Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
Mailing lists are a comfortable medium for most of us on this list, but I think most recruiters are website/forum type people (and probably more forums than wikis), so it's good to have a place they can work comfortably. Stormy On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calum Benson wrote: > > > > On 16 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > >> Calum Benson wrote: > >>> Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? > >> > >> 1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current > >> openings at > >> any time, > > > > Ok, I'll concede that advantage, provided people remember to keep it up > > to date :) One of the number one problems with wikis is content rot, > > though... so it would probably be good to require an expiry date to most > > job postings anyway (which can be reset as required), in which case the > > advantage over a mailing list is somewhat reduced. > > What I didn't write up in the page but assumed is implied is that anyone > can > remove the old postings if they know it's not available anymore (perhaps > because they contacted and was told so). > > >> 2) Keep it simple. This took me ten minutes to set up. A mailing > >> list would > >> have taken at least a few days, > > > > Why the rush? We've had nothing for years, what's a few days if it > > means a better solution? :) > > Prioritize. We lived without it for ten years, so I come to believe it's > not > as high priority as, say, me working on GUADEC, or our sysadmins working on > upgrading Bugzilla. Yes, small things add up. > > I also *do* believe that l.g.o is a better medium. For one reason our > mailing > list archives are so archaic one has to use an external archive like gmane. > > > >> 3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more > >> intuitive, > > > > Only if you already have a wiki account, otherwise it's much the same, > > really. Plus you'll then get subscription messages for every change to > > the wiki page, in not-very-user-friendly diff format, with no > > particularly useful subject heading. And at least half of those emails > > won't even correspond to the actual posting of a new job, as presumably > > you'll be notified when people delete jobs, fix formatting/typos etc. as > > well...? > > I don't know who you have in mind, but in my idea, the audience of those > job > postings not only have a l.g.o account already, they also have a personal > page > there. Really, the page is targeted at l.g.o users. > > I also have to agree with Björn: nothing special about me setting this up. > Anyone is welcome to set up a better system. > > > Cheers, > > behdad > > > > Cheeri, > > Calum. > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
Calum Benson wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > >> Calum Benson wrote: >>> Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? >> >> 1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current >> openings at >> any time, > > Ok, I'll concede that advantage, provided people remember to keep it up > to date :) One of the number one problems with wikis is content rot, > though... so it would probably be good to require an expiry date to most > job postings anyway (which can be reset as required), in which case the > advantage over a mailing list is somewhat reduced. What I didn't write up in the page but assumed is implied is that anyone can remove the old postings if they know it's not available anymore (perhaps because they contacted and was told so). >> 2) Keep it simple. This took me ten minutes to set up. A mailing >> list would >> have taken at least a few days, > > Why the rush? We've had nothing for years, what's a few days if it > means a better solution? :) Prioritize. We lived without it for ten years, so I come to believe it's not as high priority as, say, me working on GUADEC, or our sysadmins working on upgrading Bugzilla. Yes, small things add up. I also *do* believe that l.g.o is a better medium. For one reason our mailing list archives are so archaic one has to use an external archive like gmane. >> 3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more >> intuitive, > > Only if you already have a wiki account, otherwise it's much the same, > really. Plus you'll then get subscription messages for every change to > the wiki page, in not-very-user-friendly diff format, with no > particularly useful subject heading. And at least half of those emails > won't even correspond to the actual posting of a new job, as presumably > you'll be notified when people delete jobs, fix formatting/typos etc. as > well...? I don't know who you have in mind, but in my idea, the audience of those job postings not only have a l.g.o account already, they also have a personal page there. Really, the page is targeted at l.g.o users. I also have to agree with Björn: nothing special about me setting this up. Anyone is welcome to set up a better system. Cheers, behdad > Cheeri, > Calum. > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
Congratulations! You have successfully voluntered for setting up a mailing list. :) 2008/10/17 Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 16 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > >> Calum Benson wrote: >>> >>> Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? >> >> 1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current openings >> at >> any time, > > Ok, I'll concede that advantage, provided people remember to keep it up to > date :) One of the number one problems with wikis is content rot, though... > so it would probably be good to require an expiry date to most job postings > anyway (which can be reset as required), in which case the advantage over a > mailing list is somewhat reduced. > >> 2) Keep it simple. This took me ten minutes to set up. A mailing list >> would >> have taken at least a few days, > > Why the rush? We've had nothing for years, what's a few days if it means a > better solution? :) > >> 3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more >> intuitive, > > Only if you already have a wiki account, otherwise it's much the same, > really. Plus you'll then get subscription messages for every change to the > wiki page, in not-very-user-friendly diff format, with no particularly > useful subject heading. And at least half of those emails won't even > correspond to the actual posting of a new job, as presumably you'll be > notified when people delete jobs, fix formatting/typos etc. as well...? > > Cheeri, > Calum. > > -- > CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team > http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 > > Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > -- mvh Björn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
On 16 Oct 2008, at 14:15, Hubert Figuiere wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 13:32 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? There are many things that wikis aren't particularly good for, and this strikes me as being one of them. Nor is a mailing list. Why not? I've been subscribed to loads of jobs mailing lists over the years, and they work just fine. I don't recall every seeing anyone else use a wiki to advertise jobs, though. Something we can pull with an RSS feed is probably more appropriate. Yes, that would work well too. (You can already pull some RSS feeds from live.gnome.org of course, but I don't know if you can limit them to a particular page-- and right now they're mostly useless because hardly anyone fills in the 'what changed' comment anyway.) At list the wiki page does not require to subscribe to it to read it. No, but you do have to remember to go and look at it, and that's *so* last century :) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
On 16 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Calum Benson wrote: Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? 1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current openings at any time, Ok, I'll concede that advantage, provided people remember to keep it up to date :) One of the number one problems with wikis is content rot, though... so it would probably be good to require an expiry date to most job postings anyway (which can be reset as required), in which case the advantage over a mailing list is somewhat reduced. 2) Keep it simple. This took me ten minutes to set up. A mailing list would have taken at least a few days, Why the rush? We've had nothing for years, what's a few days if it means a better solution? :) 3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more intuitive, Only if you already have a wiki account, otherwise it's much the same, really. Plus you'll then get subscription messages for every change to the wiki page, in not-very-user-friendly diff format, with no particularly useful subject heading. And at least half of those emails won't even correspond to the actual posting of a new job, as presumably you'll be notified when people delete jobs, fix formatting/ typos etc. as well...? Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
Calum Benson wrote: > > On 15 Oct 2008, at 20:31, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > >> Many GNOME-friendly companies have job openings that they announce >> on blogs, IRC, or random mailing list. >> >> Many GNOME hackers look for jobs and they crawl blogs, mailing lists, >> or ask on IRC. >> >> Now there is a central place that community members can post >> GNOME-related >> job openings, and job seekers can subscribe to. Nothing fancy, a good old >> wiki page: >> >> http://live.gnome.org/Jobs > > Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? 1) Postings on a wiki can be removed, keeping a list of current openings at any time, 2) Keep it simple. This took me ten minutes to set up. A mailing list would have taken at least a few days, 3) Subscribing and unsubscribing to the wiki is much easier and more intuitive, Cheers, behdad > There are > many things that wikis aren't particularly good for, and this strikes me > as being one of them. > > Cheeri, > Calum. > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 13:32 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? There > are many things that wikis aren't particularly good for, and this > strikes me as being one of them. Nor is a mailing list. Something we can pull with an RSS feed is probably more appropriate. At list the wiki page does not require to subscribe to it to read it. Hub ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
On 15 Oct 2008, at 20:31, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Many GNOME-friendly companies have job openings that they announce on blogs, IRC, or random mailing list. Many GNOME hackers look for jobs and they crawl blogs, mailing lists, or ask on IRC. Now there is a central place that community members can post GNOME- related job openings, and job seekers can subscribe to. Nothing fancy, a good old wiki page: http://live.gnome.org/Jobs Any reason you didn't just set up a gnome-jobs mailing list? There are many things that wikis aren't particularly good for, and this strikes me as being one of them. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The FSF has a jobs page too: fsf.org/resources/jobs. > Many GNOME-related jobs will qualify for listing there. Hopefully :) I would more interested by jobs which would qualify for both than by jobs whih are about GNOME technologies but not for Free Software, but some people probably don't mind. However, I think that some links on this wiki page to other places were we can find some GTK/GNOME jobs could be nice, in addition to the actual jobs. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Job Posting Board
The FSF has a jobs page too: fsf.org/resources/jobs. Many GNOME-related jobs will qualify for listing there. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Job Posting Board
Many GNOME-friendly companies have job openings that they announce on blogs, IRC, or random mailing list. Many GNOME hackers look for jobs and they crawl blogs, mailing lists, or ask on IRC. Now there is a central place that community members can post GNOME-related job openings, and job seekers can subscribe to. Nothing fancy, a good old wiki page: http://live.gnome.org/Jobs Regards, behdad ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
