Re: [OT] Re: You logo
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 22:38 +0100, Magdalen Berns wrote: Let's be real: this is pure drama I believe you're being pretty rude in reducing other people's distress to pure drama. Please be respectful, in the same way as you expect others to be. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for board meeting on September 26th
On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 08:53 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: GNOME is part of the GNU Project, whose goal is freedom for users. Not only that, but GNOME in particular was started to protect users from a specific threat to their freedom (nonfree Qt). So freedom is at the heart of GNOME and should never be forgotten. Would it be possible for you to, instead of repeatedly bringing up the subject of Free Software vs Open Source and GNU/Linux vs Linux, do this privately, off the list? For most of the people who are here this continuous reminder is tiring, and achieves very little but to disrupt discussion and cause these frequent outbursts which are rather unproductive. Sometimes your emails contain insight that is very appreciated, but I've started ignoring them altogether because I don't want to be reminded over and over about Free Software and GNU/Linux. I got that long time ago, and not by force of repetition, by the way. By continuously repeating yourself publicly on these matters you end up making the rest of your message lost. If you consider this to be an effective way to pass on your message, please carry on, but please don't do it over and over in the foundation list. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hello everyone, I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub. Out of curiosity and given the controversy started by your choice of github -- what makes this mirror official? Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:15 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hello everyone, I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub. Out of curiosity and given the controversy started by your choice of github -- what makes this mirror official? The fact that I wrote the hook and it's now placed in our git infrastructure makes it official. The word official is meant to be used as a way to let people know that they can rely on it and that every push will be sent to the mirror. Well, it's great you took the time to work on this considering the purposes you've highlighted. No particular opinion on the choice itself. However, I think that calling it official it's a bit of a long-shot. I would expect at least the foundation board to have an opinion on the matter before any contributor calls official something that other contributors might have a problem with. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation budget (Oct 2010-June 2011)
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 09:36:46PM +0800, Frederic Muller wrote: I am sure all GNOME foundation members expect us to be a transparent organization (it was pretty clear from the questions during the board elections this year) and this is something we need to work on. As another Foundation member, I agree that I expect us to be a transparent organization, but I find the tone of your inquires to be totally irrespectful towards another volunteer; regardless of whatever their or your role on this matter is. Since Germán has been the treasurer of the GNOME Foundation our numbers have been presented in the most clear and complete way that I can remember, and I believe that any long-time GNOME Foundation member can agree with this. Nobody denies that there is always room for improvement but this irrespectfully demanding attitude is definitely not what's going to move us forward, so please slow it down. Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Seif Lotfy
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 10:07 -0700, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: On 6/1/10 9:49 AM, Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org wrote: I wouldn't be happy to see this kind of sarcasm being used by people running the Foundation, if they happen to disagree with other members. Happily for everyone, I'm not one of the people running the Foundation, I'm just another member. Fair enough. I had the wrong impression that you were running for the Foundation board. Sorry for the mistake. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 17:02 +0100, Philip Van Hoof escribió: On 23/02/10 12:36, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I often hear complaints about how the RedHat guys turn down patches from other contributors (mostly from members of companies competing with them), Well if that's the case, then that's something to be madly angry about. I don't know nor do I claim this to be the case. I have not seen this being the case, not for Gtk+ (I'm not involved in its development). Having a person in the position of maintainer while being pushed by his company to reject patches from competitors, is more or less the kind of situation that I'd even propose to actively ban from GNOME. Hold your horses right there. I don't know where are you reading any claim like that. No one has claimed that someone is under pressure by his company to reject patches from competitors, as you seem to interpret -- please be careful with your words. It's most damaging for our goals, it's viral and it instantly murders any interest in our development platform by the (other) mobile vendors. It's also damaging to start witch hunting out of the blue :) Claudio ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum
El mié, 16-12-2009 a las 01:01 -0500, Richard Stallman escribió: Doesn't this undermines the values of the open source community? To cite the values of open source as an ethical standard is ironic, because the motive for open source was to avoid presenting an ethical standard. You are (once again) deviating the discussion out of its main topic. Since I've noticed that you have a tendency to do this frequently, as a fellow GNOME Foundation member, I'd like to respectfully ask you to please avoid this and allow GNOME Foundation discussions to remain on-topic. Kind regards, Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra csaave...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Involucrate+GNOME, Lima: videos, pics, report
El mié, 30-07-2008 a las 17:46 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo escribió: Hey everyone, as some of you know, we had a GNOME event in Lima - Perú last March. Thanks to the Foundation we were able to invite Germán Poo, Fernando San Martín, Pedro Villavicencio and Manuel Cerón. The results were quite positive for us, there was a really nice feeling through the event, people got the chance to casually chat with the speakers and just get to know them and their work. Most of the material[0] is in Spanish, but we published a translated version of the report we crafted[1]. Beautiful report, Diego. Thanks for sharing it with us! Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009
El mié, 23-04-2008 a las 23:07 +0200, Johannes Schmid escribió: Hi everyone! Sorry, to step into this discussion, but I would really like to point out that every part of the world may have a gnome conference, even an important or *the* GNOME conference. But why can we keep GUADEC the european conference? If you want to do a GUAD*C at any other place of the world, I am fully ok with that but let's keep one GNOME conference in europe as there is a huge community there. hm... things I don't understand: - GUADEC must stay in Europe, but it's publicized as *The* GNOME Conference. - GUADEC location is decided by the GNOME Foundation Board. AFAIK, no other regional conference has such an involvement from the board. - etc. So, considering the importance of GUADEC for the project, I don't believe it's fair for the rest of the world to say that GUADEC should stay in Europe forever, even with all the practical advantages this has. What I would like to see is proposals to host GUADEC in other places of the world to be considered. There may be a bias to prefer European locations because it's more practical, that seems reasonable; but at some point someone could appear with an amazing proposal at a great non-european location that would make everyone say wow.. we have to do it there!. I currently don't like the fact that no one can even consider working in such a proposal. And let's face it, we'll have this discussion each year, again and again. Let GUADEC evolve :-) Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Meeting Minutes :: 2nd January 2008
El dom, 20-01-2008 a las 01:14 -0500, Richard Stallman escribió: Diego Escalante requested sponsorship from GNOME Foundation to bring latin american GNOME contributors to a summer FLOSS event in Peru. The Board has aproved a $3000,00 sponsor for this event. Diego is also discussing with GNOME Chile about a Latin American tour of some key GNOME contributors from Europe and/or US. In Chile, is there any chance you can help build up opposition to the government's pact with Microsoft? This is really, really off topic. I'm sure the people from GNUCHILE, that, as far as I know, are in touch with you, can give you more details on the efforts here made on that topic. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME dependent on Mono
El mié, 28-11-2007 a las 20:03 -0500, Richard Stallman escribió: However, making GNOME depend on Mono is running a grave risk, and a grave mistake. If the article accurately describes the situation, I think we need to launch a high-priority project to reimplement Yelp in some other language. I am not an expert in this area, but I know how to use apt: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bison-bf$ apt-cache depends libbeagle0 libbeagle0 Depende: libc6 Depende: libglib2.0-0 Depende: libxml2 Sorry to spoil the fun, but I think that libbeagle is a C library. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: no financial statements for recent years on Foundation website
El lun, 23-04-2007 a las 10:08 +0200, Dave Neary escribió: Alexander van Loon wrote: Please take a look at this page on the GNOME Foundation website: http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/ . Why are there no financial statements for 2004-2005 and 2005-2006 available? I'm going to be working to fix that over the coming weeks. The short answer is that because of the changes in the foundation at the end of 2005, we have some catching up to do. I believe I have 2004-2005 accounts around here somewhere - it may just be a matter of getting them on the site. I seem to recall they were published on foundation-list at the time. Pinging about this. I was looking for the financial statements but had no luck finding them. Thanks, Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can we improve things?
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 19:11 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: At what point do we recognise that editorial control is necessary for the planet to remain a useful resource? OK. But please, could someone tell us what's this Editorial Control all about? How does this Editorial Control balances with the statement in the p.g.o frontpage: Planet GNOME is a window into the world, work and *lives* of GNOME hackers and contributors. (emphasis is mine) ? Seriously, we are all talking about editorial control, but no one knows clearly what's about. Most probably, it's something that makes sense and that no one would see as censorship, but we first need to know what it is... Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Día del Software Libre, Curicó http://curico.diadelsoftwarelibre.cl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can we improve things?
On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 13:39 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: If you are feeling super-paranoid, we can have a Planet module on bugzilla, and we can point people to a page with instructions: 1. Get a bugzilla account. 2. File a bug under the Planet module. 3. A number of Trusted People(tm) get automatically CCed on the bug; this can be yourself and other old fogeys. 4. We debate to death on the bug itself, so that the requester can be aware of why his blog is / is not appropriate. 5. The blog gets added to the SVN module. I like the bug approach. Me too, but one thing I dislike of this bug approach is that to reject a patch based on technical reasons is pretty different to reject someone's feed because she/he doesn't have the merits, or other non-technical and more social reasons. Put another way, I would find it uncomfortable to say someone sorry, you don't belong here, so these situations should be avoided. I think that adding a requirement for the applicant to have someone from the community to sponsor her/his request (similar to the approach used in the Foundation membership) would contribute to avoid these situations most of the times. I personally didn't ask Jeff to include my feed until two or threes gnomie folks bugged me to do so, because I didn't want to feel rejected. If that had happened, I'd had asked these people to back me up. my 2 ¢ from a low profile contributor's POV. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Día del Software Libre, Curicó http://curico.diadelsoftwarelibre.cl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Can we improve things?
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 14:43 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Does this need to be any more complicated than having a planet-gnome module on SVN, and a README that says to add someone to the feed, put him in people.xml? Then anyone who has a SVN account can add someone else to Planet. That's the way things are handled ATM. With the exception that only Jeff is supposed to commit to the appropriate file (there's a README or HACKING somewhere there). Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Día del Software Libre, Curicó http://curico.diadelsoftwarelibre.cl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Creating new modules (was Re: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))
On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 17:01 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Then the daily summary could be in the planet gnome feed, perhaps. I don't know, I'm sure there are better solutions, and it's academic unless someone turns up who decides to try and code something. Just throwing out ideas. CIA.vc already provides some access to this information in a standard way. For instance, http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome/.rss for all the commits going in http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome/eog/.rss for all the commits in EOG http://cia.vc/stats/author/csaavedra/.rss for all my commits, etc. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Día del Software Libre, Curicó http://curico.diadelsoftwarelibre.cl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:44 -0700, Andy Tai wrote: It's like extending George Bush's term by two years... a rather drastic thing to do... That's an unfair comparison (despite your disclaimer). If you or anyone has concrete reasons for the current board not to extend its period, We'd like to read about them. Saying that it's a drastic thing to do without really justifying it is kinda stop energy to my taste. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: Shift election cycle back six months
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 22:21 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Currently the GNOME election process runs from November to December, and the new Board starts in January. GUADEC has traditionally been in June and July. If I remember correctly, that's the situation since last year, when we decided to switch boards with the year change. What I don't remember (and can't find in the rules you linked), is what was the situation before. When used the boards to switch before that? I'm just asking out of curiosity. I also agree with your proposal. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:09 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Miguel and Michael have done remarkable jobs in many situations, and as such deserve a lot of praise for those jobs. This one, however, is not a remarkable job and deserves critic. That's not the central point in Christian's response. Let's please keep this mailing list as respectful as it has always been. Please consider reading http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct when writing to this list. Thank you, Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Thank you everyone for a wonderful GUADEC 2007
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 16:36 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote: It is also a pleasure for me to inform you all that next years GUADEC 2008 will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Congratulations Barış and everyone behind this proposal! Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 19:02 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: FWIW... On 6/13/07, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Cooper wrote: * People aren't exactly falling over themselves to host and organise these things Agree - while we constantly pitch that organizing GUADEC can be an amazingly rewarding experience, the stress that we see the team going through (and people putting them through) isn't an encouragement. It's pretty much a full time job for a few months. I'd *love* to get to the stage where we could outsource the conference, but the last time we did that and outsourced an expo day, it was a bit of a disaster. Financially we're probably not in the position to do this either if people are expecting the conference to be free. This combined conference topic was brought up at DAM-4 last week in the Desktop Organization Panel session with jrb and I in the panel from GNOME and Lars and George (don't remember the last names) from KDE. When both sides mentioned that the logistics of such an event seemed quite difficult, someone pointed out that helping with this kind of collaboration is one of the reasons for the existence of the Linux Foundation. So, there may well be additional organizational resources available. So, why not giving a lift to GUADEMY and making of it an instance for KDE and GNOME hackers to get together once a year? There's this year's experience already, and it doesn't need to be huge and complicated as GUADEC and Akademy probably are right now. Just an instance and a place for the hardcore GNOME and KDE hackers to meet and share. Discuss. Get things done. From my observer position, I'd say something like the Boston summit -- it doesn't need to be a well-structured conference for everyone. If you want to achieve that, it can be as complicated as many have already pointed out. Claudio (Unfortunately, I didn't feel like there was much other feedback from the DAM conference this time, not even some listing of pain areas from others where we could improve. At least last time the LTSP folk told us about some gconf issues, which jrb handled.) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Planet is currently unmaintained
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:27 +0900, Davyd Madeley wrote: So a lot of people appear on IRC to check that someone is actually reading their emails re Planet and while Jeff did create Planet, it's now become a very important piece of GNOME's web presence. Maybe it's time to make a team responsible for it and feed its email into Request Tracker so that they know what email is handled. As Corey says, and by Jeff's own admission, Jeff is often crazy-busy and it's been this way since before linux.conf.au. I don't see that really changing any time soon. I would like to see a team (perhaps lead by Jeff?) formed to take responsibility for Planet. As far as I understand, there are tasks which could be separated, and would ease the Planet maintenance: - Technical maintenance: Removing or temporally disabling feeds which are not available. Updating hackergotchies, etc. - Editorial maintenance: Keep on eye on planet's readability, accept or reject requests for inclusion, etc. The first could be done by a small team willing to comaintain the planet, and require not too much besides good will and a SVN account. The second one, I think Jeff has done very well so far (leaving out the fact of him being so busy), and I think things could improve if he wouldn't need to take care of the first point. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Mentoring for GNOME in Google Summer of Code
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 16:27 +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote: On 19/04/2006, at 3:06 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: As you probably know by now, GNOME will be participating in the Google Summer of Code again this year. For details about the program visit:snip Behdad, is there any provision for students from the Southern Hemisphere? This opportunity doesn't arrive in their holidays, but in the busiest part of the educational year. My son is doing a computing degree, and I know he's interested, but he just doesn't have the time in the middle of the year. I wrote to Google about this last year, but got no response. I'm wondering if an organization like Gnome could represent the interests of Southern Hemisphere participants in this. Do you think that would be a useful way to approach the situation? I second Clytie's concern on this matter. In Chile we are in the worst moment to take part on such a program because we aren't in vacations, but at the end of the so-called first year's semester. Claudio -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Changing the name of GUADEC
On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 09:58 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 22:13 +0200, David Neary wrote: I would like to propose changing the name of GUADEC. There are many reasons to do this, here are 5: 1. There is no link to GNOME in the name, or to being a conference 2. No-one knows what it means, which means the first question people ask isn't when is it? or where is it? or who's going? it's what does it mean? 3. It sucks. 4. Do we really want to limit it to Europe? E stands also for Earth :) Also, DE can be changed from , Developers European to DEvelopers. :-) -- Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
