Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Philip Van Hoof wrote: >> GNOME, both as a community and as a foundation, should teach the good >> examples and critic the bad ones. > > GNOME should stick to teaching the good examples. Criticizing the bad > ones is only counter productive. Just curious, s

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! > Respect is earned, not due. You haven't behaved in a way that deserves > my respect. Both of you: The Code of Conduct is in affect for the mailing lists, so stick to it. That's even more important when you discuss about a Code for the Planet... Regards, Johannes signature.asc Descriptio

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 14-12-2009 00:26, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: > > Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's > > making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free > > choice. > > Choice of the mas

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 8:49 AM, "Ciaran O'Riordan" wrote: > > Yes. You said that no one's yet demonstrated a problem, and you gave a > solution for if the problem was demonstrated. You're solution was 100% > compatible with Richard's solution. Except that we now seem to have had the (non-existent) proble

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Yes. You said that no one's yet demonstrated a problem, and you gave a solution for if the problem was demonstrated. You're solution was 100% compatible with Richard's solution. This means that the only difference between the two positions is the number of problematic posts. For you it's curre

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 7:24 AM, "Ciaran O'Riordan" wrote: > > That's a rule (a policy), which is mild and doesn't involve jumping straight > to blocking a whole blog. And it was suggested in heated opposition to this > comment: No, Ciaran: you've removed the entire surrounding context, and recast the sense

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Putting aside, for a minute, the interpretations, elaborations and rewordings, it's funny how similar the actual suggestions are: Lefty says: > if any instances of > "promotion of non-free software" should actually occur, they can be dealt > with when they do, on a case-by-case basis. That's a r

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is not free choice for a slave. It only looks like "free choice" to other mas

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 15:49 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: Note that I've been cutting a bit in the "> reply" text. > Richard is free to suggest what he thinks should be done, as are we > all. The GNOME Foundation is free to resolve this problem in the way > that we think makes the most sense, after

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/12/09 1:49 PM, "Brian Cameron" wrote: > > However, since this problem seems to really happen only on rare > occasion, and since it does not seem that any non-free organizations > are really trying to use GNOME Planet to do any real advertising, > then perhaps a disclaimer link to highlight

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 12-12-2009 11:31, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 09:51 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I have a personal blog and when I asked planet.openmoko.org to add my posts, I gave them the RSS feed corresponding to posts under the tag OpenMoko. Perhaps it would be a simpler sug

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Brian Cameron
Philip: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:20:50 -0600 Brian Cameron wrote: Richard's suggestion that a "mild approach" may be appropriate does not seem over-the-top to me. Perhaps a "mild approach" could be something simple like a disclaimer on planet... I don't think Richard is suggesting that as "m

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! > I have a personal blog and when I asked planet.openmoko.org to add my > posts, I gave them the RSS feed corresponding to posts under the tag > OpenMoko. > > Perhaps it would be a simpler suggestion to pass on the aggregated > bloggers that after date X only posts with the tag GNOME will

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Philip Van Hoof
(I'm replying the two of you at the same time in an attempt at reducing the thread's size) On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:20:50 -0600 Brian Cameron wrote: > Richard's suggestion that a "mild approach" may be appropriate does > not seem over-the-top to me. Perhaps a "mild approach" could be > something s

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 11-12-2009 18:20, Brian Cameron escreveu: If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could b

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could be interpreted that way, I think. We can alway