Re: Re: GNOME ASIA logo competition
I do not have the text or voting information for this competition. That would be something Kristi would know. As for "is there a feasible way" to work around this issue? In short, yes. #1) you heard directly from our Executive Director that there is no non-free code running on our GitLab instance, and the issue here is a technicality with the fully libre JavaScript code on the page not adhering to LibreJS spec. With that understanding and until a permanent fix can be made upstream, I see in your own photo that whitelisting is a feature of LibreJS. Which leads me to #2) taken from the LibreJS information page: "Whitelist LibreJS lets you whitelist domain names and subdomains to bypass the regular JavaScript check. This might be useful, for example, if you are running your own code in a local web server. In order to add a whitelisted domain or url, go to Tools >> Add-ons, or press Control + Shift + A. Inside the add-on window, click on Extensions, and in the list, where you see LibreJS, click on the Preferences button. You will see an input field labeled Whitelist. In the field, enter comma-separated domain names. Do not enter the protocol. For instance to whitelist all the pages of http://www.gnu.org and https://gnu.org, enter ‘gnu.org’. To allow all subdomains from gnu.org, enter: ‘*.gnu.org’. This will match such sites as http://savannah.gnu.org and http://audio-video.gnu.org.; Given that you hopefully trust the word of our Executive Director, whitelisting gitlab.gnome.org should be a reasonable way to get you full access to the competition, with no need for extra html pages or secondary voting system needed. -Britt On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 4:54 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > With that out of the way, it seems like your issue with this > competition > > was not that of free vs non-free software, but rather LibreJS > > compatibility. > > LibreJS is the only way for users to avoid running lots of nonfree > programs as they browse. If you think there is a better solution, > please describe it -- as far as I can see, there is no other. > >With all do respect, I believe the onus was on you in > this > > case to work around this issue. > > Is that even possible? Is there a feasible way to "work around" the > need for Javascript code to declare its license and source code? I > don't see one. > > One cannot have the responsibility to do the impossible. We have to > use a method that is possible. > > You put extra effort on part of our > > foundation and myself to solve for you a self-inflicted technical > issue. > > LibreJS is a solution to the problem of avoiding running the nonfree > software that many web sites send to the user. If it involves some > work for web sites, well, "freedom isn't free" (i.e., gratis), as the > saying goes. > > The only way to consider this "self-inflicted" is if you reject solving > tthe problem. > > > While it would be excellent if GitLab had greater compatibility with > > LibreJS, that is not exactly a GNOME Foundation problem to address. > > GitLab's responsible for not labeling its Javascript for automatic > license detection, but the GNOME Foundation is responsible for including > that unlabeled code in its page. > > As you recognize, it is not hard to put the logos in a page of > ordinary HTML. We're going to do this, so as to be helpful. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME ASIA logo competition
The page you cannot see is a standard GitLab issue making use of the standard upstream GitLab code. Can you let us know which non-free JavaScript is in offense? A solution to this will have to be taken back to the upstream GitLab project On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 7:11 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > There are 29 logos competing with each other and you can vote for your > 3 > > favorites by leaving a comment here: > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Events/GNOMEAsia/issues/46 > > I am sad to report that this page seems to require nonfree Javascript > code. Looking at the page with LibreJS to protect me from nonfree > Javascript code, I don't see any of the logos. > > Would you please post them so that they can be seen in the Free World? > Please do not make running a nonfree program a precondition for > participating in some Gnome activities. > > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors Elections 2019 - Candidacy - Benjamin Berg
Sorry for the late response, I just saw this question. If I were elected to the board, how would I help to build trust and a collaborative working relationship amount the directors? This is a tough question to answer in a quantitative way, as interactions and human psychology are very complicated and very unique. From my experience working as a research scientist in academia where tensions and emotions are often high, I have found that the seed of any positive working relationship is to treat everyone and their ideas with respect, and to give each the benefit of the doubt that their viewpoint comes from a place of love for the mission and the project. To view someone through a lens of distrust, or to assume a nefarious nature, halts the conversation before it can even begin. Likewise, the key to healthy debate is to not lose sight of the big picture, and as such, before a working relationship can be established all parties must agree on the nature of the big picture. However, in places where conflicts do arise, inevitably stemming from topics such as monetary allocation, ethics, and organizational philosophy, I think it crucial to keep emotion to a minimum, as strong emotion leads to frustration, which will lead to grudges and hostility. It is particularly hard to set emotions aside for the sake of discussion, especially in a passion project such as this, but clear, level-headed rationality is how responsible decisions are made. With all that said, I believe a huge pet peeve of mine to be on the receiving end of is dismissivness. Having an idea dismissed outright before consideration is a belittling, aggravating, and disrespectful experience. With that said, my track record is not flawless having found myself being dismissive of points of view before considering the justification and having to retroactively make amends, but each occurrence has reinforced my learning and my personal growth to be a better and more patient listener. If I were to have a seat on the board, this would be a strong stance of mine: to not be dismissive the ideas, points of view, and perspective of my peers, and to expect my peers to do the same for each other. I hope that answers your question, or at the very least gives you an idea of where I am coming from. -Britt Yazel On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:56 AM Tobias Mueller wrote: > Hi Philip and the other candidates, > > On Thu, 2019-06-06 at 11:20 -0700, Philip Chimento via foundation-list > wrote: > > If elected to the board, how would you help to build trust and > > collaborative working relationships among the directors, and encourage > > healthy debate? > I think this is a great question for all the candidates and I would be > delighted to read statements of candidates who want to position > themselves. > > Having worked with Benjamin on several occasions, the biggest one being > GUADEC 2016, I know that maintaining a collaborative working > relationship and healthy debate are not a problem. > > Cheers, > Tobi > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to candidates - Minutes of the board meeting
Hi Max, Sorry for my late response, however as I have never held a board seat before I do not have the experience to comment either way on the timing of the release of board meeting minutes. With that said and after reading the prior responses, my personal preference is to be as quick as is possible in releasing the minutes while the conversations and points are fresh in our minds. I have found that the longer things sit, the more likely they are to fall by the wayside, and the Foundation members deserve to have a timely and transparent board of directors. I hesitate to promise anything as far as a time table commitment, as it would not be up to me alone when the minutes are released, and without having personally experienced these board meeting structure, promising anything of the sort would, in my opinion, be irresponsible. I can say that the best of my ability I will see that the meeting minutes are made public as timely and efficiently as is reasonable. I am also happy to revisit the conversation once the board is elected to see if as a team we can agree on a reasonable timetable. Thanks, -Britt Yazel On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:13 AM Max via foundation-list < foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > Hi Robert > > Thanks for reply my question again. > We could have many information when we see the reply. > Just like my last mail -- the list could be "Answer" or "Not Answer", > "Date" or "None" > > I just check the foundation-list@gnome.org mail list last year( 2018 ). > " There is no question to board candidates " > At 2017, only 1 question to board candidates. > > I just explain why I do that -- If there is no reply from candidates -- We > just have their bio :p > > > Max > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:48 PM Robert McQueen wrote: > >> Hi Max, >> >> On Wed, 2019-06-05 at 09:26 +0800, Max via foundation-list wrote: >> >> We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and >> life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. >> It's good to do community task in reasonable time. >> I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might >> be see how busy they are in real life. >> To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. >> If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, >> she / he might be have no time to help. >> >> >> Serving on the board is a form of volunteering your time to help the >> GNOME community. It comes with specific and quite predictable time >> commitments in terms of the board meetings, e-mails, etc that being a board >> member entails - usually around 2 hours a week, and usually at the same >> time each week. As Carlos points out, these are rarely urgent. The board >> has actually been trying to take a more "hands off" role - focusing on >> oversight, strategy, etc rather than day to day or urgent decisions. The >> Foundation now has 7 full-time staff and they should be able to dedicate >> far more time and be more responsive. >> >> So - provided the board candidate is able to dedicate these specific >> times, I don't think response time or availability to volunteer for >> additional things should necessarily be considered while assessing board >> candidates for election - if someone isn't available to volunteer for >> community tasks that doesn't mean they will be a bad board member. I hope >> in my case the opposite is true - I am very busy in my personal and >> professional life because I am on the leadership team of Endless, a company >> that works with GNOME - but this means I have experience as a >> director/executive which I think I can use to help the Foundation board set >> a good strategy and sensible policies, manage it's resources well, manage >> the ED, etc. Whether a board member takes on additional >> community/volunteering tasks (eg organising a conference, joining a >> committee, being an officer like secretary or treasurer, etc) is a separate >> decision. (I personally don't have a lot /more/ time to give, but when I do >> I choose to spend it on Flatpak/Flathub because I think the app ecosystem >> is a blocker to the Linux desktop's overall growth and impact.) >> >> Cheers, >> Rob >> >> >> The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. >> >> * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 >> * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 >> * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 >> * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 >> * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 >> * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 >> * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 >> >> * Britt Yazel >> * Niels De Graef >> * Federic
Board of Directors candidacy question
Hello fellow foundation folks, I have been somewhat out of the loop about this year's election cycle, and I was just told today by Caroline and Kat that the nominations were due in as of yesterday. So clearly I missed the deadline, so one question is if it is too late for me to consider throwing my name formally in the ring. Second, I'm not sure if I would be a good choice given my Ph.D. schedule. Does anyone have an idea of the weekly hourly commitment? I just don't want to do a poor job if I we're to be appointed. Cheers! -Britt ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
