(By the same token, if this particular bit of self-congratulatory
revisionism is suddenly fair game, I'd obviously be interested in
knowing that as well.)
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
Saying "GNU/Linux" is a simple and effective way to teach people about
the real history of the system that many of them have been taught to
call "Linux". It is also very efficient, since it takes so little
work.
I was under the distin
> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I agree
we need to continue to educate people but I don't think GNU/Linux is going
to be the way it happens.
Saying "GNU/Linux" is a simple and effective way to teach people about
the real history of the system that m
On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 04:01 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> That's not the argument we are making. We say GNU/Linux because GNU wants
> the credit for the part it delivers other than the kernel. That's why we
> say GNU/Linux.
>
> That's an understatement. The reason people should call
That's not the argument we are making. We say GNU/Linux because GNU wants
the credit for the part it delivers other than the kernel. That's why we
say GNU/Linux.
That's an understatement. The reason people should call this system
"GNU/Linux" is that its core is the GNU system, with
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:53 PM, guido iodice wrote:
> 2010/6/14 Sriram Ramkrishna :
> > It's reasonably implied that Linux includes the GNU system.
> > There is no other system that Linux has other than GNU
>
> Pardon, but this is not true. I.e. Android has Linux but it has not
> GNU. It is ver
I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a
GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning
GNU/Linux is disingenious.
See gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many.
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On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:53:17PM +0200, guido iodice wrote:
> Excuse me, I was unclear. That is no matter of quantity, but matter
Some of these posts (the one I'm replying to) hit the moderation queue.
Just FYI: I won't approve any of such posts anymore. Find another list
to discuss GNU vs GNU/
2010/6/14 Sriram Ramkrishna :
> It's reasonably implied that Linux includes the GNU system.
> There is no other system that Linux has other than GNU
Pardon, but this is not true. I.e. Android has Linux but it has not
GNU. It is very different from a GNU/linux distro.
> GNU is not the main
> pa
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, guido iodice wrote:
> 2010/6/14 Stormy Peters :
>> We need to work on other campaigns to spread the word about the value of
>> free software.
> Surely free software needs more.
> But it should be useful for all to explain than GNOME is part of GNU,
> and GNU is the
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM, guido iodice wrote:
> 2010/6/14 Bastien Nocera :
> >
> > I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a
> > GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning
> > GNU/Linux is disingenious.
>
> Well, but merging GNU and Linux (or GNU and Fr
2010/6/14 Bastien Nocera :
>
> I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a
> GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning
> GNU/Linux is disingenious.
Well, but merging GNU and Linux (or GNU and FreeBSD kernel...) we have
an OS. KDE is not sufficient to have an OS
2010/6/14 Stormy Peters :
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Millions of people now say Linux
Millions of people believed the earth was flat, but they wrong :)
> and GNU/Linux is
> harder to say, uglier sounding (hard G's are not easy), implies that we feel
> left
Hey,
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I
>> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think
>> GNU/Linux is going to be the way
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
>
> Keep in mind GNU considers GNOME to be part of it ;)
>
>
> I completely understand that. I am not pushing for GNOME/Linux either.
Stormy
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On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I
>> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think
>> GNU/Linux is going to be the way it hap
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>
> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I
> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think
> GNU/Linux is going to be the way it happens. Millions of people now
> say Linux and GNU/Linux
Stormy Peters writes:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> As long as the mistake continues to be common, we need to keep up the
> efforts to educate people. I wish we could get this done once and for
> all, so that we could move on. But, as you surely see
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> As long as the mistake continues to be common, we need to keep up the
> efforts to educate people. I wish we could get this done once and for
> all, so that we could move on. But, as you surely see, the mass media
> continue to call t
> Do we want to spend time being held back by the missing infrastructure
> on other OSes than Linux? The large majority of contributors use
Linux,
> and we'd like to be able to not get held back.
>
> The large majority of them use GNU/Linux. Linux is a kernel and
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 03:44 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > Also, if Linux is part of GNOME, that would imply it is part of GNU.
> > I don't think we want to imply that conclusion.
>
> I guess that you misunderstood my original mail.
>
> That is possible.
>
>
> Also, if Linux is part of GNOME, that would imply it is part of GNU.
> I don't think we want to imply that conclusion.
I guess that you misunderstood my original mail.
That is possible.
We need to be able to
drain the swamp,
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 20:27 +0200, Ruben Vermeersch wrote:
> Is this related to (I think it was Mark Shuttleworths) idea of defining
> a reference platform with synchronized versions of the core components
> (which we could then target)? I can imagine this to be massively useful
> for ISVs.
I thi
On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 13:15 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I would think it being fine to say, GNOME is:
> - Linux kernel
> - D-Bus
> - NetworkManager/BlueZ/PolicyKit/udisks/upower
> - X11
> all the way to GTK+/Clutter combination and apps
>
> It seems like stretching things
On vr, 2010-06-04 at 15:19 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 20:36 +0200, Javier Jardón wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in your application you say:
> >
> > > - (Re-)defining GNOME:
> > > The Foundation charter defines GNOME as a loose collection of
> > > independent project, though
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I would think it being fine to say, GNOME is:
> - Linux kernel
> - D-Bus
> - NetworkManager/BlueZ/PolicyKit/udisks/upower
> - X11
> all the way to GTK+/Clutter combination and apps
>
> It seems like stretching things that
I would think it being fine to say, GNOME is:
- Linux kernel
- D-Bus
- NetworkManager/BlueZ/PolicyKit/udisks/upower
- X11
all the way to GTK+/Clutter combination and apps
It seems like stretching things that a GUI desktop
includes all the lower level facilities it runs on.
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 20:36 +0200, Javier Jardón wrote:
> Hello,
>
> in your application you say:
>
> > - (Re-)defining GNOME:
> > The Foundation charter defines GNOME as a loose collection of
> > independent project, though we need to stop considering it as such if
> > GNOME is to take an import
Hello,
in your application you say:
> - (Re-)defining GNOME:
> The Foundation charter defines GNOME as a loose collection of
> independent project, though we need to stop considering it as such if
> GNOME is to take an important role in the future of computing, be it on
> the desktop, or in devic
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