Re: [guadec-list] Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: > 1. Conflicts with the schedule for GNOME 3.2 (feature, API, docs are @ > Aug 15, UI one week later). Basically the proposed freezes are right > after the desktop summit. There is not much that we can do regarding > scheduling GNOME as GUADEC has consistently been later and later in the > year. > We need a shorter release cycle for GNOME 3.2 (release date is proposed > for Sep 28), so not sure what can be done. Generally there is almost no > development activity during GUADEC. > Note that above dates are still not final. Thanks for the feedback, Olav. Indeed, this is a point I had not considered, and it is an important one. I have forwarded it on to the desktop summit team list for discussion. > 2. Conference start on a Saturday is I think unusual for GUADEC? I > thought it always was a weekday. Not sure if everything can be ready in > such a short timeframe. This is essentially the same format we had in Gran Canaria, and is now confirmed. This was partly the university's availability, and partly a preference of the local team (as Johannes says, this was discussed before I got involved). On getting the venue ready, we have a large & motivated local team, and we can get into the venue on Friday night, and from 7am on Saturday morning, so we might be OK, if we are well prepared. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi! > 1. Conflicts with the schedule for GNOME 3.2 (feature, API, docs are @ > Aug 15, UI one week later). Basically the proposed freezes are right > after the desktop summit. There is not much that we can do regarding > scheduling GNOME as GUADEC has consistently been later and later in the > year. > We need a shorter release cycle for GNOME 3.2 (release date is proposed > for Sep 28), so not sure what can be done. Generally there is almost no > development activity during GUADEC. > Note that above dates are still not final. Well, the desktop-summit dates were basically depending on the vanue. As the german summer-break starts later than in most other countries the university isn't available at other times. Might be useful to change the release cycle dates a bit if possible. > 2. Conference start on a Saturday is I think unusual for GUADEC? I > thought it always was a weekday. Not sure if everything can be ready in > such a short timeframe. We had a long discussion that basically broke down to the KDE people wanting to start on Saturday and the GNOME people prefering a week-day. There are pros and cons for both so we finally settled on the timetable we have now. It might be better explained in the meeting minutes. Regards, Johannes ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [guadec-list] Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:30:49AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi Gil, > > Gil Forcada wrote: > > So criticism was expected? I understood as a set-in-stone decision :) > > Feedback was expected... some of this *is* set in stone, but I > definitely prefer hearing concerns now, so that we can try to address them. 2 points: 1. Conflicts with the schedule for GNOME 3.2 (feature, API, docs are @ Aug 15, UI one week later). Basically the proposed freezes are right after the desktop summit. There is not much that we can do regarding scheduling GNOME as GUADEC has consistently been later and later in the year. We need a shorter release cycle for GNOME 3.2 (release date is proposed for Sep 28), so not sure what can be done. Generally there is almost no development activity during GUADEC. Note that above dates are still not final. 2. Conference start on a Saturday is I think unusual for GUADEC? I thought it always was a weekday. Not sure if everything can be ready in such a short timeframe. -- Regards, Olav ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi, Johannes Schmid wrote: > I know that we discussed in the first meeting to have a pre-registration > the day before and don't start the first day before 12 to allow smooth > registration. Don't know if they changed everything back in the second > meeting... I don't think it makes sense to start the conference at 12 on Saturday. 10, maybe. But we only have 3 days of talks - sacrificing a half day seems a lot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi Gil, Gil Forcada wrote: > So criticism was expected? I understood as a set-in-stone decision :) Feedback was expected... some of this *is* set in stone, but I definitely prefer hearing concerns now, so that we can try to address them. > Just from an organizational PoV: having the core days in the first day > (aka August 2nd) with the joint conference (so ~1000 attendees) I think > it's a terrible idea! > This year's GUADEC with the two pre-conference days were wonderful in > terms or setting everything up, not just the registration desk per-se, > but the network, the signaling, getting all the volunteers around and up > to speed ... > > So in short, one day as registration/pre-conference/hackfest/BoF day it > should be a must for all conferences that everyone expects to run > smoothly. We won't have access to the venue before 5pm on the Friday (another event preceding us), unfortunately, and for the bigger halls, we can only have them from Friday to Monday - so this part is indeed set in stone. We anticipate getting the network well planned in advance and getting it up & running early - we are hopeful that the CCC will help us plan our network infrastructure, and for those of you in the know, you're aware that there could be no better way to ensure everything works well. For welcome desk & registration set-up, volunteer co-ordination and other issues you mention, we will definitely have some issues to work around... we plan to gather & brief volunteers & group leaders on Friday night (both for the set-up & to help ensure smooth running during the conference) and Saturday morning before the start of the conference, we are thinking about having someone help with on-site logistics (running on-the-ground operations & communications, ensuring that everyone who needs volunteers has them, and ensuring that no volunteers are being overworked). There is one additional complication which will make things fun & interesting - the rooms we have for BOFs & hacking from Tuesday through Friday are in a different building (literally just across the street) from where the bigger talks will be. So we also need to co-ordinate a tear-down & set-up on Monday evening, where we will need a lot of help. You're dead right to raise these concerns. We will of course try to mitigate the effect you mention, and will do as much as possible to ensure that everything is ready for Saturday morning. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi! > Makes sense to me. And if anyone knows what will and won't make > conferences like GUADEC run smoothly, it's _probably_ Gil. I know that we discussed in the first meeting to have a pre-registration the day before and don't start the first day before 12 to allow smooth registration. Don't know if they changed everything back in the second meeting... Johannes ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
On Oct 11, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Gil Forcada wrote: > > So in short, one day as registration/pre-conference/hackfest/BoF day it > should be a must for all conferences that everyone expects to run > smoothly. Makes sense to me. And if anyone knows what will and won't make conferences like GUADEC run smoothly, it's _probably_ Gil. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
El dl 11 de 10 de 2010 a les 09:56 +0200, en/na Dave Neary va escriure: > Hi, > > Dave Neary wrote: > > > Three things are worth singing out to GUADEC attendees as significant > > differences from previous events. > > > > First, the conference will be held later than usual, on 6-12 August. > > > > > Second is the conference format. > > > > > Third, following a lot of feedback after Gran Canaria, the desktop > > summit will have one papers committee made up of people from GNOME and > > KDE this year. > > > > > This the Free Desktop Conference - it seems like a natural place for > > people from Xorg, freedesktop.org and desktop applications to gather and > > address common problems. > > > > Just wanted to say I'm glad that there seems to be no > opposition/criticism of these core issues. The call for content for the > Desktop Summit will open in February, and hopefully we will be able to > start announcing sponsors and keynote speakers very soon. > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Berlin! Hi, So criticism was expected? I understood as a set-in-stone decision :) Just from an organizational PoV: having the core days in the first day (aka August 2nd) with the joint conference (so ~1000 attendees) I think it's a terrible idea! This year's GUADEC with the two pre-conference days were wonderful in terms or setting everything up, not just the registration desk per-se, but the network, the signaling, getting all the volunteers around and up to speed ... So in short, one day as registration/pre-conference/hackfest/BoF day it should be a must for all conferences that everyone expects to run smoothly. Just my 5 cents and 5 years behind the info-desk (as a pleasure!) Cheers, > Cheers, > Dave. > -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi, Dave Neary wrote: > Three things are worth singing out to GUADEC attendees as significant > differences from previous events. > > First, the conference will be held later than usual, on 6-12 August. > Second is the conference format. > Third, following a lot of feedback after Gran Canaria, the desktop > summit will have one papers committee made up of people from GNOME and > KDE this year. > This the Free Desktop Conference - it seems like a natural place for > people from Xorg, freedesktop.org and desktop applications to gather and > address common problems. Just wanted to say I'm glad that there seems to be no opposition/criticism of these core issues. The call for content for the Desktop Summit will open in February, and hopefully we will be able to start announcing sponsors and keynote speakers very soon. Looking forward to seeing you all in Berlin! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Dates & format for Desktop Summit 2011 announced
Hi all, As some of you may have noticed, the Desktop Summit dates, format and location were announced today [1] - and we have an updated website online [2]. Three things are worth singing out to GUADEC attendees as significant differences from previous events. First, the conference will be held later than usual, on 6-12 August. This was a constraint imposed by the university, related to German university schedules (students have classes in Germany right up to mid July). This week was the earliest we could hold the conference. Second is the conference format. We will be following roughly the same format as we did in Gran Canaria - three days of organised talks and keynotes, which will be held in four big lecture halls, and four days of BOFs, hackfests and related activities. The foundation annual general meeting is provisionally scheduled for Tuesday 9th, and teams will be invited to schedule BOFs, team meetings, hackfests and related attendee-generated content on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday - there are a selection of rooms of varying sizes available for sessions every day. The conference closing will thus be on Monday evening, before the BOF days, since we expect that some people will decide to leave before the end of the week. Third, following a lot of feedback after Gran Canaria, the desktop summit will have one papers committee made up of people from GNOME and KDE this year. There will be one call for content, and the content committee will decide on the presentations to accept together. This should help overcome the impression that many people had last year that Gran Canaria felt like two different conferences held in the same place at the same time, but with no real interaction between the communities. We also welcome proposals from outside KDE & GNOME this year. Personally, I would love to see application developers building on the platform giving us feedback on what they need, *and* core OS developers whose work *we* build on come along to hear what we're missing. This the Free Desktop Conference - it seems like a natural place for people from Xorg, freedesktop.org and desktop applications to gather and address common problems. I've been told reliably that the board is planning on publishing the feedback they received from attendees from this year's GUADEC soon - and we have definitely taken this into account so far when planning the next year's conference, within the constraints which we have. I'm looking forward to a great conference! Cheers, Dave. [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2010/10/06/kde-and-gnome-desktop-summit-2011-from-6-to-12-august/ [2] http://www.desktopsummit.org -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
