This is elitism and reflects a club mentality.
--- Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just for the record, also, I'll restate what I said
> earlier- I'm
> voting yes here because, quite simply, there are not
> 11 qualified AND
> motivated candidates every year. There have in most
> years bee
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Luis Villa wrote:
> Just for the record, also, I'll restate what I said earlier- I'm
> voting yes here because, quite simply, there are not 11 qualified AND
> motivated candidates every year. There have in most years been 12-13
>
> Concatenating all the minutes into one file would make it possible to
> run M-x occur on a given board member's name, and get a quick glance
> of how much (and what) that person has done. If you only did this
> regarding the people you were considering voting for, would that
On Mon, October 24, 2005 22:11, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote:
> El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
>> I want to vote for people who do things. But what are their names? I
>> think we have at least 2 board members who are busy. With 11 available
>> positions and (last
On 10/26/05, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree that they don't have enough chances because a lof of members
> vote during elections as if it were a popularity contest. And they
> probably do this because they don't see what actions the board is
> doing or should do, and who would be
Hi Daniel,
On Tue, October 25, 2005 15:14, Daniel Veillard wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
>> On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > With less members they will be forced to step down. That is my
>> > > intention. After ea
Hi,
On Mon, October 24, 2005 21:09, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote:
> I agree with you, the referendum was created to decide if we want less
> members, but may be there are some opinions to get more members on the
> board, and that's not bad, because we can vote. On the other hand having
> more
(I didn't have time to read this thread before, sorry for coming a bit
late ;-))
On Mon, October 24, 2005 13:50, Luciana Bastos de Freitas Menezes wrote:
> I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're
> raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the number of ou
Alan Horkan wrote:...
I would think a smaller board would require *more* delegation and given
the nature of the beast the idea of breaking down tasks into smaller parts
and trying to get other to help out more seems to makes a lot of sense.
It may 'require' it[1], but it does not ensure it.
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Bill Haneman wrote:
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:48:22 +0100
> From: Bill Haneman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: foundation-list@gnome.org, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Vote NO on referen
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:39 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> I still think the problems being reported are nothing to do with
> the size of the group but to do with lack of clear process and
> with poor delegation. These are not easy to fix, but I don't
> think changing the group size will help.
On
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 04:27:05PM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote:
> Actually, no you can't. Perhaps there are those who know how much
> each board member has done but quite honestly, I have no clue. And
> short of manually pinging all of them and trying to extract the
> informa
Actually, no you can't. Perhaps there are those who know how much
each board member has done but quite honestly, I have no clue. And
short of manually pinging all of them and trying to extract the
information from them not only about themselves but the others on the
board (whi
El mar, 25-10-2005 a las 16:48 +0100, Bill Haneman escribió:
> I agree with Liam. His observations
> match my interpretation of my experiences on the Board.
In the Members meeting in stuttgart we've disscused this kind of topics,
i agree that board need leadership, and as Liam and Bill say reduci
I agree with Liam. His observations
match my interpretation of my experiences on the Board.
regards
Bill
Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 09:45 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
[...] many of us notice that the large
size of the group causes irrelevant distraction, even when urgent
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 09:45 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
> [...] many of us notice that the large
> size of the group causes irrelevant distraction, even when urgent
> decisions are necessary. That happens even with the best people.
I find it happens with teleconference consisting of only two or
th
On 10/25/05, Daniel Veillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
> > On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > With less members they will be forced to step down. That is my
> > > > intention. After each year
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
> On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > With less members they will be forced to step down. That is my
> > > intention. After each year I want to see what each board member has
> > > accomplished.
> >
[snip]
> Basically, it seems
> there is adequate concern that some players aren't really 'doing their
> bit'. It shouldn't have to come to this just to get decisions made,
> surely!
I don't think that anyone has ever complained that anybody is not doing
their bit, though I suppose it would be grea
On จ., 2005-10-24 at 14:26 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote:
> On 10/24/05, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100,
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:27 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote:
> [...]the board has too
> important a role to play right now, and if we continue to play the
> popularity contest, I think the project will suffer.
>
If only every member of the foundation could realize of this fact...
Claudio
--
Claudio S
Hi,
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> The board should be smaller. With 11 people everyone expects someone
> else to do the job. With less, people will know that applying means
> that:
> * They need to have time
> * They need to be active
> * They should ask another group
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 04:09:49PM -0300, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote:
> > Also, why do you think a board should be bigger because the community
> > becomes bigger. The board should defer most things to other groups.
>
> i guess that the point is: how we can represent more ideas or opinions
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 05:11:20PM -0300, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote:
> El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > On Llu, 2005-10-24 at 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > > I totally disagree. The refe
On 10/24/05, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > > > So vote for members who do things. I
On 10/24/05, Fernando San Martín Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > So vote for members who do things. If you have less members and they
> > > then turn out not to do
El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 22:01 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > On Llu, 2005-10-24 at 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > I totally disagree. The referendum was created because we have board
> > > members that do nothing at all. Why wo
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Llu, 2005-10-24 at 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > I totally disagree. The referendum was created because we have board
> > members that do nothing at all. Why would you want members of the board
> > that do nothing? Some board mem
On Llu, 2005-10-24 at 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> I totally disagree. The referendum was created because we have board
> members that do nothing at all. Why would you want members of the board
> that do nothing? Some board members only wanted to be on the board
So vote for members who do th
El lun, 24-10-2005 a las 20:05 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:50:08AM -0200, Luciana Bastos de Freitas Menezes
> wrote:
> > I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're
> > raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the number of our
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:50:08AM -0200, Luciana Bastos de Freitas Menezes
wrote:
> I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're
> raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the number of our
> representats in the board.
I totally disagree. The referendum was
Good morning, all!
As I see GNOME community is in a huge increase. More than ever I see
people using GNOME and spreading the choice of what works well and is
good!
I live in the south of Brazil, and it seams contraditory while we're
raising the number of users, contributors, to decrease the numbe
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