Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-26 Thread Gregory Leblanc
On Nov 25, 2007 12:39 PM, jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 12:18 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 12:56:09PM +, jamie wrote: Office 2007 has less than 10% of all office versions (50m out of 500m) Which is already comperable to the OO.o

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-26 Thread Richard Stallman
The sell here for Microsoft is very very easy. The small businesses that I do consulting for here in the US all use Microsoft operating systems and office products. Do you talk to them about moving to free software? ___ foundation-list

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie I can see MS spinning this to their advantage and I believe playing safe here would be better for us in the short term Thing is, Microsoft haven't spun it to their advantage. They've mentioned that Gnumeric is implementing OOXML, but that actually works against them (due to the

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 03:16:48AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=jamie I can see MS spinning this to their advantage and I believe playing safe here would be better for us in the short term Thing is, Microsoft haven't spun it to their advantage. They've mentioned that Gnumeric is

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread jamie
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 12:18 -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 12:56:09PM +, jamie wrote: MOOX is most likely to become irrelevant IMO Not agreed. its debatable and subjective - yes. I reject the notion its a foregone conclusion that MS gets its way however

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie In any event I dont understand why the gnome foundation was pulled into this - cant you do your work with ECMA without foundation backing? As explained in the statement, the GNOME Foundation joined ECMA as a non-profit to allow Jody to continue his work sucking the

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread jamie
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 04:45 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=jamie In any event I dont understand why the gnome foundation was pulled into this - cant you do your work with ECMA without foundation backing? As explained in the statement, the GNOME Foundation joined ECMA as a non-profit

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=jamie On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 04:45 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=jamie In any event I dont understand why the gnome foundation was pulled into this - cant you do your work with ECMA without foundation backing? As explained in the statement, the GNOME Foundation

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Jody Goldberg
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Hi, Funny then, that even after nothing being done by GNOME on TC45 since July (previous to OOXML vote on September 2) ECMA is still claiming GNOME participates in the disposition of comments:

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 05:05:08PM +, Alan Cox wrote: Don't change the subject. The statement I quoted is trollish. There is no need to say we are shooting at our own feet repeatedly. Especially without any argument (I do not mean just text in an email). The announcement was not

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Rui Miguel Silva Seabra The more you guys keep playing the neutral game, the more you'll get abused like this. There is no neutral game being played here. Concerns were raised that the GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported OOXML becoming an ISO

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Richard Stallman
The page says p align=justifyThe work to standardise OpenXML has been carried out by Ecma International with representatives from Apple, Barclays Capital, BP, The British Library, Essilor, Gnome Foundation, Intel, Microsoft, NextPage, Novell, Statoil, Toshiba, and the United

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On Nov 24, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no neutral game being played here. Concerns were raised that the GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported OOXML becoming an ISO standard. Thus, the answer was simple: We do not. Well except

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Jody Goldberg
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 04:11:11AM +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: On Nov 24, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no neutral game being played here. Concerns were raised that the GNOME Foundation's participation in EMCA TC45-M suggested that we supported OOXML becoming

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-23 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:02:49AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Don't cry about people who criticize the Foundation's unconditional support for OOXML, you're pointing guns at your own feet (and in fact just took another

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Don't cry about people who criticize the Foundation's unconditional support for OOXML, you're pointing guns at your own feet (and in fact just took another shot). Nice trollish statement. -- Regards, Olav

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:22:00AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:02:49AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Don't cry about people who criticize the Foundation's unconditional support for