Re: Welcome to Didier Roche, new Board member!

[Vincent Untz]

Le mardi 30 janvier 2018, à 12:01 -0800, Nuritzi Sanchez a écrit :
> Welcome Didier, and thank you for accepting this position! We look forward
> to working together in the months ahead.

That's great news, Didier will be doing an amazing job on the board!

Vincent

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Re: This week in Gnome?

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Le jeudi 19 mai 2016, à 19:46 +, Luis Villa a écrit :
> Wikimedia has a pretty good "this week in", and it adds a lot of value. But
> it is a lot of work to do well.
> 
> (I seem to recall we even used to have one in GNOME, though I can't find
> evidence of that offhand. Would have been at least a decade ago.)

Thanks for reminding me of the old days :-)

Various people did that in the past:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1999-July/msg00021.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2001-April/msg00034.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2002-April/msg00068.html
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2004-March/msg00017.html

I think that last one is the last that was sent, but not really sure.

Cheers,

Vincent

> Luis
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2016, 6:33 PM Michael Catanzaro 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 23:36 +, John McHugh wrote:
> > > Was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to set up a this week
> > > in
> > > gnome blog.
> >
> > Can you make it happen?
> >
> > It sounds like a good idea to me, but it needs someone to make it
> > happen.
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Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of April 22nd, 2014

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Le vendredi 09 mai 2014, à 18:09 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
  * extending the term of the next board's term
   * hand over at GUADEC
   * up to 4 board meetings (June and July) overlap between the old and new 
 board

Doesn't the new board officially start on July 1st? That'd leave one or
two meetings of overlap until GUADEC, which is not so bad. Obviously
it'd be better to have no overlap, but unless we know for sure the dates
for GUADEC the year after the elections, it's hard to do so.

   * may be better to extend the next board's term by one month
   * more discussion on the mailing list, until the end of this week

Btw, what was the conclusion (since the elections are starting)? :-)

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Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.

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Le lundi 16 décembre 2013, à 16:38 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit :
 One quick question:
 On our side, there are two options we could go for, with
 different charges and laws associated :
 
 1) We can create a non-profit association.
 
 2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC),
   SARL in French.
 Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the
 Foundation hire the people?
 
 There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of
 legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and
 the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of
 involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might
 make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation
 to employ developers.
 
 I am not sure what you have in mind here, the solution we are proposing
 should be pretty straight forward in term of paperwork for the Gnome
 fundation.

I'm not saying your proposed options are bad. I'm suggesting to step
back a bit and consider if it makes sense for the Foundation to hire
developers (in this case, the pitivi maintainers) in general, and
consider a longer term investment, instead of contracting external
people.

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Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.

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Hi,

Le vendredi 13 décembre 2013, à 19:37 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit :
 Hi everyone !
 
 Following a discussion with Karen Sandler and other members of the
 gnome engagement team in the #engagement channel on gimpnet,
 it was decided that a mail to that list would be necessary, to
 expose the legal and technical aspects of the crowdfunding campaign
 we are about to start around the pitivi video editor.

I might have missed some info about this campaign, but it's the first
time I hear about it: it would be good if you could summarize the goals
and so on :-) Anyhow, I wish you the best!

One quick question:

 On our side, there are two options we could go for, with
 different charges and laws associated :
 
 1) We can create a non-profit association.
 
 2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC),
   SARL in French.

Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the
Foundation hire the people?

There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of
legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and
the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of
involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might
make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation
to employ developers.

Cheers,

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013

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Hi Karen,

Le mardi 26 novembre 2013, à 00:47 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit :
 As a lawyer I want to point out that the main thing about our trademark is
 to make sure that users (under the law: consumers) aren't confused about
 what comes from GNOME and what doesn't. This is extremely helpful when you
 have real jerks who try to distribute software that isn't GNOME or free
 software but use our name and logo to fool people into downloading it.I
 have seen some really bizarre uses of our logo and to my knowledge we have
 only enforced when we think the use is confusing. As was also pointed out
 by someone else, we've had many friendly discussions that have resulted in
 better uses of the marks for all.

Do you have some concrete examples of confusing/misleading uses of our
logo where we had to enforce our trademark?

It's been obviously quite some time, but from my years in the board, I
only remember misuses that were actually not in the software field, and
I wonder if things are the same or if it got worse.

Also, how do we define the right balance? In the Ubuntu GNOME example, I
would consider the project to be both part of the Ubuntu and GNOME
communities, so imho, it should be entitled to use our trademark.

Cheers,

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013

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Hi,

Le jeudi 21 novembre 2013, à 12:17 +, Allan Day a écrit :
 Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  Do we have examples of the guidelines hurting us?
 
  I can think of groups simply choosing to not use the GNOME logo anymore
  because they're afraid of not respecting the guidelines.
 
 I'd be interested in the specifics here. Could you send me contact
 details for the groups concerned?

I'd start with all the local groups that we have (see
https://wiki.gnome.org/UserGroups -- it's likely outdated, though) and
our downstreams (contact would be distributor-list).

  If I was
  completely new to the community, and I'd read the guidelines, I'd simply
  think that it's simpler to not use the logo at all. I'd not even ask...
 
  This hurts because I can imagine local groups not doing stickers,
  flyers, etc. because they'd be afraid of the guidelines. Back in the
  days when we started GNOME-FR, there were no guidelines so we went crazy
  and did many different things; we wouldn't have done all that with the
  current guidelines.
 
 Yeah, so the thing that I think we really miss is some examples of
 what is cool to do. Like examples of t-shirts and stickers, and
 original designs based on the logo. My understanding is that this
 would require some work from the board...

What about all the goodies we had at FOSDEM and GUADEC in the last 7 or
8 years? :-)

 Right now the guidelines are pretty unfriendly (especially the
 guidelines for third parties, which is one of the things I don't like
 about them) and only really cover what you can't do, rather than what
 you can. The new page I wrote makes an effort to do away with as much
 unfriendliness as possible, but could be more welcoming and
 accessible.

Just to give an example of what we do in openSUSE:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines

To be clear, this page is clearly not the most friendly page out there
(too complex), but it explicitly gives many examples of what can be done
without requesting permission.

  In the Ubuntu GNOME case, I think it's fair to ask about the logo,
  irrespective of the trademark guidelines. Their logo [1] is
  essentially the same as the GNOME logo itself; some differentiation
  seems beneficial for both them and us. We don't have to be unfriendly
  about it, but then a dialogue about how they can help to support the
  GNOME brand doesn't seem like a bad thing.
 
  Of course it's fair, but to be honest, I'm fine with them using our
  logo. Fedora and openSUSE both use our logo too:
http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops
http://software.opensuse.org/131/en
 
  Sure, the context is slightly different, because you see all the flavors
  on the same page for Fedora and openSUSE, while it's not the case for
  Ubuntu GNOME. But it feels the same.
 
 The seem like different types of cases to me, to be honest.  Using the
 GNOME foot as a logo for an independent project seems of a different
 type to indicating that GNOME is featured in a piece of software. (The
 latter is stated as fair use by the third party guidelines, fwiw.)

Here's the thing: I don't see Ubuntu GNOME as an independent project,
but as the result of the work of the GNOME team in Ubuntu, in very much
the same way the GNOME team in openSUSE is able to produce a pretty good
openSUSE+GNOME-based live image. And quoting their wiki page: Ubuntu
GNOME is an official flavour of Ubuntu, featuring the GNOME desktop
environment. [1] That seams to match pretty well what you wrote above
about Fedora and openSUSE.

And really, coming back to one of my initial feeling: I actually want
them to use our logo so they can help promote GNOME!

Cheers,

Vincent

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME

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Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013

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Hi,

Le dimanche 10 novembre 2013, à 13:43 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
  * Non-profit contract with Wau Holland Stiftung
   * Coming to a close
   * Needs review on board-list

Just for the benefit of others who might be lacking the context (I had
to look at previous minutes): Wau Holland Stiftung would help us collect
funds in Europe.

  * Ubuntu GNOME trademark usage
   * The team is using the GNOME logo for their Ubuntu spin
   * We recommended they should not use the GNOME logo in the current form
   * '''ACTION''': Karen to contact the Ubuntu GNOME spin team for
 their use of the GNOME trademark

Can we get more details on this? I'm obviously lacking context, but it
sounds disappointing that downstreams cannot use the GNOME logo to
promote GNOME spins/flavors they're doing. (Saying that as an openSUSE
guy, who's not involved in Ubuntu GNOME in any way :-))

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates

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Le lundi 20 mai 2013, à 22:39 +0800, Max a écrit :
 Hello Fabiana
 
 I am not the board member, but I just think about your suggestion.
 Maybe we could have a blog which all board members co-write for that blog.
 And for everything board did with the article, we cloud give it a tag, for
 example GUADEC or GNOME.Asia.
 Foudation members could sumbit the blog RSS to see what is happening, and
 go to the blog website filter the tag to see what's happen recently.  Ask
 some question in the blog.
 
 I have no idea it's good or not.  Maybe wiki is a good choice too.

http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/

(it's not really alive, though)

Vincent

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Re: New service: Jabber.gnome.org

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Hi,

Le lundi 29 avril 2013, à 13:21 +0200, Andrea Veri a écrit :
 Hello Foundation members,
 
 the new Jabber istance I promised I while back is ready to go. Some details
 about it:

Thanks for your work on this!

 1. Which software are we using?
 
 We're currently using Prosody [1].
 
 2. How JIDs will look like?
 
 JIDs will look this way: j...@jabber.gnome.org (this to prevent any
 confusion between the mail alias @gnome.org and the JID used for the
 jabberd service.

I assume this means that XMPP subscriptions that were existing in the
old server will be lost with the new server. Is it possible to get an
export of the old subscriptions?

Thanks,

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Re: New service: Jabber.gnome.org

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Le mardi 30 avril 2013, à 12:03 +0200, Andrea Veri a écrit :
 I did successfully export Daniel's roster and mailed it to him. Did the
 same for you, that's all I can see on the database for the entry 'vuntz'.
 As a side note if any old member had an huge number of registered contacts,
 I can try to retrieve them from the old database if that's really needed.
 
 Contact me on IRC if you need further assistance.

Thanks a lot for your help (and doing that so fast!)

Vincent

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Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, à 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn a écrit :
 Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be
 discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good
 standing?
 
 For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I
 was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee.

Actually, such discussions are now publicly archived (even though
there are still private mails every now and then, I guess):
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/membership-committee/

But that only happens when the person applies (or re-applies) for
membership, but not on foundation-list, and such discussions are lead by
the membership committee.

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Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012

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Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 16:57 -0500, Shaun McCance a écrit :
 On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:16 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
  Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
   On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote:
For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the
W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some
working groups
   Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that
   happened?
  
  There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group,
  for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this
  WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel
  Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the
  XML working group.
 
 Daniel is officially Red Hat's representative on the XML Core
 Working Group. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't also bring
 GNOME's interests to the table. One option is asking advisory
 board members to put people on working groups who can represent
 our interests.
 
 And perhaps we should just try to get more of our developers on
 working groups as invited experts. I'm on the MultilingalWeb-LT
 working group because of my itstool work, for example. But there
 are benefits to being a member organization.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't become a member
organization. I'm simply giving the current board some background, given
that the topic was raised several years ago. Back then, it was concluded
we didn't need any of the benefits you get when you are a member; things
might be different today -- I'm not aware of the context of the current
discussion :-)

Vincent

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Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012

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Le mardi 20 novembre 2012, à 14:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
  * Joining the W3C
   * Accessibility team have discussed the possibility of GNOME joining
 the W3C in order to have a stake in the emerging standards.

For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the
W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some
working groups (the invited experts can't vote, though).

Cheers,

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Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012

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Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
 Bonjour Vincent :-)
 
 Thanks a lot for your valuable input!
 
 On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote:
  For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the
  W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some
  working groups
 Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that
 happened?

There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group,
for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this
WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel
Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the
XML working group.

In general we do know people at the W3C or in the relevant W3C working
groups, so we can simply reach out to them to know what's the best way
to contribute, and how to do so.

Cheers,

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Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!

[Vincent Untz]

Hi Tristan,

Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, à 16:56 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom a écrit :
 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
  The wrong idea of course is that people think we're just removing features
  for no apparent reason even though for instance fallback mode was never
  guarantee.  We need to correct those misconceptions.
 
 Are you saying that a fallback mode was never guaranteed ?

I don't think it was guaranteed for the whole GNOME 3 lifecycle
(although, I personally believe it might have been nice to do so, but
our resources makes it impossible). Keep in mind that when 3.8 will be
out next March, it will be nearly two years since the 3.0 relese --
that's quite some time already.

[...]

 Perhaps what we need is not a person/group of people working
 for 'good press' and telling people that we have their best interests
 at heart, but rather a bit more transparency in how we make our
 decisions... reinstating our module proposals might be a good
 first step towards including the whole community and getting them
 more involved in decision making again.

Did you miss the discussion on desktop-devel-list about the future of
the fallback mode [1]? If no, how could it have been made more
transparent?

To me, the discussion clearly highlighted that there was a problem of
manpower to keep maintaining the fallback mode an official part of
GNOME, with the quality standards we expect from such an official
component.

Cheers,

Vincent

[1] 
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00107.html

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Re: Minutes for the Board Meeting of July 13, 2012

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Le vendredi 24 août 2012, à 20:07 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
 Hello :)
 
 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 05:19:00PM +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
  On 24 August 2012 16:09, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
   Actually, even more useful would be notice of the agenda for board 
   meetings
   to foundation-list a couple of days before they happen. Would that be
   possible?
  
  [...] do other board
  members and foundation members have any objection?
  
 No. I really like the idea of having a public agenda. That would enable 
 people to participate more closely. If we could make MoinMoin render 
 private items only to those who are supposed to read them (maybe we find 
 someone to write a MoinMoin plugin..?) we would be probably be able to 
 expose the Agenda and the Minutes pretty much directly after the 
 meetings. But well, as that's likely not going to happen, we probably 
 will have to send the Agenda (in what ever state it will be) around 
 manually.

A long time ago, we used to have a wiki page for the public agenda, and
a wiki page for the private agenda, that was also including (via a
wiki command) the public agenda. So for the board, it was no additional
work.

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Re: Minutes for the Board Meeting of July 24, 2012

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Hi,

Le vendredi 24 août 2012, à 16:03 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
  * Bylaws
* Status of the bylaws
* Lots of updates: typo fixes, updates after the referenda (2004, 2007)
* Send the diff to foundation-list before GUADEC starts

I don't think this was done. Can the diff get sent? :-)

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Re: US Members

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Le vendredi 03 août 2012, à 14:05 -0700, Luis Villa a écrit :
 Didn't we have a map of member locations at some point? Or was that just
 p.g.o blogs?

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide

Not sure if the map is still being automatically updated, though.

Vincent

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Suggestions for format of AGM next year

[Vincent Untz]

Hi all,

I thought a bit about the AGM we had a few days ago, and I'd like to
suggest we find a different format for next year.

Here's a list of issues with the current format, from what I saw this
year:

 - it was a bit too long. A small break might have helped.

 - the discussion about changing the release team had to be cut, because
   it would have used too much time needed for the other reports.
   However, I think this is a discussion a lot of people cared about and
   that could have been used more time. Especially since we had everyone
   in a room, which helps communication. Hopefully, the GNOME OS BoF was
   useful for this (I missed it, so don't know).

 - I didn't feel there was a lot said about the Foundation itself. Sure,
   there were a few slides at the end, but that was not that much
   detailed, and because of the short remaining time, it went really
   fast.

 - obviously, we should have had time for questions. Questions from the
   members, but also from the board to members (to bootstrap discussion
   on some topics).

 - it might be a good idea to have some kind of document sent before the
   AGM to foundation-list or the members, so we have more details about
   what's going to be discussed. This could be just the slides, or
   something different. Having some time to ponder about the content is
   useful, and that could lead to more questions or some improved
   discussion.

Note that I'm not blaming the board or anyone. I could as well blame
myself as a past board member or as someone who worked on the schedule
for this GUADEC :-)

I know the KDE eV is using a full day for their AGM at Akademy. This
leaves a lot of time for discussion. That being said, I'm not sure
that'd work well for us: would we be happy to dedicate a full day to
this? I'm not so sure, as the GUADEC program is already full.

Another approach would be to split the team reports and the AGM in two
different slots. Easy to do and not that much impact. Probably something
we could try next year?

Cheers,

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Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)

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Le dimanche 29 juillet 2012, à 11:23 +0200, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
 I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working
 with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following
 the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to
 commit-digest and no to gnome-memes.

If we add those feeds, I think it'd be nice to style them a little bit
differently on pgo so that it's obvious that they're not personal blogs.
This is useful for people who'll want to skim over pgo and only read
those news.

Cheers,

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Re: Database's machine DOWN

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Le dimanche 03 juin 2012, à 21:19 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
 On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 06:02:38PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
  we applied today a few updates on our main Mysql host (drawable) and a 
  faulty reboot prevents the machine to get up again.
  
  We've contacted the Red Hat IT already and hopefully the issue will be 
  fixed anytime soon. (no ETA though)
 
 Hardware (RAID) problems. This is going to take a while. Meaning:
 setting up mysql and restoring backups. People are still working on it.

Is the sql database for the elections impacted by this? If yes, is there
a risk that some votes got lost?

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Re: Conference about Gnome in my french school

[Vincent Untz]

Salut,

Le mardi 03 avril 2012, à 22:02 +0200, Albin a écrit :
 Dear Sirs,
 
 Before everything else, I will introduce myself. I am actually a french
 student. I am studying for my engineer degree in computer sciences.
 
 My school teaches us a lot of different contents during the formation.
 There are some conferences during the 3 last years of this formation,
 during which students can listen to professionals working in their future
 domain.
 
 Unfortunately, a very few are about Linux world or just explain some very
 tricky points. A lot of students are thinking that Linux is only for
 scientific and hard problems resolution. Personally, I don't think so, so
 I want to show this point of view to students of my school.
 
 I think that Gnome helps to make the Linux world more user-friendly and
 make able non-fully qualified people to access to the Linux provided tools.
 With this goal in mind, I would like to organize a conference in my school,
 also in french language, with for title Linux is for common users too or
 something like that.
 
 Before to go to my school's administration, I would like to speak to some
 Gnome involved people. So I wish I am writing to the correct list. For
 information, the person in the CC field is a school-friend.
 
 Thank you very much for reading me. Hoping we can make something together.

This is a great idea! I'm not sure who would be able to go to Tours
(it's likely easier for people in Paris than for others), but we can try
to make it work.

We can discuss all this on the gnome-fr-list, I suggest you join it and
start a thread there :-)

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Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement

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Richard,

Le mardi 21 février 2012, à 07:10 -0500, Richard Stallman a écrit :
 There are several countries in Asia which require their visitors to
 give fingerprints.  These include South Korea, Japan, and Malaysia.
 Indonesia may be starting to do this too.
 
 I hope we will avoid those countries.

The US also require visitors to give their fingerprints. This actually
lead some of our contributors to avoid events like the Boston Summit.

Still, I think it's important that we do events in as many countries as
possible (even in those with such a policy), since it's the best way to
reach out to the local people and help create a vibrant community there.

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Re: The GNOME Foundation has a new home

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Le vendredi 17 février 2012, à 00:15 +0100, Andrea Veri a écrit :
 The new Foundation's website can be reached at the following link:
 
 http://www.gnome.org/foundation

That's great news! The old website was starting to feel really outdated
;-)

Cheers,

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 29, 2011

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Le mardi 24 janvier 2012, à 17:38 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
 Wiki: https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/2029 

Thanks for the minutes!

Note that the wiki version still has some ACL and is not readable (same
for the minutes for the three other meetings). Could you fix it?

Thanks,

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Re: Boston Summit logistics (was Re: Desktop Summit Planning)

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Richard,

Le vendredi 16 décembre 2011, à 10:39 -0500, Richard Stallman a écrit :
 Thanks so much for offering to look into this, Richard! I hear that the
 Stata Center was a better location in the past than the Economics Building
 if we have the choice...
 
 When it was in the Stata Center, which rooms were they?  If I get the
 room numbers, I will know exactly what to ask for.

I never went to a Boston Summit in the Stata Center, but in 2004 and
2005, we had rooms 124 and 144 (according to schedules on the wiki:
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2004/TheSchedule and
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005/TheSchedule)

In the last few years, I think we had E51-315, E51-325, E51-335, E51-345
(in the Tang Center).

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Re: proposal to change GNOME's trademark guidelines

[Vincent Untz]

Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011, à 20:13 -0400, Karen Sandler a écrit :
  This requirement is waived in all contexts where such marks are not
  normally included, such as email, online discussion, package names,
  non-graphical advertisements (when permitted), and academic papers.
  We encourage the use of the symbol whenever possible, but recognize
  that many non-commercial and informal uses will omit it.
 
 We want to make sure that people can use GNOME software and talk about it
 freely without unreasonable restrictions. The aim is to adopt this
 amendment to the policy in two weeks if there are no objections. Public
 discussion here about it would be great, and folks can contact me
 privately too if they want to.

+1 for this change.

But I wonder if we shouldn't go further: I find it really ugly that we
have to put the TM next to the GNOME logo on our t-shirts, for
instance... If this is covered by the many non-commercial and informal
uses that will omit the symbol, then I actually wonder: when should it
not be omitted?

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Re: GNOME booth at LinuxTag 2011 - openSuSE DVDs

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le lundi 16 mai 2011, à 17:58 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
 Also many thanks to openSuSE for their Live DVDs. They were highly
 appreciated and we could use them very efficiently to attract people and
 start conversations.
 If you happen to want a box of DVDs, contact me or Vincent. We'll
 somehow arrange shipping.

I've added more specific instructions to request DVDs at
https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/PromoDVD

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Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot

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Hi,

Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 15:55 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit :
 On 23/05/11 15:08, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
 Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com  a écrit:
 
 
 That's always needed too of course, but when you have potential
 customers asking who can provide support for projects X, Y and Z, do
 you really want to be in a position where you have no answer?
 
 Oh, you mean when a potential customer comes to the /Foundation Board/,
 asking that question?
 
 Indeed.
 
 I didn't understand it that way.  Sorry to ask a question as a reply,
 
 No problem at all ;)
 
 but does that happen already?  If yes, how did the board handle it so
 far?
 
 Yes, I believe so, perhaps Vincent can best comment here.

While the companies we talk to usually have evaluated the GNOME world
and know about companies like Collabora, Codethink, Igalia, Lanedo,
etc., it can happen that the board gets contacted to introduce people.

FWIW, the two specific examples I remember are:

 - at FOSDEM, someone from a company I forgot discussed multitouch with
   me while I was on the booth and was wondering about multitouch
   support in GTK+ and who to contact for that. The fact that I was on
   the board was not really relevant, though -- I just happened to be on
   the booth, really.

 - at GUADEC, someone wanted to meet the Lanedo people and came to me to
   make that happen, because I was on the board (well, okay, I wasn't
   anymore since I had just left, but you get the point :-)). In that
   case, the person already knew Lanedo.

When Stormy was ED, she might have been contacted for that kind of
things too.

So I wouldn't say it happens very often, but it does happen every now
and then. That being said, the issue is not what do we do when
potential customers come and ask us? (we can easily redirect them to
all the companies in our ecosystem), but how do we make sure potential
customers don't believe there is no ecosystem to help them?. And for
that, a webpage is a good start, I think.

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Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot

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Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit :
 It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board
 should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think
 that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I
 think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board
 permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election.

Two questions on this:

 - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself?

 - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the
   GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented?

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Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot

[Vincent Untz]

Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 00:14 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit :
  It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board
  should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think
  that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I
  think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board
  permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election.
 
 Two questions on this:
 
  - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself?
 
  - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the
GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented?

Sorry for the second mail, but I wanted to clarify that I'm not implying
you should not run for the board :-)

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 29th, 2011

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Le mardi 26 avril 2011, à 10:52 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit :
 On 26/04/11 08:34, Vincent Untz wrote:
 Le mardi 26 avril 2011, à 08:11 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit :
 I get the feeling there isn't much interest in this?
 
 You should take silence as people should feel free to go ahead and do
 it instead of as a sign of no interest, imho :-)
 
 I would be happy to instantiate this, however, the only web space I
 really control is the GTK+ website and the Tracker website. I would
 rather not start putting Lanedo service advertisements directly on
 there, but rather link to a central place on gnome.org.
 
 Alternatively, I could start a live.gnome.org page to thrash out the
 details (for review) and then perhaps put something on:

I think putting some draft on a wiki page (or anywhere else) is a good
start).

   http://www.gnome.org/support-gnome/

Ah, this one is about How people are supporting, as in helping, GNOME
(with time and money). I guess we'd want another page -- it's a bit of
an issue that support can be used in those two ways, it's a bit
confusing. Maybe commercial-support? Anyway, the web team can
certainly find a good name once we have content :-)

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Re: Stock trademark licensing agreements?

[Vincent Untz]

Le mercredi 16 mars 2011, à 16:06 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit :
[...]

 This was the idea behind the GNOME user group agreement. Has anyone else
 done anything similar? Did it help the community feel more control over
 the project brand?

openSUSE has trademark guidelines:
 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines

The guidelines explicitly authorizes some common uses for the openSUSE
trademark, with no form to fill.

They're being improved right now, and the latest draft can be seen at:
 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00321.html

I do believe it did help the community feel more control, yes.

Of course, that's a bit different than in the GNOME case: the general
feeling before those guidelines was that the trademark was completely
controlled by Novell (who owned it) -- and we can't simply compare a
company with lawyers, like Novell, to the GNOME Foundation. But it did
help :-)

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Re: Website content licensing

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Le lundi 14 mars 2011, à 09:43 +, Allan Day a écrit :
 The GNOME project is the copyright holder. Does this mean it is
 straightforward to make the switch in these two instances? Do we require
 a formal OK from the foundation?

I think you're referring to the footer on the web page? I believe the
GNOME project being marked as copyright holder here is just a way to say
copyright held by many contributors to the GNOME project. I don't
think anybody signed any paper to assign copyrights for the website
changes that were done to the Foundation.

So to answer your question: it is probably more complex than what you're
hoping :/

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Re: Dropping TM when using GNOME Brand?

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Le mercredi 02 mars 2011, à 09:09 -0600, Brian Cameron a écrit :
 
 Vincent:
 
 A few years ago, it was agreed that it's fine to use the GNOME logo with
 just GNOME instead of GNOME™: the trademark is still valid even if we
 don't explicitly put the ™. Is this still valid?
 
 Use cases:
   - GNOME logo during boot of the GNOME 3 live image
   - GNOME logo in the System Information panel of the control center
   - etc.
 
 I asked our legal folks this question, and they responded as follows:
 
  Yes, it is recommended that you generally use the Tm, but in isolated
  instances it's fine to go without.
 
 I hope this is helpful.

I understand that as it's okay to remove the TM in the two examples I
gave. If someone disagrees, shout loud :-)

Thanks,

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 15th, 2011

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Thanks for the minutes! It's good to see we're using money for great
stuff. Just one question:

Le mardi 01 mars 2011, à 14:11 -0600, Brian Cameron a écrit :
 * Dave Neary's Advisory board request
   o ACTION: Paul to send email to the Advisory Board to request
 for help.

What is the request? :-) There is no context, so it's hard to know.
Maybe it's a private item, though?

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Dropping TM when using GNOME Brand?

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

A few years ago, it was agreed that it's fine to use the GNOME logo with
just GNOME instead of GNOME™: the trademark is still valid even if we
don't explicitly put the ™. Is this still valid?

Use cases:
 - GNOME logo during boot of the GNOME 3 live image
 - GNOME logo in the System Information panel of the control center
 - etc.

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Re: Finance-related documents on two pages

[Vincent Untz]

Le jeudi 24 février 2011, à 12:35 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit :
 Hi Vincent,
 
 This seems like a good idea.  Help is always is appreciated.  ;)

Any preference from the board (well, from Germán, I guess, since he's
likely the one who's going to update the future unique) for one of the
two pages?

I'd think having all this on our website instead of the wiki would be
better, but I do understand it's much easier to update the wiki...

Vincent

 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  I was looking around for the budget and I see that we have two pages for
  finane-related documents:
 
   http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/
   http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/FinancialStatus

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Finance-related documents on two pages

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Hi,

I was looking around for the budget and I see that we have two pages for
finane-related documents:

  http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/FinancialStatus

Should we merge them somehow? Want help for that?

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Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)

[Vincent Untz]

Le vendredi 18 février 2011, à 10:24 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit :
 I think we should be willing to do for GNOME projects what the SFC does for
 their projects.

Big +1. That's one of the goals of the Foundation, imho; and as Stormy
points out, we already do that for some projects.

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Re: Official announcement and invitation to GNOME 3.0 Hackfest and GNOME.Asia Summit 2011

[Vincent Untz]

Le vendredi 21 janvier 2011, à 23:41 +0800, Frederic Muller a écrit :
 So Hackfest registration is happening here:
 http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GNOME.Asia2011 , call for papers for
 the conference is here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/CallForPaper
 and conference registration will be opening soon.

What's the plan on the marketing team side? Do we have people who can
go? I didn't see any replies on marketing-list to the previous mails,
unless I missed something.

Vincent

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GNOME Policy on Copyright Assignment

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Several months ago, the Release Team contacted the GNOME Foundation to
know what should be done if a module proposed for inclusion in GNOME
requires a copyright assignment. There was no policy for this at that
time, so the Board discussed the topic with the Advisory Board and asked
Bradley Kuhn and Michael Meeks to draft a policy.

After some iterations and feedback from various people, the policy was
approved by the board. You can find the whole policy at:

  http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment

The very short summary is that the inclusion of a new module in GNOME
that requires copyright assignment has to be explicitly approved on a
case-by-case basis by both the Release Team and the GNOME Foundation
Board. The decision will be made based on criteria explained in the
policy as well as in this additional document:

  http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment/Guidelines

Note that this does not cover external dependencies.

This clarifies a situation where the Release Team was faced with a
decision it was uncomfortable to take alone, since it implied
non-technical aspects. We feel that this policy and the criteria that are
considered for decisions by the Release Team and the Board reflect the
position of the community.

Many thanks to Bradley and Michael who worked hard to produce those two
documents, and to adjust them based on feedback that was received!

Thanks,

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GNOME Speaker Guidelines

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Hi,

Several months ago, people raised the issues of some inappropriate
comments made during various talks. The board worked on resolving those
issues, and then proposed the creation of guidelines to have better ways
to limit such inappropriate comments, as well as to answer similar
issues that would be raised in the future.

The result is a document listing a set of guidelines to help speakers
avoid offending the audience, in order to have the talks enjoyed by as
many people as possible:

 http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines

We would like to encourage everybody who will deliver at a talk at a
GNOME event, or who will represent GNOME with a GNOME talk at other
events, to go read those guidelines!

Many thanks to Matthew Garrett for his initial work on this, and to the
community for the feedback sent after we've published a draft of this
document.

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: Ensuring GNOME 3 is a Success

[Vincent Untz]

Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 06:19 -0700, Sandy Armstrong a écrit :
 On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Brian Cameron
 brian.came...@oracle.com wrote:
 
  You let us know overwhelmingly that ensuring that GNOME 3 is a success
  is the #1 priority that the GNOME Foundation should be working on
  according to the survey Stormy ran last January.[1]
 
  Sorry, but the reference in my previous email pointed to a non-public
  link.  The survey I am talking about is here:
 
  [1]
  http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2010-January/msg00135.html
 
 Our of curiosity, are the results of this survey public?

We just realized they're not. We're working on it :-)

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Re: GNOME Foundation Board Elections Spring 2010 - Preliminary Results

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le mercredi 16 juin 2010, à 01:57 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
 Candidates in order of (first) votes received, with affiliations:

May I suggest that, in the future, you don't put this list in the
announcement since it's different from the results? It was a bit
confusing at first (for me, at least) to have two different lists :-)

[...]

 If the results are not challenged, then the elected directors will be:
 
   Brian Cameron
   Emily Chen
   Paul Cutler
   Og Maciel
   Germán Póo-Caamaño
   Andreas Nilsson
   Bastien Nocera

Congratulations to Emily, Brian, Paul, Og, Germán, Andreas and Bastien!
Diego, Jonh, Baris, Seif: I'm sure you'll find ways to contribute to the
Foundation without being on the board!

 The Committee would like to thank all the voters and all the candidates.

And thanks to the elections committee! :-)

Vincent

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Re: Voting with nonfree software???

[Vincent Untz]

Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 09:43 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 Tobias Mueller wrote:
  I looked at the page source; the code is nontrivial, so the issue
  is nontrivial too.
 
  Would you please put a free software license on that Javascript code
  today?  I will try again to vote tomorrow and Sunday.
 
  Dave, AFAIK does the JavaScript part come from you (not to blame you ;-)
  ), so would you put the code under a free license?
 
 Yes - and of course, please put the code under GNU GPL v2.0 or later, if
 there is no other licence on it already.
 
 Note that this is a modified version of what was used before:
 http://git.gnome.org/browse/foundation-web/tree/foundation.gnome.org/vote

Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's
the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-)

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Re: Voting with nonfree software???

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Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 18:16 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit :
 Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's
 the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-)
 
 Can we use GPLv3+?  That would set a good example for developers
 of other programs.

I usually release my code under GPLv2+ or some BSD/MIT license. I don't
want to change this until I find enough time to look closely at all this
so I can decide if I'm happy with the change.

(I invite people willing to convince me one way or the other to reply
privately, since I doubt this is of interest to foundation-list)

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Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

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Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 01:13 -0400, Sergey Panov a écrit :
 On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:45 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: 
  On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov si...@sipan.org wrote:
   I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that
   project is not just manned by the RedHat employees, but controlled by
   the company
  
  It's controlled by the people doing the work, like any other project.
  
  What does it mean to be controlled by the company?  It sounds a bit
  far-fetched.
 
 I was not speaking for myself, I still hope RedHat is an unusual
 company. But I can see how people can project their own experiences in
 the corporate environment on inner workings of RedHat. In other
 companies, the lead engineers are interacting with FOSS communities
 directly, but the dark cardinals(aka managers) control development
 behind the scene. 

Let me try to address the suspicion you're highlighting here, with a few
examples we could have if we follow the same kind of rationale:

 - empathy is controlled by Collabora
 - gnome-panel is controlled by Novell
 - gobject-introspection is controlled by Litl. Or Red Hat now. Or both.
 - orca is/was controlled by Sun/Oracle.
 - etc.

It's just the way maintainership works. We can always assume there are
dark cardinals or whatever. Or we can see who are the people working on
those projects and see if we trust them based on what they achieved in
our community. I do trust Guillaume, Xavier, Johan, Colin, Willie and
many other people from various companies. (I kind of trust myself too
;-))

Now, why wouldn't we trust Owen and Jon for GNOME Shell?

And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're
doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting
them.

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Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

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Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 11:54 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit :
 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're
  doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting
  them.
 
 But would't you like to have the points you disagree with be discussed or
 reevaluated?

Sure. And this can happen if I have time.

 I think this is the issue the community is facing. There is a difference
 between We are going to do it like that because we think its right, and
 that is how it is gonna be and We are doing it like that because we think
 it is right, but we are open for discussion
 Right now the Shell developers are somewhere between both stand points. I
 know some developers who were able to cooperate with them. But I think
 more transparency around discussions and evaluations are missing.

Really, how is it different from what's happening in any other module? I
can certainly blame Guillaume and Xavier for not being able to have
metacontacts in empathy today while it's something I asked two years
ago; but they've chosen to do it the way they believe is right, which
happens to take more time. What was the way for me to change this? It's
easy: I could have get more involved and send a patch.

That's the same for GNOME Shell. (Except that for the design part, you
don't send a patch, you participate in a discussion and the discussion
should be well argued.)

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A few questions for the candidates

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Hi,

I originally wanted to have some questions included in the list of
questions sent by the membership committee, but I feel like waiting for
Friday while the voting period is already opened is waiting a long time
and I'm not being patient here :-)

I apologize because some of those questions are most likely a bit easier
to answer for people who are already on the board...

1) I've read with interest the mails from the candidates announcing
   they're running, and most (if not all -- I didn't double-check)
   include some motivations with examples of what they'd be interested
   in working on.
   Why are those tasks/ideas things you cannot work on while not being
   on the board?

2) What are your non-usual (ie, not code, not translations, not
   documentation, etc.) contributions as a GNOME Foundation member?
   (organizing events, pushing people to do things, finding sponsors,
   etc. are all possible answers)

3) What is your opinion on the co-location of Akademy and GUADEC in
   2011? And if you think it was not the best choice, will you still be
   able to help it happen?

4) How much free time per week do you think you will be able to allocate
   for the board? (I'm very well aware that this could be 0 for some
   weeks, and 100% of your time for other weeks; I'm just asking in
   general)

5) Are you okay giving up some of your current GNOME
   responsabilities/activities to join the board? (give up a maintainer
   hat, or hack less, or participate less in a specific team) Or do you
   think it won't be necessary and why?
   (I know it's a bit related to the previous question :-))

6) Will you be interested in being treasurer, president or secretary if
   elected? If yes, which role and why?

7) What do you think of the current GNOME Foundation budget? Had you
   read it at least once before reading this mail?
   (it's okay if you didn't look at it before, btw)

8) What do you think our next fundraising campaign should be about?
   (I'd love to not read 11 times the same answer, thanks :-))

9) Will you be at GUADEC this year? (there's a board meeting and an
   advisory board meeting there)

10) Make or break question: what's your favorite french expression?

Thanks,

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Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2010 - The candidates

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Le mercredi 26 mai 2010, à 15:13 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
 Probably said somewhere, but how many people will be in the board? 7?

Yes, no change, still 7.

Vincent

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Deadline to announce candidacies is tonight UTC (was Re: Announcing GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2010)

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le mardi 04 mai 2010, à 00:45 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit :
 CANDIDACY
 =
 
 If you want to run for one of the seven places in the Board of
 Directors, send an email to foundation-annou...@gnome.org and
 electi...@gnome.org with your full name, e-mail, corporate affiliation
 (if any), and a description of your reasons for wanting to serve as a
 director.
 
 Candidacies must be announced prior to 2010-05-23, 23:59 UTC.

I just want to remind everyone that this deadline is in less than 7
hours. I hope we'll have many people sending their candidacy soon to
make sure we maintain our long tradition of last-minute candidacies :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Starting the process for this year's Boston Summit

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Hi,

Le mercredi 19 mai 2010, à 10:25 -0400, John Palmieri a écrit :
 The reasons for piggybacking the Plumbers conference is that a number
 of our fellow GNOMies will already be in Boston and we might get a few
 stragglers from other parts of the Linux stack to stop by and offer
 their perspective.

I lean towards keeping our usual date, but if moving to November can
help get more people that we'd want to have at the Summit (because it's
easier for companies, from a travel budget perspective), then it's a
different story.

Do we have any idea how many fellow GNOMies will go to the Plumbers
conference but not to Boston Summit, and who? (for example, based on
people who participated to the events last year)

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Call for hosts for Akademy/GUADEC 2011: deadline extended

[Vincent Untz]

The KDE and GNOME communities are looking for a host for the Desktop
Summit 2011, the prime free desktop software event in 2011. The Desktop
Summit is the joining of the annual conferences of KDE and GNOME,
following up on the success of the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit. To give
potential hosts some more time to prepare quality proposals, the boards
have decided to extend the submission deadline to June 9th 2010.

For details see the call for hosts [1]. Please send your proposals for
hosting the Desktop Summit 2011 to the boards of KDE e.V.
(kde-ev-bo...@kde.org) and the GNOME Foundation (board-l...@gnome.org)
no later than June 9th. Please also feel free to contact us in case of
any questions.

Vincent

[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2010-March/msg4.html

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Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, April 24th

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

The next IRC meeting of the Foundation will be held next Saturday. Or
Friday, depending on where you live :-) (As a reminder, we decided to
rotate the meeting time every month)

When: Saturday, April 24th, from 00:00 to 01:00 UTC
Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

This is the morning in Australia, morning/night in Asia, night in
Europe, afternoon/evening in Americas. To make sure you don't miss it,
you can find your local time for the meeting:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4day=24year=2010hour=0min=0sec=0p1=0

The IRC meetings are really a good opportunity to raise your voice and
to discuss topics that are of interest to you. That's why we want you to
join and to help prepare the agenda!

You can add the agenda items you'd like to discuss to
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda
Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page:
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda

For reference, the minutes of the last meeting are available at:
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100327

Thanks,

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Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, April 24th

[Vincent Untz]

Le mercredi 21 avril 2010, à 07:11 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 The next IRC meeting of the Foundation will be held next Saturday. Or
 Friday, depending on where you live :-) (As a reminder, we decided to
 rotate the meeting time every month)
 
 When: Saturday, April 24th, from 00:00 to 01:00 UTC
 Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

Oh, and I'll be (hopefully) on a plane to Europe, so I won't chair this
meeting, but there will be a better person to replace me :-)

Cheers,

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Re: A $60/year Frinedship option for students

[Vincent Untz]

Le jeudi 01 avril 2010, à 11:54 +0300, Osama KM a écrit :
 Hello,
 
 As GNOME Foundation is trying to increase the individual donations, I think 
 it's important to add an option for students who wants to support GNOME 
 financially, an option similar to FSF's $60/year.
 
 Many GNOME users are actually students, who may want to contribute to several 
 free software projects, and the current $120/year option may not be available 
 for them.

If you select the monthly option, you can actually choose the amount you
want to donate monthly. So you can put $5, I think. Not sure what
happens for the postcard/t-shirts in this case, though.

Vincent

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Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, March 27th

[Vincent Untz]

Le mercredi 24 mars 2010, à 05:00 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going
 to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday:
 
 When: Saturday, March 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
 Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

Reminder: the meeting starts in 1 hour (if I'm not lost in timezone
conversion again). And it's not too late to add agenda items:

 So please add the agenda items you'd like to discuss to
   http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda
 Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page:
   http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda

Cheers,

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Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, March 27th

[Vincent Untz]

Le samedi 27 mars 2010, à 15:18 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
 On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 16:02 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
  Le mercredi 24 mars 2010, à 05:00 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
   Hi,
   
   As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going
   to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday:
   
   When: Saturday, March 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
   Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation
  
  Reminder: the meeting starts in 1 hour (if I'm not lost in timezone
  conversion again). And it's not too late to add agenda items:
 
 It started 2 minutes before you sent your mail.

Hrm, I think you're talking about the meeting to triage GSoC ideas,
which is a different one ;-)

Vincent

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 18, 2010

[Vincent Untz]

Le jeudi 25 mars 2010, à 15:56 -0500, Brian Cameron a écrit :
 * Code of Conduct and the Speaker Guidelines
   o The board decided to vote to approve the proposed Code of
 Conduct and Speaker Guidelines at the next board meeting,
 and to require new Foundation members to sign them.
 Foundation members are encouraged to provide any feedback,
 ideas, or concerns before the next board meeting.

Oops, missing link here:
 http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines

Matthew Garrett came with the first draft for those guidelines, and
Murray Cumming improved the wording, so thanks to both of them! Also
thanks to the advisory board for some initial feedback on the proposal.

(I also need to check, but for the Code of Conduct, I think we said
we'll vote on making it a requirement for new Foundation members, and
not on approving the Code of Conduct itself)

Cheers,

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Re: release-announce-list?

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le mardi 23 mars 2010, à 14:49 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 I want to suggest creating a release-announce-list and use that for new
 package release announcements instead of gnome-announce-list. That would
 significantly reduce the noise on gnome-announce-list for people who are not
 interested in individual package releases.

Stupid question, but what would be left on gnome-announce-list? :-)

Also, do we really need a release-announce-list when we have
ftp-release-list?

Vincent

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Call for hosts for Akademy/GUADEC 2011

[Vincent Untz]

The KDE and GNOME communities are looking for a host for the Desktop
Summit 2011, the combined annual conference featuring KDE's Akademy and
GNOME's GUADEC events. Following up on the successful Gran Canaria
Desktop Summit, the second edition of the combined event in 2011 will be
the premier place to learn about, discuss, and work on free software on
the desktop.

The goal of the desktop summit will be to present and discuss the state
of the art of free software for end users, do community building, enable
cross-community collaboration, and enable partners from industry and
other communities as well as individuals to get informed and involved.

The desktop summit will consist of a joint conference, combining the
Akademy and GUADEC programs, dedicated sub-events about special topics
like free desktop standards or mobile platforms, free-form sessions, and
extended opportunities for common discussions and getting work done.

The preferred format for the event is to start with a three-day
conference over the weekend followed by a week of informal sessions and
coding marathon. Preferred time for the event is summer 2011.

The location should be in Europe and be easily reachable from all over
the world. A major international airport is a requirement.

The event needs a strong local organization team, preferrably with
involvement of local members of both communities. Both communities are
prepared to help do global organization and find sponsors.

Hosts should be prepared for 1000 enthusiatic participants. They will
need to provide conference facilities, space for collaboration, and
enough room for working. Internet should be broadly available and able
to host all 1000 attendees.

A range of accommodation from inexpensive to business class hotels
should be easily available. Food should be easily available and should
include vegeterian and vegan options. There should also be options for
social activities outside of the actual event.

For more details about the requirements look at the
Akademy requirements [1] and the GUADEC requirements [2]. Please keep in
mind that the combined event will be twice as big in size as the
individual events, and the collaborative nature of the desktop summit
might change the details.

If you are interested in hosting the desktop summit, one of the prime
free software events in 2011, please send an application to the boards
of KDE e.V. (kde-ev-bo...@kde.ev) and the GNOME Foundation
(board-l...@gnome.org). Please also feel free to contact us in case of
any questions. Send in your proposals no later than May 15th.

We are looking forward for a most excellent event. You can be part as
host. Send your proposal now.

Vincent

[1] http://ev.kde.org/akademy/requirements.php
[2] http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo/CheckList

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Re: Membership Committee meeting minutes

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le samedi 13 mars 2010, à 15:51 +0100, Andrea Veri a écrit :
 hi,
 
 the GNOME Membership Committee had its first meeting exactly two days 
 ago (on 11/03/2010) and here they come all the meeting's details:

Thanks for sharing the minutes of this meeting! It's a good way to
advertize your work :-)

[...]

 * contact the Board of Directors and see if MC have autonomy to 
   change the number of vouchers required for an application. (and also 
   if we have the possibility to modify the foundation.gnome.org 
   website)

Yes, you can change the number of vouchers required for an application.

And generally, unless you break stuff, you should probabably feel free
to update the foundation website :-)

 * update the foundation.gnome.org website to make it more close to 
   how gnome.org looks like. (we will need the Website / Art team to 
   help us out a bit with this task) -- this needs to be forwarded to 
   the Board to check if their fine with this. (Bruno prepared a mail 
   already)

The wgo look and feel will change soon, though. I'm not sure it's worth
the effort to update foundation.gnome.org now to what will be old soon.

 * check with Tobias about elections scripts et all, this will be 
   discussed separately on our mailing list in the near future. (the 
   elections need to end before GUADEC in June / July)

The next board should be known (and confirmed) for July 1st, since the
current board has been elected for a period ending on June 30th.

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: Stormy's Update: Weeks of February 15th and 22nd

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Le lundi 01 mars 2010, à 11:02 -0800, Luis Villa a écrit :
 2010/3/1 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org:
  GNOME Foundation IRC meeting.
 
 How did this go?

I guess I spoke way too much ;-) The discussion was mostly about how to
prepare a roadmap for GNOME, and how to communicate it.

There's an IRC log and maybe even minutes, but, hrm, it's not readable
for me:
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100227

It'd be nice to have more people attending, though. We'd love to hear
how to make it more convenient for people to attend. For example, we
know that the time is not good for our australian friends, and we'll try
to fix this one way or another, but I'm sure we could have more people
even at this time. So how can we improve things? More items on the
agenda? Send a meeting reminder earlier?

Vincent

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Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, February 27th

[Vincent Untz]

Le mardi 23 février 2010, à 14:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going
 to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday:
 
 When: Saturday, February 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
 Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

This starts in 30 minutes, please join :-)

Vincent

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Re: FOSDEM Report

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Le samedi 27 février 2010, à 16:29 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit :
 On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
   + the beer event on Saturday evening was a good place to catch up with
    GNOME friends.
 
While that event is always awesome due to many GNOME developers
 socializing but I couldn't help notice that there is always some
 people missing in there. Whenever I've asked the missing people, they
 complain about Claustrophobic atmosphere of the bar we do this. So
 just one suggestion: Could we please do it some other place next year?

Indeed. This is something that has been raised by various people. I
think the issue is that it's difficult to find another place that can be
reserved and that can host our crowd. Hopefully, the local GNOME people
will find a solution for next year.

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Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, February 27th

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going
to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday:

When: Saturday, February 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

We understand that this time might not suit everybody, but we tried to
select something that would work for most people. Feel free to suggest
other times for future meetings.

We think the first meeting went great, although it didn't have an agenda
(by design). To make this one even better, we'd like to have an agenda
for the meeting. And this will also hopefully help attract more people
to the meeting :-)

So please add the topics you'd like to discuss to
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda
Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page:
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda

For reference, the minutes of the last meeting are visible at:
  http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100130

Thanks,

Vincent

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FOSDEM Report

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

The GNOME presence at FOSDEM this year was quite good, and I believe
things went (surprisingly ;-)) smoothly:

 + we had a good booth, thanks to the event box, t-shirts, stickers,
   and most importantly thanks to the amazing volunteers.
 + the devroom went quite well, with a good attendance and interesting
   talks: http://live.gnome.org/Brussels2010/Devroom. On Sunday, the
   room became a cross-desktop devroom.
 + the beer event on Saturday evening was a good place to catch up with
   GNOME friends.
 + it's always a great feeling to see many people wearing on Sunday the
   GNOME t-shirt they bought on Saturday :-)

I quickly looked for pictures:
   booth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariosp/4341072001/
   stickers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkovian/4337980448/
   t-shirts: hrm, I can't find a picture (?). I'm sure someone can fix
 this!

Here's a quick list of things to improve for next year:

 + have nametags for GNOME people. This helps various people,
   unsurprisingly.
 + don't forget about the group photo. We were all too busy...
 + make sure the computer from the event box has the latest cool things
   to showcase (it didn't have gnome-shell; but Siegfried saved the
   world with his laptop)
 + try to get some more hardware for the event box: this year, a netbook
   with moblin and a n900 would definitely have helped. We're already
   asking around to get some donation for this, but feel free to ask too
   if you think you can make this happen!
 + do not organize things at the last minute ;-)

We used the money we got from selling t-shirts during FOSDEM 2009 to
print new t-shirts and stickers. T-shirts were sold €10 (or €5 for
Foundation members). Money-wise, this results in (approximately, I don't
have the exact figures myself):

 + Expenses:
   - t-shirts: around €900
   - stickers: around €300
 + Income:
   - around €1650 (from t-shirts)

This means that we already have some money for FOSDEM 2011. We'll likely
do stickers and t-shirts again, but we can possibly do more: feel free
to suggest ideas for next year!

As a reminder: the original money for all this came from the Foundation
(in 2008, if I'm not mistaken), and since this bootstrap step, we're
able to sponsor the GNOME presence at FOSDEM with the money we get from
t-shirts. The money is handled by GNOME-FR.

Many thanks to the people who helped make sure everything went smoothly,
especially Christophe (for the devroom), Lionel (for the organization of
the booth), Xavier (for the event box), Frédéric (for the t-shirts),
Andreas (for the design of the t-shirt) and Baptiste (for the stickers).
We had many people helping with the booth, which was great!

Vincent

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Re: FOSDEM Report

[Vincent Untz]

Le mardi 23 février 2010, à 15:23 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 As a reminder: the original money for all this came from the Foundation
 (in 2008, if I'm not mistaken), and since this bootstrap step, we're
 able to sponsor the GNOME presence at FOSDEM with the money we get from
 t-shirts. The money is handled by GNOME-FR.

With my board hat: this is a model that we'd like to see other groups
adopt when possible. This makes it possible to use the Foundation money
for other or new events after the bootstrap step, and therefore make
GNOME more visible in more places.

Of course, this is not always possible. But think about it when you
organize the GNOME presence at an event :-)

Vincent

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Re: New GNOME Foundation Members

[Vincent Untz]

Le vendredi 12 février 2010, à 13:43 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit :
 On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:37 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote:
  I'm for suggesting it in the welcome email, not for enforcing it
 
 The problem is that without any such enforcement, the rule is pointless
 and will lead to the current situation where some new guys do and a lot
 of others don't introduce themselves.

I really hope we don't need rules for this. It's not really a good way
to welcome people to first tell them hey, if you don't do this, we kick
you out.

Vincent

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Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011

[Vincent Untz]

Le samedi 23 janvier 2010, à 20:19 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 This new survey is quite short (only a few questions) and it shouldn't
 take more than 5 minutes to fill. So please take those 5 minutes and
 fill it. We'll close the survey next week, on next Friday (January 29th;
 I must admit I don't know if it will close when Friday starts or ends,
 so please fill it before ;-)). Results will be published as soon as
 possible.

Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the
results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone,
I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-)

FWIW, 103 people filled the survey.

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Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011

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Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 10:39 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit :
 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
 
  Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the
  results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone,
  I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-)
 
 Depends on how time-sensitive it is. I should have some time towards
 the end of the week, but right now am pretty swamped.

Well, I would be hoping to be able to send some analysis in the next few
days. I guess if nobody steps up soon enough, I'll just publish what I
have and the raw results, so people could take a look and produce more
interesting stats.

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Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011

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Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 17:11 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
 Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 10:39 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit :
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  
   Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the
   results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone,
   I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-)
  
  Depends on how time-sensitive it is. I should have some time towards
  the end of the week, but right now am pretty swamped.
 
 Well, I would be hoping to be able to send some analysis in the next few
 days. I guess if nobody steps up soon enough, I'll just publish what I
 have and the raw results, so people could take a look and produce more
 interesting stats.

Here are the stats I did (hopefully, I didn't get anything wrong ;-)).
I'm attaching the results in case anybody wants to play with them. Note
that I removed the answers to the free form entry since it made it
possible to guess who replied what in a few cases (it shouldn't be a big
loss, though).

+ 103 people replied
  - 84 are contributors (81.55%) and 18 aren't (17.48%)
  - 75 are foundation members (72.82%) and 27 aren't (26.21%)
  - 68 attended GCDS (66.02%) and 33 didn't (32.04%)
  - 13 (12.62%) attended a GUADEC (before GCDS), 58 (56.31%) attended 2
or more, and 31 (30.10%) never went to GUADEC

+ Do it vs Don't do it
  - contributors: 54 vs 25 (64.23% vs 29.76%)
  - foundation members: 49 vs 22 (65.33% vs 29.33%)
  - attended GCDS: 46 vs 19 (67.65% vs 27.94%)
  - attended guadec once: 9 vs 4 (69.23% vs 30.77%)
  - attended guadec more than once: 35 vs 19 (60.34% vs 32.76%)
  - never attended guadec: 22 vs 5 (70.97% vs 16.13%)

+ only/more likely to attend vs will not/less likely to attend if
  co-located
  - contributors: 9 vs 10 (10.71% vs 11.90%)
  - non-contributors: 10 vs 0 (55.56% vs 0%)

+ productive improvements for GNOME:
  - yes, directly: 15 (14.56%)
  - yes, indirectly: 61 (59.22%)
  - no: 17 (16.50%)

+ misc:
  - nobody said do it and it won't lead to any improvement for GNOME
  - 10 people said don't do it and it will lead to direct/indirect
improvements for GNOME
  - 9 people replied while they don't plan to go to GUADEC in 2011
(4 of them said do it, 2 said don't do it)

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Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th

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Le samedi 30 janvier 2010, à 21:43 -0800, Sandy Armstrong a écrit :
 On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
  Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit :
  Hey everyone,
 
  looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board
  would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose
  IRC meeting:
 
          When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC
          Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation
 
  And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-)
 
 An untrimmed log is available here:
 
 http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/foundation.log
 
 I'll happily put this on the wiki if there's a particular place it should go.

It's already attached to
http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100130 (although the
page links to the file on your website, instead of the attachment, hrm)

Thanks for the log :-)

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Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th

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Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit :
 Hey everyone,
 
 looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board
 would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose
 IRC meeting:
 
 When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC
 Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-)

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Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th

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Hey,

Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit :
 Hey everyone,
 
 looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board
 would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose
 IRC meeting:
 
 When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC
 Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation

Just a reminder for everybody: this is tomorrow :-)

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Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Organization for GUADEC 2010 is well under way, with a great team doing
an amazing job! This is why the Board can already start thinking about
what will happen in 2011 :-)

We'd like to send a call for bids in the next few months, but before
doing so, we need to decide whether we want to co-locate GUADEC with
Akademy like we did in 2009 or not. As this decision will have a big
impact on how GUADEC 2011 will be, we believe it makes sense to see what
the community thinks about the topic, so we created a survey:
  http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php?sid=77745

You might remember that we had a similar survey at the end of GCDS, and
we are considering the option of co-locating based on the results of
this previous survey. However, we think the opinion of contributors who
didn't attend GCDS (and therefore, might have not filled the survey)
matters too, hence the new survey.

This new survey is quite short (only a few questions) and it shouldn't
take more than 5 minutes to fill. So please take those 5 minutes and
fill it. We'll close the survey next week, on next Friday (January 29th;
I must admit I don't know if it will close when Friday starts or ends,
so please fill it before ;-)). Results will be published as soon as
possible.

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey

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Hey,

Le dimanche 17 janvier 2010, à 15:56 -0500, john palmieri a écrit :
  On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote:
  It has been pointed out that in fact it has been written down:
  http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites

Those are prerequisites for project that people want to host on the
GNOME infrastructure. This has been written by the sysadmin team.

[...]

 The release team goes further for official modules and states:
 
 Free-ness: Apps must be under a Free or Open license and support open
 standards and protocols. In case of doubt about the module license, send an
 email to the Release Team and the desktop-devel mailing list. Support of
 proprietary protocols and closed standards is part of the world we live in,
 but all applications that support closed protocols should also support open
 equivalents where those exist, and should default to those if at all
 possible while still serving their intended purpose.
 
 http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing#judgement-criteria

This comes from the release team, and this is what Luis helped write.
It's actually pasted from GEP-10:
  http://developer.gnome.org/gep/gep-10.html

(I prefer to ignore the free vs open source vs free/open source vs
free and open source vs... topic for now, until I read all mails and
make sure I don't say stuff already mentioned)

On a general note, it might make sense to create a page listing the
licenses we're usually using in the project, and in which case to use
them. And list this license page from those ProjectPrerequisites and
ModuleProposing. I'd love to have something like
http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy for GNOME. Is there
anyone who would like to work on this?

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Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey

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Hi Lefty,

Le dimanche 17 janvier 2010, à 21:45 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) a écrit :
 On 1/17/10 9:30 PM, Jonathon Jongsma jonat...@quotidian.org wrote:
 
 As far as I an tell, there has been essentially no controversy
 whatsoever about
 any of this until you and Philip seemingly started
 trying to drum one up.  What
 exactly are you even trying to change?  Is
 there an official GNOME position
 statement that you object to?
 Something on a gnome.org website somewhere?  What
 exactly are we
 actually talking about here?
 
 I'm sorry, Jonathon, I thought that was clear. Stormy proposed the following
 statement on behalf of GNOME in her message of this past Friday on this
 thread:

I think Jonathon's point [1] is that the initial mail triggered some
discussion that (I believe) many people see as
off-topic/not-interesting/whatever, even before Stormy proposed a
statement. When I read the beginning of the thread again, it's indeed
not really clear why all this is being discussed -- especially on
foundation-list, instead of private mails.

I'm not saying that a potential statement from the Foundation on this
topic as a result of this discussion is useless [2], but in general, our
community is not a big fan of debating open source vs free since it
doesn't really help GNOME move forward.

We're a technical community, and such threads are just ignored by most
of our community since it's not technical stuff. In the GNOME project,
we're usally all happy with both free software and open source
contributors as long as their contributions are following our traditions
or rules or guidelines or...

And don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming anybody who contributed to the
discussion, just explaining why people might feel this way about this
thread.

Vincent

[1] Apologies to Jonathon if I misunderstand his point :-)
[2] It could clarify things, especially for newcomers who might not know
the project history well.

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Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey

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Le vendredi 15 janvier 2010, à 13:02 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit :
 I also hope the foundation board will respect the results of these
 surveys.

What do you mean?

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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

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Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 19:04 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit :
 Also, maybe someone with list admin privileges could tell us roughly the
 number of subscribers and how many of them appear to be GNOME Foundation
 members.

We have 574 subscribers on the mailing list. However, there are quite a
number of mail addresses which are marked as nomail, maybe something
between 100 and 150, hard to tell. Sometimes it means that the email
address just doesn't work anymore (eazel.com? heh), and sometimes it
means the user chose to not receive mail (because he might be subscribed
twice, or something else).

For reference, if I'm not mistaken, we have 356 Foundation members as of
today.

A quick look makes me believe a lot of people are Foundation members,
some are not, and a lot of 'no idea'.

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Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

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Le mardi 15 décembre 2009, à 11:57 +0330, Behnam Esfahbod ZWNJ a écrit :
 Also, is a referendum really necessary to create a new members-only
 mailing list?  Noting that becoming membership and participation is
 always optional.

It's not necessary to hold a vote to create a list, but I think Behdad's
point by doing this is to see if there's real interest from the
membership.

Behdad, are you fine if we put a time limit for your proposal (2 weeks,
1 month, whatever)? Just to make sure we know when to close the topic in
case there are not enough members signing the petition -- I'd hate to
have someone come again in 2 years and say hey, we now have 50
signatures for this, while we will have all moved on ;-)

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GNOME Advisory Board Roles Responsibilities

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Stormy and the Board worked on creating a new list of roles and
responsibilities for the advisory board, since what we had before was
quite old.

This has now been posted on the Foundation website at
  http://foundation.gnome.org/about/advisoryboard/

Feel free to suggest improvements on the structure of the page! And of
course, feel free to do that for the whole foundation website ;-)

I'm pasting the roles  responsibilities below, for convenience.

Thanks,

Vincent



Roles and Responsibilities of Advisory Board Members

 - Represents and advises on the needs of the primary downstream
   partners served by GNOME.

 - Receives and actively provides input and discussion on topics sent to
   the Advisory Board list or discussed at Advisory Board meetings.
   Topics include things like financial reports, project status, and
   event planning.

 - Promotes GNOME. The GNOME Foundation and Advisory Board members often
   work together to promote GNOME, and members are expected to work with
   the GNOME Foundation to promote GNOME when opportunities arise. For
   example, by speaking about GNOME at industry events or at company or
   government meetings where people are not familiar with GNOME.

 - Identifies/presents opportunities for collaboration and alerts GNOME
   to significant relevant developments within other industries or
   working groups. This can include things like suggesting a GNOME
   presence at an established event or pointing out opportunities for
   partnership and making introductions to other companies and
   organizations.

 - Helps the GNOME Foundation grow and improve as an organization.
   Identifying services that the GNOME Foundation can provide for GNOME
   Foundation members, Advisory Board members and GNOME users. This can
   include things like suggesting a local event or project shortfalls
   (documentation, integration, support) that could be addressed by
   GNOME Foundation resources.

 - Provides mentorship and advice to community members working on
   projects like marketing, finance and fundraising. Mentorship can be
   provided directly by the Advisory Board member or by others in their
   company.

 - Ensures that their company is involved and engaged with upstream
   discussion and events where relevant. For example, ensure that the
   appropriate people are subscribed to the right forums and involved
   with upstream decisions.

 - Attends and sponsors GNOME events that align with the Advisory Board
   member's needs.

 - Offers guidance, advice and resources. This guidance can include not
   only opportunities for how to acquire money but other ways to solve
   problems. Examples include helping to solve our system administration
   shortage, planning representation at events, etc.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Le mercredi 09 décembre 2009, à 19:47 +0100, Dodji Seketeli a écrit :
 Le mer. 09 déc. 2009 à 14:45:55 (+0100), Philip Van Hoof a écrit:
  This is nonsense. The planet-gnome slogan is:
  
  Planet GNOME is __ a window into the world, work and lives __ of GNOME
  hackers and contributors.
  
  This is what made the planet a successful project, initiated by Jeff
  Waugh (who you propose for removal ^).
 
 The way I understand what Frédéric said is, there is an (yet another
 one?) interesting question not answered by the p.g.o slogan. What does the
 planet maintainers do with people who stop being involved in the project.

Quoting http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome

I stopped contributing to GNOME two years ago. Can I still stay there?

Sure, no problem. We still love you :-) Past contributors often stay
involved in areas that are of interest to GNOME (even if not directly
related to GNOME), so we're not worried about the content of your blog.

That being said, if the editors know of a blog from a past contributor
who's annoying to most Planet GNOME readers, we can feel free to remove
the blog after contacting the person.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Hey,

Le mercredi 09 décembre 2009, à 13:32 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 On 12/09/2009 08:48 AM, Lionel Dricot wrote:
 - Each GNOME member should be able to add his feed to pgo. He might want
 to change his feed whenever he wants to take a more specialized one or not.

The consensus in the past is that we don't want to have anybody able to
change the planet configuration, and that this is what has enabled Planet
GNOME to stay (relatively) high quality.

 - Each year, a mail is sent to those member asking if they want to stay on
 pgo and if they consider themselves still on-topic.
 
 Lets limit it to a reminder that you're on PGO.  if you want to be
 removed, email xxx if we have to do something like that.

I'm fine with this idea. If Lucas and Jeff are fine, we can start doing
it, but I'm sure that help would be welcome to gather the list of mail
addresses to contact. If anybody wants to do that part of the work,
please just contact the planet editors.

Vincent

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009, à 17:20 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit :
 I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project.

So, as far as I can tell, nobody is collecting a list of members who
support such a vote proposal. I still wanted to reply there.

For many of the reasons Dave wrote, I would believe splitting up from
the GNU project is a bad idea. Let me add a few things...

The GNOME Foundation itself is a free software supporter, and advocates
for free software, and I believe this reflects the opinion of the vast
majority of the GNOME community. So I would think it's safe to say that
this is the position of the GNOME project. As such, I think the GNOME
project definitely has its place in the GNU project, whose goal is to
create a free software operating system.

That doesn't mean the GNOME Foundation fights against non-free software
by saying that non-free software is bad and should not be used nor
exist. We have a policy of having the GNOME platform LGPL, and so it can
be used by non-free applications. We're happy this way. Our way to fight
against non-free software is by writing better code, that is free.

Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have
the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of
the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of
the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with the FSF, and we're all fine this
way. (Note that the FSF is an advisory board member of the GNOME
Foundation, though, and it's valuable one that we're happy to have). I
think Andy wrote more on this [1], but I didn't take the time to read
his post so I won't put words in his mouth :-)

Cheers,

Vincent

[1] http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/12/13/gnu-gnome-and-the-fsf

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Hey,

Le jeudi 10 décembre 2009, à 07:46 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit :
 My post on hunting comes to mind. I self censor now because I didn't like
 the negative comments directed at my kids. But would you block my whole blog
 because a vocal portion of the community is anti-hunting and people in my
 family hunt?

I read a few times in this thread that people are self-censoring
themselves in their blog. It's possible to avoid that by using a
tag-based RSS feed; so if you want to blog the way you want but not have
everything appear on Planet GNOME, just contact the Planet editors, and
we'll be glad to help you do this.

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Hi,

(This is hopefully my last mail for catching up with this thread ;-))

Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 12:48 +, Lucas Rocha a écrit :
 Hi all,
 
 The Board has recently received some complaints from members of the
 community about certain the inappropriate behaviors. In the context of
 GNOME Foundation, it's really hard to argue about how we expect our
 members to behave if there is no official guidelines that members are
 supposed to comply with. The GNOME Code of Conduct[1] has been serving
 very well as an informal guideline for the community but we'd like to
 make it an official document that new Foundation members are expected
 to explicitly agree[2] with before being accepted. This way we'll have a
 common ground for dealing with certain conflict situations and avoid
 trying to base our discussions on guidelines that certain members
 haven't explicitly agreed on.
 
 Before deciding on this, we thought it would be useful to get some
 feedback from the community.

This is the first mail of the thread. And I'm really sad of the way the
thread went. I'm certainly guilty myself of not taking time to read it
and participate earlier to try to moderate things, but we should all be
able to step back and moderate a thread when it apparently needs to be
moderated...

First, let me state it: the original proposal has nothing to do with
Planet GNOME. If you have an issue with Planet GNOME, you're free to
state it publicly, of course, but you can also directly contact the
editors. We even put some documentation to answer most questions:
  http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome

And if you read that page, you'll see that the editors expect people on
Planet GNOME to respect the Code of Conduct. I'm not aware of a case
where we removed a post or a blog because of this, but if this needs to
happen, then fine, we'll do it.

(and yes, the editors are not perfect, and are not always replying in
time, and are doing mistakes and all that, so keep this in mind please
;-))

Now, back to the original proposal. The idea is that we want the GNOME
project to be a cool place. With great people. Where newcomers feel
welcome. And all that. I'd love a rainbow, and illimited ice cream, btw.

That what is already behind the Code of Conduct. The Code of Conduct is
only stating the obvious. There's nothing revolutionary there. There are
surely some cases where it doesn't help us. We can also all have a bad
day and not respect the Code of Conduct at some point -- if this
happens, as long as we can acknowledge that we could have had a more
appropriate behavior, it's fine.

If you think that having a Yes, I agree that I should try to be polite
requirement for GNOME Foundation membership is bad, then, well, okay;
that just means you might share one of the values of the GNOME
Foundation. Is it the end of the world? No. Does that make it impossible
to contribute to GNOME? No. (Hint: you don't have to be a GNOME
Foundation member to contribute.)

This is really all about explaining to the world what are values are,
and trying to lead by the example. This is not about adding rules.

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Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)

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Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 17:35 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 I also like to see two more ideas added to CoC:
 
   - Learn to agree to disagree.
 
   - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them.

I support this change.

I'm just unsure how we can update the Code of Conduct, since people
signed the old version and we obviously can't pretend they approved
those additions. Should we just version the Code of Conduct? Or is this
a non-issue?

Vincent

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Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

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Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 16:56 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
 
 Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have
 the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of
 the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of
 the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with the FSF, and we're all fine this
 way.
 
 Humm, *now* I'm confused.  What does it mean that The GNOME
 Foundation is part of the FSF?

Gah. I obviously missed the not. It should read: The GNOME Foundation
is not part of the FSF. Apologies for the confusion :-)

 As for GNOME being a GNU project, what that means is explained here:
 
   http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html

Thanks for the link, that's something I was looking for and I couldn't
find easily!

Vincent

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GUADEC 2010 to be held in The Hague, Netherlands

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The GNOME Foundation is excited to announce that GUADEC 2010 will be
held in The Hague, Netherlands July 24th-30th, 2010. The conference is
expected to draw more than 500 attendees to discuss and direct the
future of the GNOME Project. The Hague was one of several locations
proposed for GUADEC in 2010. It was chosen in part due to the excellent
facilities at the bid site, as well as easily accessible site for those
traveling to GUADEC. The conference will be held at the Haagse
Hogeschool, the higher vocational education institute in the region with
an existing affinity for open source.

The core team of the winning bid consists of Vincent van Adrighem, Koen
Martens, Sanne te Meerman, Fabrice Mous, and Reinout van Schouwen. Each
of the core team members are well-rooted in the FLOSS community at
large, with network spanning the most active FLOSS organizations in The
Netherlands.

The conference will lead up to the GNOME 3.0 release in September 2010.
Keeping with the 3.0 theme, the three primary themes for GUADEC 2010
will be Government, education, and end users.

See the GUADEC Website [1] for more information about the conference.
Registration details and information on the call for papers will be up
by January 6th. Look for another announcement at that time with more
details about the CFP and tracks for GUADEC 2010.

[1] http://www.guadec.org/

The full press release can be found at 
http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2009-11-guadec2010.html

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Tracking hackfests and their results

[Vincent Untz]

Hey there,

I just created http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests to list the hackfests
that happen in the GNOME world, and gather some links to reports and
conclusions for all of them.

Everybody should feel free to edit it :-)

Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: Meeting Minutes Published - October 29, 2009

[Vincent Untz]

Le mardi 24 novembre 2009, à 23:53 +0100, Andy Wingo a écrit :
 Hi Brian,
 
 Thanks for the detailed and readable notes!
 
 On Fri 13 Nov 2009 22:27, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.com writes:
 
  Minutes for Meeting of October 29th, 2009
 [...]
More generally, we need to make sure that GNOME Foundation members
sign the GNOME Code of Conduct, and perhaps make it a requirement
for new members to sign. Also need to update the GNOME blog and
planet so that it is more clear that people should follow the
GNOME Code of Conduct.
 
 A couple of thoughts:
 
 First, the planet has always been under editorial control; it has a
 maintainer, like any other module -- actually a few of them.
 
 Therefore, what is or is not on the planet may fairly be seen to be
 under the purview of the maintainer(s), who are there due to their
 respected position in the field of their module, in this case in the
 public discourse of GNOME. So they can promote or censure certain
 kinds of speech as they see fit.

Yep. And it is expected by the current editors that blog posts that
appear on Planet GNOME respect the Code of Conduct :-) It's mentioned in
the guidelines for Planet GNOME in the wiki, but it's not mentioned in
the current footer.

 Secondly, binding or pseudo-binding resolutions on the Foundation
 membership should probably be ratified by the Foundation membership
 itself via some more formal process. As it is I don't think a majority
 have signed the CoC. (FWIW, I have.)

Nod. Actually, I think there was an action item about starting a
discussion here on this topic... I guess the mail is in the draft folder
somewhere, it should hopefully arrive soon ;-)

Cheers,

Vincent

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Re: Presenting the 2009 Q2 GNOME Quarterly Report

[Vincent Untz]

Le samedi 12 septembre 2009, à 10:09 +0530, sankarshan a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 2009/9/11 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org:
 
  This is our first quarterly report[1]. Please let us know if you find it
  useful!
 
  In these quarterly reports we want to focus on what the GNOME Foundation and
  its members are doing, so most of the reporting is done by the teams doing
  the work. (If you would like to contribute an update in the future, please
  let me know.) For example, in the quarterly report, you can learn how:
 
 This is incredibly useful - a big thank you to all those involved in
 the production of the report. Is it possible to include a section that
 deals with what is coming up in the next quarter (in the perspective
 of plans) ?

I guess this would be up to each team to include a paragrap for this.

 I also note that the Translations Project did not have a
 segment for themselves.

Hrm. I remember a thread on gnome-i18n about the l10n part of the
report, but indeed, I don't see it in the PDF. Maybe it got lost
somewhere :/

Vincent

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Re: GNOME Advisory Board Member Interviews

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le jeudi 13 août 2009, à 20:47 +0200, Claude Paroz a écrit :
 Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 22:19 -0600, Stormy Peters a écrit :
 snip
  Collaboration among advisory board members: Now that we have a sys
  admin team in place would like to find ways that we can collaborate
  better. Mentioned an article by J5 that talked about that RH, Novell
  and others are less involved because of the maintenance burden.They
  spend time on money on things like translations. No process to get
  them upstream and so they do it all over again next year.
  
  Ideas for collaborating between advisory board members:
  1. Translations.
 snip
 
 Hi Stormy,
 Thanks for this interesting report. I was a little surprised by the part
 about translation. Where are those translators ? Our i18n process is
 completely open, so I don't understand why they do not contribute
 upstream in the first place.
 Would be great to have more details about this issue.

I guess it's a bit similar to what happened in the past, with the Sun
documentation team working on GNOME docs, but always a few cycles late
compared to upstream. So it was really hard to make this work useful for
upstream.

Based on what I know (ie, what is done for Novell), the issue is
not really with the i18n process we have upstream. Let me give an
example based on SLED 11. I would guess it's the same for other
downstreams. First, here's some background:

 + SLED 11 was released at the end of March 2009, and is using GNOME
   2.24.x (mostly 2.24.1, I believe). For reference, GNOME 2.24.0 was
   released in September 2008, 2.24.1 was released in October, etc.

 + I would guess there's a goal to have SLED 11 correctly translated in
   various languages (let's say 20, but it's a random number).

 + it probably happens that for SLED 11 SP1, or for some later date, new
   languages must be supported. AFAIK, this would still be for GNOME
   2.24.

 + translations are about the UI and the documentation. From an UI point
   of view, it's mostly some GNOME upstream modules (sometimes with
   strings coming from patches), and some distribution-specific tools.
   Same for documentation, I guess.

 + Novell needs to get translators to work on the distribution-specific
   tools anyway. And sometimes, the upstream translation for GNOME is
   not complete with big visible holes, so the translators also make
   sure the desktop is translated.

Now, there are several issues in the process that is being used when it
comes to GNOME:

 + this downstream translation work is made too late for upstream to be
   useful for the branch. Here, a translation of 2.24 that is made
   available in March 2009 has no use for the 2.24 branch.
   (but yes, it can still be useful for 2.26 in case upstream didn't
move)

 + some work that is being done is obviously duplicating work that has
   been done upstream. Eg, a string not translated in 2.24 could be
   translated in 2.26. This is not a problem for upstream, but this
   costs time and/or money for downstream.
   (there are technical solutions to minimize this, though)

 + the people doing this translation work are not community people. They
   do not know how to work with the community, and it's unclear whether
   it's possible to directly force them to do that.
   (possible solution: indirectly force them, via the tools that are
used)

 + pushing all those translations upstream is hard. You might remember
   some big mistake in the past where downstream gnome-main-menu
   translations were committed. This is obviously wrong. The
   translations have to be made available to upstream in an easy way, so
   that upstream can take what's useful in them. But they shouldn't be
   forced, for sure.

So for GNOME, the most interesting thing is probably the last item since
we have no control on what branch downstream will use, and on who will
translate stuff downstream. But asking downstream to provide what
can help us improve our translations upstream is (I think) a reasonable
request. But it has to be provided in a useful way, I guess.

Coming back to the original comment from the advisory board, I would
think that what would be useful is to know how distributors can make
sure that the late work that is being done downstream can be made
available to upstream in an easy  usable way, so that what's
interesting is taken upstream (which means that this is work that won't
need to be done again downstream in the future). And unfortunately, just
saying downstream translators should just push their changes upstream
is not a good answer (see above: it might not always be possible to make
those translators work upstream).

In more concrete words, we could just make downstream po files available
to upstream, but I doubt this would be useful as is. IMHO, what is
really needed is providing translations for strings that are still not
translated in the current stable/development branches, and showing the
changes that have been done if strings were already translated. 

Free Desktop Communities come together at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit

[Vincent Untz]

This year's Gran Canaria Desktop Summit represented the first time the
GNOME and KDE communities have co-located their annual conferences in
the same location. 852 free software advocates from 46 countries
gathered together last week to discuss and enhance the free desktop
experience at the first ever Gran Canaria Desktop Summit.

The summit accomplished its goal of increasing co-operation between
GNOME and KDE to improve the Free Desktop experience. Throughout the
conference there were many examples of  successful collaboration
including shared technologies, community co-operation and growth of the
local free software community.

GNOME and KDE plan to join together again in future years to make sure
they are working effectively together to share technologies and advance
the free desktop. The cooperation and conversations that began between
the KDE and GNOME communities will continue into the future and in
events like hackfests throughout the year, but next year the conferences
will be hosted separately. GUADEC and Akademy hope to see both GNOME and
KDE developers at their events as their communities work more closely
together on joint technologies.

More details in the press release:
   http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2009-08-desktop-summit-conclusion.html

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Re: GNOME Foundation AGM time and location

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le dimanche 05 juillet 2009, à 02:08 +0100, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 Hi everyone,

 The GNOME Foundation annual general meeting will be held on Thursday July 
 9th, at 10 AM at the GUADEC venue:

   http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/272

Since there's a party tomorrow evening, we think it's safer to push back
the AGM to the lunch break, from 13:30 to 15:00 (still in Room Aula
3-4). We're aware that it leaves only a 30 minutes timeframe for lunch
for some of us, but we didn't want to change the schedule for the BoF
since it could have had a bad impact for various people...

We'll try to make sure to have people in the room at 10AM to make sure
everybody is aware of the change.

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: GNOME Foundation AGM time and location

[Vincent Untz]

Le dimanche 05 juillet 2009, à 02:08 +0100, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
 Hi everyone,

 The GNOME Foundation annual general meeting will be held on Thursday July 
 9th, at 10 AM at the GUADEC venue:

   http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/272

 And you are invited.  If you are not a foundation member, this is a great 
 time to become one.

Here's the agenda:

  + Introduction
  + Year in review and plans for next year
- Short talks by various teams
  + Events in the past year and in the next year
  + Finances
  + Q  A

Make sure to come to learn about what the various teams have been up to
since last GUADEC and what are their plans for the next year (from a
genergal point of view, not just from a 3.0 point of view)

Thanks,

Vincent

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Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2009 - Preliminary results

[Vincent Untz]

Hi,

Le mercredi 24 juin 2009, à 10:11 +0200, Dave Neary a écrit :
 The table on this results page shows the results with random transfer  
 STV. When this was discussed over at Maemo, it was proposed  agreed  
 that we should use the more accurate fractional transfer STV, since  
 running random transfer STV several times can give different results.

I'm sorry I won't have time to look at this closely (I'm at LinuxTag
this week), but I believe the board indeed wanted to use the same method
as the one that was used for the Maemo elections.

If this wasn't clear in the announcement sent by the board (and looking
at [1], it wasn't), then, hrm, this creates an interesting situation. I
would think it's up to the elections committee to take a decision (since
it's a bit late for the board to decide on this, with some board members
running in those elections).

Thanks,

Vincent

[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2009-March/msg1.html

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