Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-22 Thread Richard Stallman
When creating a directory named with a translation of the word Desktop, for use as a desktop, how about making that a symlink to Desktop under suitable circumstances? That way, if you change locales, you will still have the same desktop contents. And I was hoping to steer

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:07:07PM +, Bastien Nocera wrote: And I was hoping to steer the discussion towards the fact that 1) it's a piece of freedesktop.org software that does this, so 2) the discussion should take place neither on GNU mailing-lists, nor on GNOME ones, but on

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-19 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, On 01/18/2012 07:32 PM, Michael Hasselmann wrote: The rejective attitude towards joining a GNU mailing list that I see here should then result in GNOME leaving the GNU project. Then above statement can be removed from the website. I know this is an old flamebait, but if no one here who is

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
The way the comment was presented (and granted, we're missing context here) was as if this behavior was a bug. I doubt anyone believed the behavior was unintentional. So it's definitely not a bug in the strict sense of the term. The question raised in that discussion was whether this

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 13:03 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: The way the comment was presented (and granted, we're missing context here) was as if this behavior was a bug. I doubt anyone believed the behavior was unintentional. So it's definitely not a bug in the strict sense of the term.

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 18/01/2012 03:36, Richard Stallman a écrit : (I think that person was right: learning one English word `Desktop' is not much of a burden, and on the other hand, this feature can cause a real nuisance for users that use multiple locales.) If I choose my session in ..., I expect each and

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2012/1/18 Julien Puydt julien.pu...@laposte.net: Le 18/01/2012 03:36, Richard Stallman a écrit : (I think that person was right: learning one English word `Desktop' is not much of a burden, and on the other hand, this feature can cause a real nuisance for users that use multiple locales.) If

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Maciej Marcin Piechotka
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 12:30 +0100, Julien Puydt wrote: Le 18/01/2012 03:36, Richard Stallman a écrit : (I think that person was right: learning one English word `Desktop' is not much of a burden, and on the other hand, this feature can cause a real nuisance for users that use multiple

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 21:36 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Can't these be brought up on proper GNOME lists then? Especially seeing as there is no public archive for your GNU list. We use this list for private discussions about GNU in general. Sometimes the issues relate to GNOME, but

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever is TRT. It isn't feasible for me, and I don't know who to ask. No, that's not how the world works! The person asking should have brought it up on a

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Michael Hasselmann
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 18:25 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever is TRT. It isn't feasible for me, and I don't know who to ask. No, that's not how the

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 19:32 +0100, Michael Hasselmann wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 18:25 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever is TRT. It isn't

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Michael Hasselmann mich...@taschenorakel.de wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 18:25 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever is

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
I really don't like that eh, just one English word to learn, deal with it condescending tone. That tone was not in my message -- it comes from you, not me. It is normal for people to disagree on a technical question, so you must not make personal attacks on people for stating technical

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
(I think that person was right: learning one English word `Desktop' is not much of a burden, and on the other hand, this feature can cause a real nuisance for users that use multiple locales.) Not to mention that for some people that could very well mean “just one new

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
mention that this particular behaviour is specified: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs They can recommend, but they cannot specify anything for us. In the GNU Project we pay attention to standards, and usually we follow them, but not automatically or necessarily. For

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 17:32 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: mention that this particular behaviour is specified: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs They can recommend, but they cannot specify anything for us. In the GNU Project we pay attention to standards, and usually

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 17:32 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: [...] The standards made by POSIX, ISO and freedesktop.org are suggestions. They carry some weight because users typically appreciate compatibility with standards. But that's not the only thing users appreciate, so a standard is not a

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-18 Thread Richard Stallman
A GNOME developer in the list would have seen this and could have responded, raises the issue in the appropriate GNOME list, or whatever is TRT. It isn't feasible for me, and I don't know who to ask. No, that's not how the world works! That's how gnu-prog-discuss works. We

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-17 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2012/1/16 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: In general we discuss on gnu-prog-discuss issues about how to make the GNU system better and/or more successful.  Some of them are technical, some are not.  Some of them involve GNOME. Can't these be brought up on proper GNOME lists then? Especially

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-17 Thread Richard Stallman
Can't these be brought up on proper GNOME lists then? Especially seeing as there is no public archive for your GNU list. We use this list for private discussions about GNU in general. Sometimes the issues relate to GNOME, but that doesn't mean they're specifically about GNOME. It would

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-17 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I know I used to be on that mailing list. I don't remember unsubscribing from it, but I haven't seen communications in quite a while. But then again, maybe I unsubscribed and I dont remember. behdad On 2012-01-17, at 9:36 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Can't these be brought up on

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 08:20 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: The list gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org is meant for GNU maintainers to discuss issues. Some of them pertain to GNOME. It would be useful to have some influential GNOME developers in the list. Could you invite a few to contact Karl?

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-16 Thread Richard Stallman
In general we discuss on gnu-prog-discuss issues about how to make the GNU system better and/or more successful. Some of them are technical, some are not. Some of them involve GNOME. So it would be good to have a couple of people who are in the heart of GNOME decision making and would like to

Re: Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-16 Thread Gregory Leblanc
(I had to add this top bit myself, since Richard didn't bother to quote the pertinent part of the message he was replying to) On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: Could you go into a bit more details as to how those discussions might pertain to GNOME? The

Could a few influential GNOME develoers join gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org?

2012-01-15 Thread Richard Stallman
The list gnu-prog-disc...@gnu.org is meant for GNU maintainers to discuss issues. Some of them pertain to GNOME. It would be useful to have some influential GNOME developers in the list. Could you invite a few to contact Karl? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51