Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
Heh, then should a question be whether you're a member of the FSF? Sometimes what is good for the FSF isn't good for GNOME and vice versa. Neither of those two is the right basis to decide what we should do. Companies have no goal beyond what is "good for them", so that is what they aim for. The Free Software Foundation and the GNOME Foundation should aim beyond that. The FSF aims to promote free software and the freedoms that it gives to users. I hope members of the GNOME Foundation board will also aim explicitly for this goal, and proudly say so. It's not a conflict of interest, because that was the original purpose of starting GNOME, and should continue to be its goal. I hope to see candidates that explicitly state their intention to work to make GNOME a bulwark of freedom, as well as to make it a success. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 02:49 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to > represent the GNOME Foundation membership after all -- but it must be > documented (least of all because of the maximum representation rule). > Should I repost to foundation-list and election with the correction, or is this discussion thread good enough? -- George (gk4) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 02:49 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to represent > > the GNOME Foundation membership after all -- but it must be documented > > (least of all because of the maximum representation rule). > > Should I repost to foundation-list and election with the correction, or is > this discussion thread good enough? Probably best to request that the membership committee fix it where it is published as information to eligible voters in the future. You could reply to the foundation-announce mail with a correction, but it's probably a bit of overkill. - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008 "One in 10 Europeans is allegedly conceived in an Ikea bed." - BBC News, 2005 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
Hi, George Kraft wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 02:49 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: >> No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to >> represent the GNOME Foundation membership after all -- but it must be >> documented (least of all because of the maximum representation rule). >> > > Should I repost to foundation-list and election with the correction, or > is this discussion thread good enough? I imagine that a correction to elections@ is good enough. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:29 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Sometimes what is good for a GNOME-using company is also good for the > free software community. Sometimes it isn't. When it isn't, there's > a conflict of interest. > > This isn't heavy-handed and ugly, but it is a possible conflict of > interest. I think it would be a good idea to have fewer rather than > more board members with such possible conflicts of interest. Heh, then should a question be whether you're a member of the FSF? Sometimes what is good for the FSF isn't good for GNOME and vice versa. Every affiliation can't be documented, it's simply to numerous to enumerate. But, work is a major one and I think it should be identified. --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
Even if you don't do that right now and was never asked to do, it's not impossible that you may be pressured to so in the future, which is why the affiliation is important A very nasty company, whose internal culture is cynical and has little idea of loyalty, might put heavy-handed pressure on its employees to do what they think is wrong. But I think that not many of the companies involved in GNOME are like that, so I don't expect this to happen to many board members. A person treated that way might even quit in defiance. So I think the principal worry is something less crude and more subtle. A company that is doesn't put heavy-handed pressure on its employees can inspire loyalty in them. The employees want the company to succeed, and they know what is good for it, so they may advocate the company's interests in the GNOME board, at the expense of the free software community. They are not pressured; they do this of their own free will. Sometimes what is good for a GNOME-using company is also good for the free software community. Sometimes it isn't. When it isn't, there's a conflict of interest. This isn't heavy-handed and ugly, but it is a possible conflict of interest. I think it would be a good idea to have fewer rather than more board members with such possible conflicts of interest. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 09:37 -0600, George Kraft wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 -0600, George Kraft wrote: > > > > > > Affl: none > > > Bio: http://live.gnome.org/GeorgeKraft > > > > Hi George, > > > > Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that > > case your Bio page is outdated. > > I still work for IBM, but I would not officially represent them with > respect to GNOME. I'm afraid that's still an affiliation... ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 09:37:07AM -0600, George Kraft wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 -0600, George Kraft wrote: > > > > > > Affl: none > > > Bio: http://live.gnome.org/GeorgeKraft > > > > Hi George, > > > > Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that > > case your Bio page is outdated. > > I still work for IBM, but I would not officially represent them with > respect to GNOME. It's not a matter of "official representation" but of whether your actions might be skewed in favour of your employer, which is fairly easy to happen if you depend on them for a living. Even if you don't do that right now and was never asked to do, it's not impossible that you may be pressured to so in the future, which is why the affiliation is important Rui -- P'tang! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 27th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
> > Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that > > case your Bio page is outdated. > > I still work for IBM, but I would not officially represent them with > respect to GNOME. No director represents their affiliation -- they're elected to represent the GNOME Foundation membership after all -- but it must be documented (least of all because of the maximum representation rule). - Jeff -- GNOME.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://live.gnome.org/Melbourne2008 "Laughter is a force for democracy." - John Cleese ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 -0600, George Kraft wrote: > > > > Affl: none > > Bio: http://live.gnome.org/GeorgeKraft > > Hi George, > > Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that > case your Bio page is outdated. I still work for IBM, but I would not officially represent them with respect to GNOME. -- George (gk4) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft
On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 -0600, George Kraft wrote: > > Affl: none > Bio: http://live.gnome.org/GeorgeKraft Hi George, Great to see you running. So, you are not with IBM anymore? In that case your Bio page is outdated. Regards, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
