Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-22 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 21:43 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Another problem with trying to find an issue here is that, depending on the point of view, Amazon acted within their own Terms (point iii under Subscriptions). Legally, that would make a difference; ethically, it is beside

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-22 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org writes: I see it as receiving a convenience in exchange for an agreement. More specifically, it's receiving a percentage of sales money in return for helping to promote Amazon. Another way of seeing it: the opposite of a boycott. Ignoring Amazon for a

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-22 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:20:22 +0200 Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 21:43 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Another problem with trying to find an issue here is that, depending on the point of view, Amazon acted within their own Terms (point iii under

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Created some Amazon affiliate accounts in US, UK, Canada and Germany so tha= t Jaap can set up stores and a Firefox widget that will enable people to direct Amazon referral fees for their purchase to GNOME. It is not a good thing for the GNOME Foundation to support Amazon in this

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Richard Stallmanr...@gnu.org wrote:    Created some Amazon affiliate accounts in US, UK, Canada and Germany so tha=    t    Jaap can set up stores and a Firefox widget that will enable people to    direct Amazon referral fees for their purchase to GNOME.

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:41:36 -0400 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Created some Amazon affiliate accounts in US, UK, Canada and Germany so tha= t Jaap can set up stores and a Firefox widget that will enable people to direct Amazon referral fees for their purchase to

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Luis Villal...@tieguy.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Richard Stallmanr...@gnu.org wrote:    Created some Amazon affiliate accounts in US, UK, Canada and Germany so tha=    t    Jaap can set up stores and a Firefox widget that will enable people

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Philip Van Hoof
Dear Richard, An organizations like GNOME is free to decide for themselves which of the online services they will use. There are two things you can do here. o. First is to set up a business that operates the way you want and that allows an organization like GNOME to sell the kind of things

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Philip Van Hoofpvanh...@gnome.org wrote: Dear Richard, An organizations like GNOME is free to decide for themselves which of the online services they will use. And as Richard is a member of GNOME (honorary if not in fact) he's certainly welcome to politely

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 11:22 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Hey Luis! On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Philip Van Hoofpvanh...@gnome.org wrote: An organizations like GNOME is free to decide for themselves which of the online services they will use. And as Richard is a member of GNOME

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Juanjo Marin
I think is good that people remind us these issues in order to make good or, at least, meditated and informed decisions. Thanks for that:) -- Juanjo Marín PS: I'm not a GNOME member, just a GNOME user and humble contributor. El mar, 21-07-2009 a las 16:04 +0100, Alan Cox escribió: On Tue,

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
GNOME can't exist in a cultural vacuum. We should do everything we can to work against DRM, to support sources of Free culture, and to educate users about Free culture, DRM, and non-patent-encumbered media formats.[1] But we also have to make compromises sometimes, so that

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
And stupid patents Many companies get absurd patents -- which does not excuse them -- so in this regard there is no point singling out Amazon. However, Amazon is one of the few that has actually sued using a software patent. ___ foundation-list

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Amazon was also the first significant provider of mainstream commercial music to offer a 100% DRM-free music store, and also the first (as far as I know) to offer a GNU/Linux client (albeit a non-libre client) for their music store. Distributing a non-libre program means

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Another problem with trying to find an issue here is that, depending on the point of view, Amazon acted within their own Terms (point iii under Subscriptions). Legally, that would make a difference; ethically, it is beside the point. Some people are willing to sign away their freedom

Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-20 Thread Stormy Peters
http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2009/07/20/stormys-update-week-of-july-13th/ First thing Monday morning I went to the doctor who determined that I had a sinus infection. (For fellow travelers, if your cheekbones ache and your teeth feel like they are going to fall out every time the plane takes