Unsubscribing from GNOME's mailists
It is outrageous for a simple (but over a decade) GNOME user & believer to read something like this on GNOME's mail lists. >I don't know about "free software". Even after more than a decade it's >still an alien term for me. I know it is "opensource" for as far as I'm >concerned. And that's all I care about. >(yes, I read most of FSF's webpages, it's still alien) >(Mr Philip Van Hoof, Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:33:49 +0100) I wish you all a good luck, i ll be waitin (as many others in my country) for GNOME 3 release and offcourse I m sure that Stormy is more than capable to lead the project into this decade (Lady allowed me to say that i m thinking of you with respect everytime i send a print in my HP machine) Godspeed Hercules Koroneos Athens, Greece -- Hercules Koroneos ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 03/05/2010 04:33 PM, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > >> I suggest to form workgroups which get a own mailinglist and the >> workgroup can discuss the topic (whatever that would be) inside the >> group and present the outcome of the discussion on foundation list. > > I'm not trying to knock your idea, but it is a lot of infrastructure > to solve a problem that, realistically, requires immediate action. It > is not that useful for a workgroup to show up three days later and > declare that a thread has gotten off track. If we can address the > problem at its source, it might work better. For example: I'm not sure if you understood what I meant with workgroups :) I dont suggest workgroups which decide whether a thread is off track or not, instead I suggest workgroups to discuss the topic of the thread in a smaller group with everyone who is interested and present the results of the discussion afterwards to the foundation list. We have done this in another foundation (way smaller, I admit), because not everyone wanted to participate at every discussion. > > * Private emails to the troublemakers, encouraging them to realize the > damaging effects they are having. > * Stop tolerating threads going off-topic. Insist that a new thread > be started, and enforce repeated offenses with temporary banning. Anyways, I agree with you that there is immediate action needed! -Felix ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: unsubscribing
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Felix Kaser wrote: > > > On 03/05/2010 02:57 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: >> >> I don't really want to start the conversation again that we had about >> the Code of Conduct, but if our Foundation members are no longer >> participating in the conversation for all the reasons we are currently >> seeing, I think we need to find a solution quickly. >> >> I don't know what that solution is without some knee jerk reactions, but >> I just wanted to communicate my dismay in seeing long standing >> Foundation members leave the list. > > What about forming small workgroups which kick in when a topic becomes > too "emotional" or simply too complex, unclear and confusing to be > discussed on foundation list? Or, moderators could step in immediately when a thread starts to meander off-topic, and recommend that new threads be started. This way, useful threads can be read, and argumentative ones can be ignored by uninterested parties. It shouldn't be too hard for those who feel the need to quibble on certain points, to change the subject of their replies to reflect that their email is no longer on-topic for the thread. > If you look at the last 20 or 30 emails you will notice that there are > some few people which participate at the discussion. I'm sure that there > are others which are in "read-only" mode or in "ignore" mode. They may > be too frightened to participate because all they get in return are > unkind words. Dave recently shared this article on Planet GNOME, and I do hope that everyone who is contributing to the bulk of these giant threads (you know who you are) will take the time to read it: http://www.danspalding.com/articles/stfu.html > I suggest to form workgroups which get a own mailinglist and the > workgroup can discuss the topic (whatever that would be) inside the > group and present the outcome of the discussion on foundation list. I'm not trying to knock your idea, but it is a lot of infrastructure to solve a problem that, realistically, requires immediate action. It is not that useful for a workgroup to show up three days later and declare that a thread has gotten off track. If we can address the problem at its source, it might work better. For example: * Private emails to the troublemakers, encouraging them to realize the damaging effects they are having. * Stop tolerating threads going off-topic. Insist that a new thread be started, and enforce repeated offenses with temporary banning. If nobody is participating in these new argumentative threads, they will die out on their own. But as long as they're mixed in with real, useful debate, the problem of this list being completely unreadable will continue. Just my two cents, Sandy ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: unsubscribing
On 03/05/2010 02:57 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: > > I don't really want to start the conversation again that we had about > the Code of Conduct, but if our Foundation members are no longer > participating in the conversation for all the reasons we are currently > seeing, I think we need to find a solution quickly. > > I don't know what that solution is without some knee jerk reactions, but > I just wanted to communicate my dismay in seeing long standing > Foundation members leave the list. What about forming small workgroups which kick in when a topic becomes too "emotional" or simply too complex, unclear and confusing to be discussed on foundation list? If you look at the last 20 or 30 emails you will notice that there are some few people which participate at the discussion. I'm sure that there are others which are in "read-only" mode or in "ignore" mode. They may be too frightened to participate because all they get in return are unkind words. I suggest to form workgroups which get a own mailinglist and the workgroup can discuss the topic (whatever that would be) inside the group and present the outcome of the discussion on foundation list. -Felix ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: unsubscribing
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 14:41 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: > I'm unsubscribing from foundation-list. > > Bye. > > I don't think I'm the only one who's disturbed by the fact that multiple Foundation members are leaving the list. I've also seen similar comments in #gnome-hackers from other Foundation members who have unsubscribed. I don't really want to start the conversation again that we had about the Code of Conduct, but if our Foundation members are no longer participating in the conversation for all the reasons we are currently seeing, I think we need to find a solution quickly. I don't know what that solution is without some knee jerk reactions, but I just wanted to communicate my dismay in seeing long standing Foundation members leave the list. Paul ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
unsubscribing
I'm unsubscribing from foundation-list. Bye. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
