ate ALL of my weekend and is still giving me a fuzzy feeling this 
week.


Anyway, I apologize for replying so late.  I was counting the number of people 
who have replied to da Q's and it always looked like a couple or so.  Time 
flies...  So here we go.



Questions
-

  1. For outgoing board members: what have been the upsides/good things
from your previous stint at the Board which you would  like to see
carried forward into this term ?


As I noted in the previous threads, I think the current board had a very 
productive balance.  Things where not falling on the floor anymore, no one 
felt burned out, and I personally felt very happy being on the board.  Now, 
that's mostly because of all the trouble Stormy took off the board's shoulder, 
but also because as a board we developed simple rules and tricks to improve 
our own productivity, and that's what I like to see carried forward into this 
term.  I give three examples:


  - In previous boards (specially when there were 11 seats), there was this 
problem where decisions couldn't be made on time because not enough directors 
replied to a proposal.  Durin the 2007 board we developed, and during 2008 we 
perfected, this protocol of replying with whatever comments we may have, but 
include one of +1, -1, or +0 as our binding vote.  When a decision 
receives four +1's, the proposer automatically takes that as an approval and 
moves on.  More recently we even started replying +1=1, then next person 
would do +1=2, etc.  You get the idea.  Problem solved.


  - Da board typically meets every other week.  In the past there have been 
times where people misremembered which week we were in is it the off week or 
the on?, or totally forgot the meeting, or had the wrong week in their 
calendar because we ended up canceling a meeting because only two people 
called in...  Anyway, to solve that, in one such meeting, we decided that I'll 
send a meeting reminder on the Monday of the week we are supposed to meet.  I 
added a reminder to my calendar and have been sending the reminders, asking 
Meeting this week.  Who'll be there?  New agenda items?  And that simple 
one-line email every other week did it.  Now when we meet we know who is 
supposed to be there and who can't make it.  Problem solved.


  - I understand that it has been accepted for a board member to be away from 
board happenings for an extended period of time.  But in the recent while, 
we've developed an expectation of people notifying the other board members if 
they cannot commit their fair share to the board for a period of weeks, and 
that has been very helpful not blocking on individuals and getting things 
done.  Again, problem solved.


To summarize, while it feels so good to think oh great, seven of these 10 
slaves^Wcandidates will become directors and then everything is their problem 
to fix, it's simply not how it happens.  We don't have any superpowers.  At 
least I dont :-).  What I can offer however is 1) keeping the board functional 
no matter how busy I am, and 2) offering my judgment.




  2. If you are a new candidate: what specific SMART
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_(project_management)) goals would
you like to put for yourself? Or, in other words, how would you like
to measure yourself and, let others know how you are doing ?


Haha, don't have to answer this one :-D.  Poor new guys.



  3. What part of being a board member do you think will be most
difficult for you? How do you plan to compensate for that?


I've only been on the board for 2.5 years now, but when you think about it: I 
started as a first-timer in a board that had decision-making problems, 6 
months in the treasurer resigned, and two months later the president.  Same 
year I guess, I dropped the ball on the ECMA34 press release thing.  And while 
jdub and other directors saved my a** by never pointing fingers at me, it left 
a deep mark on my mind.  I like to think that I've learned a lot from that 
experience.  And then, the board work is simply much lighter these days, 
thanks to Rosanna and Stormy taking over most of the non-hacker-friendly 
tasks.  So I find the actual work quite pleasing these days.  The biggest 
problem is still finding time for it.


I recently started a part-time MBA program on the side.  So my *free* time is 
definitely nonexistent.  However, in the 6 weeks that I've been in the 
program, I find myself Getting more Things Done.  And when I look at it, it's 
obvious why: when I don't have much time at my hand, I actually weight things 
first before committing time to them.  That has resulted in *way* less 
procrastinating.  And let me assure you, 

Re: So what do people *except* me want from the foundation?

2009-06-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 06/02/2009 12:57 PM, Ruben Vermeersch wrote:

On di, 2009-06-02 at 14:25 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:

 What do you expect from the foundation?


Last year at GUADEC during the Foundation BOF, the question was raised
as to why the GNOME Foundation keeps its entire finances in a US bank
account (and thus in US Dollars). This also means that quite a lot of
money gets lost due to currency conversions (especially now that the
Euro is growing stronger again). Especially because some of the sponsors
are based in Europe, as well as GUADEC, this amount can be quite
substantial. The proposal was to have a second bank account in Euros, to
avoid this.

Has any action being taken on looking into this and if not, could this
become a task for the next board? If the economy is as bad as the news
wants us to believe, squeezing out every penny will help, so it might be
worthwhile to investigate if this is worth doing.


I remember bringing this up in a board meeting after GUADEC with Rosanna to 
see if our current bank allows opening a Euros account.  I don't remember the 
exact situation.  I have a vague memory that we were in the process of 
changing banks then.


This is something we should still consider, but it doesn't affect this year's 
GUADEC since GUADEC funds are not going through Foundation account right now.


behdad



Ruben


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Re: What do you think of the foundation?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Note: this is a personal response.  I  may disclose information only available 
to the board, but in no way any line in this message represents board's opinion.



On 05/28/2009 12:25 PM, Dave Neary wrote:


So - this is perhaps not the best time to start this discussion, but
then again maybe it's absolutely the best time. This is a call to
foundation members who are happy, unhappy or disaffected to say what
they think the foundation should be doing that it isn't, shouldn't be
doing that it is, and generally what you've been unhappy  happy with
over the past number of years.


I agree that an check for what foundation is and what we want it to be is long 
overdue.  I don't think this is the best timing though.  Do you expect the 
candidates to speak up and reply?  Shut up?  How does this relate to the 
upcoming election?!




Me first!

I think that the foundation should be more involved in conflict
resolution and policing the tone of the community.


Absolutely disagree.  I think we are doing fine.  Last thing we need is 
censorship.



I have talked to too
many people who don't read pgo, or have turned off individual blogs,
don't use IRC any more, or avoid certain mailing lists, because they are
unhappy with the tone  content of discussions  posts.


Ask them each to write to the board so the board knows.  I'm not a huge fan of 
making decisions based on there are many, I know, but I can't reveal their 
names, sorry.


I think we're in a very different position now, compared to say, in 2000.  I 
expect we are mostly mature professional people who respect each other and 
expect to be respected in return.  I don't know which lists or channels or 
blogs you read, but those I check are fairly clean, and if there's some bad 
stuff is going on (which I've not seen in a while), well, I can always hit the 
Delete button.  No Big Deal!


Now if that affects the image of GNOME (project or foundation), that's a 
separate issue.  But then it should be discussed separately.




If someone is
behaving in a way which is negatively affecting a significant portion of
the GNOME community, the board should be the place to go where you can
complain, and have your complaint publicly recorded (in the minutes of a
board meeting, for example) with anonymity, investigated and evaluated,
and if necessary, have the guilty party censured and/or punished.
Currently, this social policing role has been completely ignored by the
foundation and its leaders.


It's not.  But over the past year, we've got one or two such complaints.  And 
we have not ignored them.  I don't think I have to disclose the details.  I 
don't see any benefits in making them public either.  Or do you mean the 
punishment should include public embarrassment?  What if the person 
complaining is found to be guilty?


Seriously, what are we, 8yr olds?!



I think that the foundation should be more frugal, and I expect the
board to transmit the frugal values to the membership. I was a supporter
of being much firmer in asking people to pay part of their travel when
being funded by the foundation, or to seek other funding elsewhere (from
conference organisers, for example). I don't think that being funded by
the foundation should be a due or a reward, foundation funds are an
enabler.


You keep repeating this.  And no matter how many times others do not agree 
with you, you keep bringing it up again.  It's becoming annoying.  Let me 
reply with my point of view on this now.


You've said in various places that you think only core contributors should be 
sponsored, and you said you define core contributor as someone who will pay 
out of his pocket to go to the conference if not sponsored.  You have this 
image that someone's contribution to GNOME is directly related to whether they 
can afford paying out of their pocket going to GUADEC.


You're wrong.

Maybe it is the case, if you live in Europe and are a self-employed contractor 
who finds lots of business by going to GUADEC.  But your test fails in each 
and all of the following cases, which mind you, I might offer represents a 
large part of the community:


  - If you're a student with no income, you don't have 2000USD to spend. Period.

  - If you have a wife and a 250,000USD mortgate to pay, it's hard to justify 
a 2000USD trip.  Period.


  - If you have a wife and two kids to raise, it's hard to justify a 2000USD 
trip.  Period.


  - If you have to take time off work to go to GUADEC, it's hard to justify 
paying 2000USD also.  Period.


  - If you work full-time on GNOME as your job, and contribute to it in a 
thousand other ways too, and neither your employer nor the foundation pays for 
you to go to GUADEC, it's hard to justify paying 2000USD.  Period.


  - If you are studying part-time and have to skip three classes you are 
paying 400 each for, it's hard to justify paying 2000USD for the trip.



In other instances, you suggested people paying a minimum 200euros of their 
trip.  Your argument has been 

Re: What do you think of the foundation?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

/me puts board hat on

Sometimes a little nudge is all we need :).

The story behind the minutes is that when Luis ran for board and was elected 
and named himself secretary, the rest of us were thinking hurray, we have a 
dedicated person taking notes and publishing them.  But I think we all agree 
that we made better use of the limited time Luis had to spend on board duties 
while working towards graduation.  And the rest of didn't pick it up.  So for 
most meetings, someone took notes and sent them to the others for review.  But 
no one went back to incorporate the comments and publicize them.


For next term, Luis suggests not having a dedicated note-taker, but everyone 
working using gobby or other collaboration tools to take notes during 
meetings, and send it to public immediately after the meetings.  Now that's a 
model that should work.



Cheers,
behdad

On 05/29/2009 02:11 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

In this case, how about bringing a foundation member in and have them do
minutes?

sri

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com
mailto:murr...@murrayc.com wrote:

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:45 -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
  That's exactly correct. Another term for it is 'volunteer'. :) You're
  certainly welcome to volunteer to improve it yourself, of course.

It's far beneath her abilities, but can't you delegate the
minutes-taking to our paid employee?

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Re: GNOME Foundation Elections - Call for Questions

2009-05-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 05/26/2009 08:51 AM, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:

Last year (1.5 years to be exact) people just posted their questions
to foundation-list and most (or all) candidates answered diligently
and dutifully at length. Is a more complicated system needed this
year?


It was quite painful replying to three or four lists of similar but slightly 
different questions actually.  One list please :).


behdad
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Re: Minutes of board meetings?

2009-05-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 05/26/2009 12:31 PM, Dave Neary wrote:


They haven't been going out to foundation-list or foundation-announce as
they did in the past either. Is there a reason for it, or should I
assume it's because Luis was working hard to graduate and no-one took
minutes at meetings he missed?


We *have* been taking minutes even when Luis was absent from the meeting. 
They are mostly sent to list or put in the private wiki to be sanitized and 
published, and that's where they currently are.  I see some twenty of them at:


  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoardPrivate/Minutes

As a former board member, I believe you have read access to them.  If Luis 
doesn't get to push them out in the coming weeks, I'll give it a hand.


Cheers,
behdad



Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: Minutes of board meetings?

2009-05-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 05/26/2009 02:29 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

Hi,

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

On 05/26/2009 12:31 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

They haven't been going out to foundation-list or foundation-announce as
they did in the past either. Is there a reason for it, or should I
assume it's because Luis was working hard to graduate and no-one took
minutes at meetings he missed?


We *have* been taking minutes even when Luis was absent from the meeting.


Excuse me - I should have said publishing minutes. Suggesting that
no-one minuted meetings was unfair.


These are two different issues.  I believe I made it clear that:

  1) Minutes have been taken.

  2) We'll try to publish them before elections.

If minutes hadn't been taken we couldn't publish them now.  So while you may 
reason that unpublished minutes are as good as no minutes, it's not exactly 
like that since unpublished ones *can* be published now.


behdad


Dave.


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Candidacy: Behdad Esfahbod

2009-05-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

Name: Behdad Esfahbod
Mail: behdad behdad org / behdad gnome org
Nick: behdad
Home: http://behdad.org/
Blog: http://mces.behdad.org/
More: http://live.gnome.org/BehdadEsfahbod
Affiliation: Red Hat

Summary:

I've been serving on board for 2.5 years now and have been holding the title 
of President of the Foundation and Chairman of the board for the current term. 
 Fortunately the experience is not as painful as it used to be, thanks to 
Stormy.  I think we are in a very good shape on the organization side, but 
there's a storm coming (no pun), with all the GNOME 3 planning, messaging, 
marketing, etc.  So I like to stay on board to help with it all.



Details:

I've been heavily involved in GNOME since about 2005.  These days my hacking 
can be summarized as:


  - Keeping an eye on everything Unicode
  - Developing everything font and text related
  - Trying to keep GNOME lean

In more programmer-friendly terms, that means I (co-)maintain and develop on: 
fribidi, harfbuzz, fontconfig, cairo, pango, vte, and hack here and there 
further up the stack every once in a while.


On the non-hacking side, previously I served on the Accounts Team.  More 
recently, I've chaired GUADEC program committee for the past couple of years. 
 While on board this year, I've done (and if elected, plan to continue doing):


  - Hackfest / conference organization
  - Worked on the a11y outreach program
  - Making sure Stormy find the information / people she needs to get
work done
  - Make sure decisions are made / things move forward


Cheers,
behdad
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Re: Candidacy: Behdad Esfahbod

2009-05-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

Foundation :),

To clarify: the membership committee email call for nominations this year 
didn't have any instructions about sending a nomination note to 
foundation-list.  However, some of us have done that so far.  I suggest others 
do too, but the final list of nominees will be determined by the membership 
committee based on messages their address received.  Don't forget CC'ing them!


behdad

On 05/21/2009 11:31 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

Name: Behdad Esfahbod
Mail: behdad behdad org / behdad gnome org
Nick: behdad
Home: http://behdad.org/
Blog: http://mces.behdad.org/
More: http://live.gnome.org/BehdadEsfahbod
Affiliation: Red Hat

Summary:

I've been serving on board for 2.5 years now and have been holding the
title of President of the Foundation and Chairman of the board for the
current term. Fortunately the experience is not as painful as it used to
be, thanks to Stormy. I think we are in a very good shape on the
organization side, but there's a storm coming (no pun), with all the
GNOME 3 planning, messaging, marketing, etc. So I like to stay on board
to help with it all.


Details:

I've been heavily involved in GNOME since about 2005. These days my
hacking can be summarized as:

- Keeping an eye on everything Unicode
- Developing everything font and text related
- Trying to keep GNOME lean

In more programmer-friendly terms, that means I (co-)maintain and
develop on: fribidi, harfbuzz, fontconfig, cairo, pango, vte, and hack
here and there further up the stack every once in a while.

On the non-hacking side, previously I served on the Accounts Team. More
recently, I've chaired GUADEC program committee for the past couple of
years. While on board this year, I've done (and if elected, plan to
continue doing):

- Hackfest / conference organization
- Worked on the a11y outreach program
- Making sure Stormy find the information / people she needs to get
work done
- Make sure decisions are made / things move forward


Cheers,
behdad

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Re: GNOME Store

2009-05-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 05/01/2009 02:07 PM, Gian Mario Tagliaretti wrote:

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelodie...@gnome.org  wrote:


best of sri rupert quotes t-shirt



I would buy 10.


plus another 10 here :)


Can you move this thread to #gnome-hackers please :).

behdad

PS.  I'd also order another 10, but don't have to run around shouting :P


cheers

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Re: Fundraising Progress

2009-04-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod

On 04/28/2009 07:20 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:

Vincent Untz wrote:

Hey Shaun,

Le mardi 28 avril 2009, à 16:13 -0500, Shaun McCance a écrit :

Owen sent an email to the list a short while back about a
FoG fundraising drive for a sysadmin:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-April/msg00025.html

There have been occasional conversations on IRC about having
a progress meter we could put on our web sites. I know some
other people have been in talks about this. But I decided
to JFDI.

http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/fog/index.html


Cool. As you saw on IRC, Andreas did a mockup which is based on monthly
subscribers (instead of total amount of money) -- this is what we were
planning to do. We can probably do some mix of the two (assuming we can
do it in a non-ugly way ;-)), though, since both views are interesting.

Can't we do one of them first, and the other one after?
Say we run one campaign for 3 months (or something) and pimp that really
hard, and then do the same with the other one for the following 3 months.


Heh, funny that you say that.  I wrote to board list today:

I suggest:

  - We set our goal to fully funding a sysadmin on subscriptions (say, by 
next year.  So aiming for 360).


  - 90 a quarter.  Count number of new subscribers.  If we reach our goal 
before the three month period, we take the ruler down and add a Thank You note 
for the rest of the quarter.  Like Wikipedia does.


  - May want to add a note like Be the first Friend of GNOME today! every day.

behdad




Shaun: Would you like to hack together some code based on the X number
of donors as well?
svg here: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/184285/gnome-pledge-banner.svg
(or do we need one with 90 people on it and make it run for 90 days?)

Hats of to Shaun for JFDI, we need more of that!
- Andreas
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Re: Sponsorship for hackfests

2009-03-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod


On 03/30/2009 02:18 PM, Philip Van Hoof wrote:

Hi there,

In Behdad's mail on gtk-devel-list, Behdad explains on why the
foundation has decided to cut back on hackfests. This is a fair and
reasonable reason, by the way (his last mail in the thread explains the
financial aspect of it pretty well).


Hi Philip,

Thanks for the note.  Just a minor correction: we had to cancel the GTK+ 
hackfest, which is more like a mini conf, when compared to the other hackfests 
we run (much smaller and much less expensive to run).  We are still looking 
into and interest to hear proposals about smaller hackfests.


behdad



http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2009-March/msg00165.html

I think that during those hackfests people work on problems that
companies, who donate sponsorship-money, are interested in.

I fear that we have done a bad job at explaining them what the things
were that we worked on. Maybe we didn't make the scope of those
hackfests broad enough.

I for example remember that in Berlin we had the idea of putting
interviews with the hackers online. I never found those.

This should be something the Foundation pushes for (given that they
funded many hackers' flights I think it's fair that the Foundation gets
at least some interviews with the hackers, to put online, in return).

I think that if we'd include a few of the young projects into the
hackfests, while explaining clearly to companies who are interested in
these projects that our hackers work on these projects and that their
sponsorship-money is used to for example pay for those hackfests, that
we'll get at least some of those 90% sponsor offers back.

That way they'll know that their sponsorship has a return of investment
in code too (not just advertisement at conferences and on the website).

Right now I can imagine that it's not always clear for sponsoring
companies to estimate what they get in return. In economic hard times
that means your sponsoring gets slashed from their budgets, indeed.

Candidate projects that come to my mind include: GObject-introspection,
Vala, Clutter, Tracker, GeoClue, Poky, DConf,  WebKit, ...

I'm sure I'm forgetting about a few hundred projects and I know gobject-
introspection has been among the hackfest projects.

To decide the projects we need a group that decides on how our horizon
towards the future should look like. Which is also something we lack at
GNOME in my humble opinion. (for many years)

I don't think waiting for better economic times is even an option.

Let's instead solve this.


Cheers,



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GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-03 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
In December I ran a distributed version control system survey for GNOME.
From the survey opening page:

  Thank you for taking the GNOME DVCS Survey.  This survey is run on behalf
  of the GNOME Foundation board of directors, release team, and sysadmin team.
  The GNOME project is planning a possible move from SVN to a distributed
  version control system in 2009.  The contenders for the system to use are
  bzr, git, and hg.  The aim of the survey is to help us better understand
  familiarity and preferences of our active contributor base regarding the
  future version control system for GNOME.  The survey results will be
  informational and will be sent to foundation-list and desktop-devel-list
  upon completion.

GNOME contributors with an SVN account who had an SSH key installed on their
account were invited to fill in the survey.  A total of 1083 account holders
were invited, and 579 filled in the survey.  The survey results are now
available to the public:

  http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/dvcs-survey/

Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data.  His analysis also includes
the survey questions and answers.  Find it at:

  http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/

If you analyze the results, please reply to this thread and also leave a
comment on my blog post linking to your analysis:

  http://mces.blogspot.com/2009/01/gnome-dvcs-survey.html

Cheers,

behdad
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Changes to the GNOME board

2008-12-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
The GNOME Foundation Board regretfully announces that Jeff Waugh will
be stepping down from the board in order to focus on work and other
projects. The board thanks Jeff for his years of service to the board
and the community, and wishes him success in his future work both
inside and outside of GNOME. Jeff leaves big shoes to fill.

Diego Escalante Urrelo will be joining the board as a new member for
the remainder of this term. Diego was a candidate for the board in the
last election, and his energy, new blood, and Latin American
perspective will be a great addition to the board.

In addition to bringing on a new member, the board continues to expand
our capabilities by focusing on delegation, with new committees
working on mobile and GUADEC-related issues. Our thanks, again, goes
to those who have volunteered their time to help out with these and
other efforts, including Dave Neary, Paul Cooper, Alberto Ruiz, and
Chema Casanova.

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Re: Changes to the GNOME board

2008-12-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Gregory,

 As I wasn't sure what the procedure was for the board of directors, in
 the case of a resignation, I went and grabbed a copy of the bylaws
 from http://foundation.gnome.org/about/bylaws.pdf  Section 4
 subsection d it states that the board can fill a vacancy by a vote of
 the remaining directors.

Correct.

 I do have one question about the bylaws, though.  I seem to recall a
 large discussion about changing the term of the directors to be 18
 months instead of 1 year.  However, Section 3 subsection a still
 states that directors hold office for one (1) year.  I also noticed
 that the history information at the bottom of the document states that
 the last change was April 5, 2002.  I'm sure that the discussion I
 recall was more recent than this.

Yes, the there was a member vote to change the bylaws to allow each term be
between 12 and 24 months, as determined by the board before the elections.
This change was proposed to enable us to adjust the beginning of the term to
GUADEC.

 What is the current term of a member of the Gnome Foundation Board of 
 Directors?

The term of the current board is 18 months and ends at the end of June 2009.
Expect back to 12-month terms after that.

 What is the official location of the Bylaws governing the Gnome
 Foundation?  If it is the above URL, and the term is not still 1 year,
 how can we get this copy updated?  If it's not this URL, can somebody
 tell me where it is, and can we make foundation.gnome.org link to it
 prominently?

Luis has been working on an updated draft.  I let him answer what the current
status is.

Thanks,
behdad

 Thanks,
  Greg
 
 
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Gran Canaria Desktop Summit 2009 to be held July 3-11, 2009

2008-11-25 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
The inaugural Desktop Summit, uniting the flagship conferences of the GNOME
and KDE communities, GUADEC and Akademy, will be held in Gran Canaria, Canary
Islands, Spain the week of July 3-11, 2009.

The conference will be hosted by Cabildo, the local government of Gran Canaria.

The GNOME and KDE communities will use this co-located event to intensify
momentum and increase collaboration between the projects. It gives a unique
opportunity for key figures to collaborate and improve the free and open
source desktop for all. Please visit the official web for further information:

http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/

This announcement is also available at:

http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2008-11-25-grancanaria.html

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Re: Hardware bought during Barcelona's Guadec in Fluendo's premises

2008-11-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Dave Neary wrote:
 Hello Julien,
 
 Did you ever get a reply to this?
 
 Julien Moutte wrote:
 They are made available to do some buildbots for some projects (elisa,
 flumotion) but the Gnome buildbot they were intended to run is not
 really operational from my understanding.
 
 I was under the impression that they were being used for the GNOME
 buildbot, and being maintained by some of the guys from Igalia, and Fred
 Peters; but I might be wrong?
 
 If I am wrong, and they are unused, then I think your idea of shipping
 them to someone who could do something useful with them is a good one.

Agreed.  I replied to Julien saying the same thing.  I didn't hear back.

behdad


 Cheers,
 Dave.
 
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Re: GNOME Job Posting Board

2008-10-16 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Calum Benson wrote:
 
 On 15 Oct 2008, at 20:31, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 
 Many GNOME-friendly companies have job openings that they announce
 on blogs, IRC, or random mailing list.

 Many GNOME hackers look for jobs and they crawl blogs, mailing lists,
 or ask on IRC.

 Now there is a central place that community members can post
 GNOME-related
 job openings, and job seekers can subscribe to. Nothing fancy, a good old
 wiki page:

  http://live.gnome.org/Jobs
 
 Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list?

1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current openings at
any time,

2) Keep it simple.  This took me ten minutes to set up.  A mailing list would
have taken at least a few days,

3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more intuitive,

Cheers,

behdad

 There are
 many things that wikis aren't particularly good for, and this strikes me
 as being one of them.
 
 Cheeri,
 Calum.
 
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GNOME Job Posting Board

2008-10-15 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Many GNOME-friendly companies have job openings that they announce
on blogs, IRC, or random mailing list.

Many GNOME hackers look for jobs and they crawl blogs, mailing lists,
or ask on IRC.

Now there is a central place that community members can post GNOME-related
job openings, and job seekers can subscribe to. Nothing fancy, a good old
wiki page:

  http://live.gnome.org/Jobs


Regards,

behdad
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Re: yay canaries!

2008-07-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 12:41 +0200, Andy Wingo wrote:
 Hey hackers,

Hi everyone.

 Yay, we're going to the Canaries next year! That's great!

Yep.  A formal press release is on the way.

 The purpose of this message though is to express disagreement with the
 way that the announcement was done (at the GUADEC closing), though. It
 was pretty nasty to Tampere, a place I also wanted to go. I think an
 apology is in order.

Unfortunately it turned out to be so.  Needless to say, I did not mean
to offend anyone.  And I apologize if I did.

I believe all three bids were great, and I hope a Finland bid will be
submitted again next year.  The two boards discussed merits of each bid
over a conference call and followed up with a lengthy thread.  Each bid
has its own unique strengths, but in the end, we decided that the unique
opportunity of the Gran Canaria bid to reach out to Africa was something
we really want to explore.

 Besides that, I can't help but think that it should be we of the GNOME
 Foundation who should choose the GUADEC location, not the board. Next
 year we should vote on the location.

Makes a lot of sense.  KDE used to let a membership vote decide the
location, but this year they did a non-binding vote because they needed
to make the final decision together with us. For next year, we can do
something like that.


 Cheers,
 
 Andy

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Re: GUADLAC - GNOME Users And Developers Latin American Conference

2008-07-09 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 19:59 -0500, Miguel Angel López Hernández wrote:
 
 It is my pleasure to inform you all that first GUADLAC (GNOME Users And
 Developers Latin American Conference) will be held in Veracruz, MX in
 the 1st quarter of 2009 (almost sure in march), therefore respectfully
 request the support of the GNOME Foundation and all the GNOME Community
 to help make it a success.

Yes, finally!  This is great indeed.  So, as it's forming up, we'll have
major GNOME events all year round, all over the globe:

  - January, gnome.conf.au
  - March, GUADLAC
  - July, GUADEC
  - October, Boston Summit
  - October, GNOME.Asia Summit

Umm, where's GNOME.Africa?


behdad

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Re: hiring Stormy Peters as executive director

2008-07-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:54 +0300, Luis Villa wrote:
 
 It is my pleasure to announce that the Board has decided to hire
 Stormy Peters as Executive Director of the Foundation.

Welcome Stormy indeed!

In case it's not clear, this hiring was the subject of the several
board-confidential meetings we have been having these last couple of
months.

Cheers,
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Re: Some Finnish thoughts of Guadec+aKademy 2009

2008-07-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 13:52 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 20:30 +0300, Petri Räsänen wrote:
 [...]
  As a final remark I believe that one factor in the decision making
  process will be the message that will be read between the lines of
  the decision. I can speak only speculatively and on behalf of our
  proposal, but if the choice is Tampere, I believe it can be
  interpreted as a sign openness to new countries as a location,
  respecting the diversity of the community and in a way as decision to
  take a fresh new step in the country where it all more or less got
  started.  Not a bad message, right?
 
 A good message, worth exploring...

Yep.

 Questions to ask are
 (1) where is Free Software in most need of support?

The community-building card has been the defining factor for France vs
UK for example.  But I didn't expect to see it played by Finland or
Spain bids, given how integrated Nokia and Igalia are in the GNOME
ecosystem.  Gran Canaria on the other hand... ;).

 For example, identify places where there are strong challenges, or
 where there are new and young communities starting that need to be
 encouraged;
 (2) If that is not a strong factor, then identify the key people you
 want at the conference, and ask which places are they most likely to
 attend.  A survey can be helpful here.
 (3) If there are no overall clear answers from (1) and (2), where will the
 conference get good press coverage and media visibility?
 
 Of course, the purpose is for Free Desktop People to get together, exchange
 ideas, boost morale, and admire each other's ankles.  But the outreach aspects
 are also important, and I think are more important than the cost of a pint
 of beer or a pair of socks in a given location.
 
 Liam
 
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Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals

2008-06-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi everyone,

Quick reminder that we are all ears to hear your comments about the
three proposals.  Please send them sooner rather than later.


Thanks

behdad


On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 18:17 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 The GNOME Foundation and KDE e.V. boards received three proposals to
 host Akademy+GUADEC 2009. The bids are available for review here:
 
   http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/akademy+guadec-2009-bids/
 
 The boards did not receive any separate bids for Akademy-only or
 GUADEC-only hosting.
 
 At this time we are soliciting comments from the GNOME community and
 other GUADEC regulars.  Please use this thread on foundation-list to
 submit your comments.  The review period closes on July 4th, in
 preparation for making a decision in Istanbul.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Behdad
 On behalf of GNOME Foundation and KDE e.V. boards
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GNOME Foundation Annual General Meeting, etc

2008-06-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
[Resending to foundation-list, for those not subscribed to
 foundation-announce.  Fun, isn't it?]

Greetings,

A couple quick announcements.  First:

To better manage organizational aspects of the board, the following
roles will by observed by board members:

  - Chairman: Behdad Esfahbod
  - Vice-Chairman: Lucas Rocha
  - Secretary: Luis Villa
  - Treasurer: John Palmieri

Furthermore, to comply with our bylaws, the Chairman and Vice-Chairman
of the board will also serve as President and Vice-President of GNOME
Foundation respectively.

All board members will continue to serve in their areas of expertise as
before.


Next:

The GNOME Foundation Annual General Meeting will be held during GUADEC
on July 11th at 16:30 in Istanbul, Turkey [1].  All foundation members
are invited to attend.  If there are any questions, comments, or
proposals you want to see considered before the meeting please send them
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon.

There is also a GNOME Foundation BoF scheduled for July 7th at 14:30.
Interested parties are welcome.


Regards,

Behdad Esfahbod

[1]
http://guadec.expectnation.com/guadec08/public/schedule/grid/2008-07-11




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Re: Akademy+GUADEC *2009* Hosting Proposals

2008-06-23 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 00:50 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
 
 Nonetheless I'm a big fan of Finland (Saunas, forests, Nokia). My
 personal preference therefore goes to Tampere.
 
 My second choice is Coruña in Galicia. The nice guys at Igalia have been
 telling me a lot about Galicia ... I just think I should visit it for
 holidays instead of conference reasons.

All three proposals look so impressive that makes me sad that we have to
turn two down.

/me wants to visit them all...


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Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Some good jokes in this thread this morning :).

On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 13:33 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:

 Seriously, I went once to a ski resort, and some doctors conference was
 taking place in a hotel there, and I really think it would be a great
 thing for hackfests (maybe not for a big conference like GUADEC or the
 Summit), but getting the right people together in a similar place might
 be much more productive than getting them on a big city, in separated
 hotels, and no sport activities at all :-) Getting 15/20 people together
 in a hotel, for some skiing during the morning, and talks and hacking in
 the afternoon / evening could be a good way of organising hackfests

Foundation would be happy to do that for hackfests, yes.  We are still
waiting for proposals.  Go ahead!  I'd say keeping hackfests to less
than 10 people will be even more productive.

When David Bolter, Ben Konrath, and myself met last Summer here in
Toronto to discuss the a11y summit, we all agreed that we can hold a
very decent and great hackfest for 10 people in cottages two hours drive
from Toronto for less than $2000 for accommodation for a week, including
both weekends.  Compare that to hotels...  Add car rentals and food and
you're still much below what hotels would cost.  And I'm talking about
cottages by gorgeous lakes, with kayaking and canoeing options.  So
yeah, go ahead and propose...

The accommodation sharing works even for busy locations like Berlin, but
the bigger the group gets the harder it is to find suitable offerings
and this is a lesson we learned the hard way during the GTK+ Hackfest
last month.  Now I have to go finish that hackfest report... will be
back.

 At least, hackers would learn how to ski :-) and the same could be done
 during the summer, with some biking/hiking activities in the morning. We
 are all getting old, so we need something else than only hacking :-)


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Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-28 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 19:00 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Rodrigo Moya wrote:
  I wouldn't mind having a joint skiing/hacking conference there :-)
 
 Crazy idea (tell me if I've been smoking the wacky baccy):
 
 Someone offers to host the Summit at the Summit, say in Utah or
 Whistler? Travel costs would be an issue, but fitting in some skiing
 over a holiday weekend in (say) February would be cool.

Whistler should work, yeah.  I hear there's going to be a huge Firefox
summit in Whistler later this Summer.  I may be attending, in which case
I'll check out the place. *BUT*, we already have Boston Summit scheduled
for October in Boston.  Having another one just a few months later
doesn't make much sense.  So, we seem to be talking about '10.

 Cheers,
 Dave.
 
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