On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 08:25:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > If you (or anyone else) is interested talk to the board. That
> > is all it takes. I'd love to do it, but the weekly meet
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:15:11AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:23:57PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > >
> > > and I hope the Foundation will help make su
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> One question to candidates:
>
> Wil you promote the Foundation's participation on the reviewing
> of ODF?
>
> I'm sure it won't be for lack of a sponsor, but I think it is much more
> important to
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 12:56:09PM +, jamie wrote:
>
> MOOX is most likely to become irrelevant IMO
Not agreed.
> Firstly the de facto standard is doc, xls ... And that will not change
> for a long time
somewhat agreed. MS is not stupid. They learned the leason of
Office97 and will not be
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 04:11:11AM +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is no "neutral game" being played here. Concerns were raised that the
> > GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported
> > OOXML
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Funny then, that even after nothing being done by GNOME on TC45 since
> July (previous to OOXML vote on September 2) ECMA is still claiming
> GNOME participates in the disposition of comments:
>
> http://www.ecma-i
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 04:48:29PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > The membership can still push for a change from "not supporting" to
> > "actively opposing" given the debate now is more active.
>
> What does 'actively oppose' mean in concrete terms ?
> - Asking frivolous quest
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:58:34PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> However, the rest of the situations are not analogous. The ECMA
> committee has explicitly undertaken to make OOXML an ISO standard. If
> Gnumeric had explicitly undertaken to facilitate the sale of addictive
> drugs, that wou
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 04:54:22PM +0100, Keld J?rn Simonsen wrote:
>
> > OASIS = Organisation for the Advancement of Structured Information
> > Standards
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php
> > Yet another umbrella organisation.
>
> I was not aware that it is an umbrella orga
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:58:23PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> You said:
>
> > OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not.
>
> "The" defacto standard implies there is only one, and the sentence
> says it is not ODF.
That is a very good point Richard. I agre
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 11:53:15PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> |
> | ACTION: Behdad to contact Jody about the ECMA membership application and
> | find a good candidate from Abiword to attend. Behdad to work on getting
> | a press release for our membership.
>
> >From above, I don't see how the c
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:52:51PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>
> > > It is not the membership that is really detrimental, although you can
> > > bet Microsoft is spinning around that "open source likes OOXML" thanks
> > > to that.
> > People can spin things however they'd like. I'll i
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 02:04:14PM -0700, Andy Tai wrote:
> On 10/31/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 11:41 -0700, Andy Tai wrote:
> > > What was done is done. For the future...
> >
> > The idea and board's decision was transcribed in board meeting minute
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 07:08:30PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Here's something IBM's Rob Weir said about what ECMA is doing now:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The practical difficulty here is that of timing. While I have no doubt
> that Jody was instrumental in getting additional technic
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 03:32:23AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I think that The GNOME participating in OOXML lends it a credibility
> > it does not deserve. Joining ECMA TC45 would be like joining of the
> > political party you dislike the most to improve their politics.
>
>
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 07:58:22PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> Microsoft's goal is, by one means or another, to defeat free software
> which it now considers a serious threat. Whatever they do, it will not
> be a sincere standardization effort that offers no obstacle to free
> software imp
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 07:08:00PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not.
> To pretend otherwise is to deny that the sun will rise in the East
> tomorrow.
>
> Please don't be defeatist!
>
> We can and should try to make fr
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 11:11:07AM -0700, Andy Tai wrote:
> OOXML will be a de facto standard entirely due to Microsoft's dominant
> position in the computing industry... the fight is about preventing it to be
> a formal standard.
>
> We cannot prevent the former. We can prevent the later. A mor
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 09:32:52AM -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
>
> 3) acknowledge it and at least attempt to make it suck less for
> reimplementers, but use our presence there to highlight Microsoft's
> abusive, convicted monopolistic tendencies.
+1 vote for Luis as word smith par excellance.
Not o
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:33:25PM -0700, Andy Tai wrote:
> you don't join ECMA TC45 to prevent OOXML from becoming a standard.
- I fail to see how we have the power to materially manipulate the ISO process.
- It is already an ECMA standard.
- More importantly it is already a de-facto standard by
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:19:07AM +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> On 10/31/07, Jody Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nonsense. When GNOME joined ECMA I made an open request for other
> > members to join the TCs of interest. You could easily have
> > contacted
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:30:43AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:56:31PM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 02:55:07PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:00:58AM -0400, Jody Goldberg wro
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 11:02:46AM -0500, Shaun McCance wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly, now that Gnome is a member organization
> of the ECMA, we can put people on committees without paying any
> more for each person.
>
> Jody is absolutely qualified to take part in discussions about
> the OOXM
If that had been possible I would have done it that way, and avoided
the political fallout for GNOME. Unfortunately, there is no
provision for individual members of ECMA.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 06:12:26PM -0700, Andy Tai wrote:
> Maybe Jody's involvement can be just his personal activity and tot
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 02:55:07PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:00:58AM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote:
> > 2) OOX is a file format that is in use, and we will have to interact
> >with it. The opportunity to improve the spec and
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 12:15:44AM -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
> On 10/29/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > So, uh... this apparently didn't happen, and now we're getting flamed
> > > (rightfully) for appearing to give a stamp of approval to a deeply
> > > flawed standard.
Flawe
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 08:18:54PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote:
> On 6/10/07, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1) ECMA
> >
> >We have the opportunity of joining ECMA as a non-profit
> >member. Jody has expressed an interest in being a representative
> >for GNOME, and suggested it
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 04:27:05PM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote:
> Actually, no you can't. Perhaps there are those who know how much
> each board member has done but quite honestly, I have no clue. And
> short of manually pinging all of them and trying to extract the
> informa
Attendance:
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Owen Taylor (chairing)
Luis Villa
Christian Schaller
Jody Goldberg
David Neary
Tim Ney
Federico Mena-Quintero
Regrets:
Miguel de Icaza
Daniel Veillard
Jonathan Blandford
Murray Cumming
Thank You:
==
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