Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Nov 6, 2007 7:26 PM, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/6/07, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I guess it's no surprise that money and free/open software have a > > delicate relationship... > > I have been putting it in this way: > > The connection between free

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Johannes Schmid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Just a short note on the success of bounties. The Anjuta Project (www.anjuta.org/tasks, list is not completely up-to-date) put bounties of overall about 4000$ in place about two years ago. Only about half of those have been worked on since and the

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Kubasik
Don't get me wrong, bounties can be great motivators, especially around key bugs or major refactoring jobs etc. I think the Google Summer of Code is a great example of a successful bounty program. Other systems that have worked well are sometimes the completely independent 'I'll buy a DVD/Beer/Lun

Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Richard Stallman wrote: > I think that one requisite of a good board member is a visible > commitment to the goal of a world in which software is free. I think the Gnome Foundation could make heavier emphasis on free and open data / file formats too, as a marketing tool (and mission statement bu

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
> I'm sure alot of us myself included would like to spend more time working on > free software if we could only afford it... I guess my original suggestion for a more formal bounty system would be doomed to fail (too complicated, not in the free spirit) - but perhaps there could be an lgo page l

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Le jeudi 08 novembre 2007, à 08:45 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak a écrit : > Has http://live.gnome.org/Academic gotten stuck? The wiki page, yes, but not the idea :-) I'm working with a French professor doing a computer science course and using GNOME as a basis for the projects. Also, Davi

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
> Posting 'a beer at > next Guadec for whoever fixes bug #7' is informal enough that I think > we avoid the main issue which is the alienation of volunteers, > however, it doesn't really address the big issue which is how can > users donate and drive development of a feature they desire? I'm more

academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Has http://live.gnome.org/Academic gotten stuck? Has the promised mailing list happened? Can I help? The thread on this list seemed to die out in August with no further action. - Mike ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: >> I'm working with a French professor doing a computer science course and >> using GNOME as a basis for the projects. Also, David Bolter put me in >> contact with a professor who's interested in having students do some >> GNOME-related projects. There's also a gr

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Kubasik
On Nov 8, 2007 6:38 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure alot of us myself included would like to spend more time working on > > free software if we could only afford it... Always a hearty second to that :) > > I guess my original suggestion for a more formal bounty

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Kubasik
On Nov 8, 2007 8:12 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: > >> I'm working with a French professor doing a computer science course and > >> using GNOME as a basis for the projects. Also, David Bolter put me in > >> contact with a professor who'

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I've created the page after last GUADEC this year, unfortunatly there is a > request for the mailing list but isn't still resolved. Anyway i think that > today we are "more" people interested so we can try to advance on this > idea together. There were some problems creating mailing lists arou

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Claudio Saavedra
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:12:02AM -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: > >> I'm working with a French professor doing a computer science course and > >> using GNOME as a basis for the projects. Also, David Bolter put me in > >> contact with a professor who's

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Kevin Kubasik wrote: > While research is awesome, I know there are also classes that just > require students to track an open source project and eventually submit > a patch (its more the process thats being taught then the actual > coding itself, how to work within an existing framework) I kn

Re: academic cooperation - new list up

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Jeff Waugh wrote: > There were some problems creating mailing lists around that time. I'll do it > for you immediately. Thanks Jeff! The new list is available here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/academia-list - Mike ___ foundation-list maili

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Fernando San Martín Woerner
El jue, 08-11-2007 a las 15:42 +0100, Vincent Untz escribió: > Hi, > > Le jeudi 08 novembre 2007, à 08:45 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak a écrit : > > Has http://live.gnome.org/Academic gotten stuck? > > The wiki page, yes, but not the idea :-) > > I'm working with a French professor doing a c

Re: academic cooperation

2007-11-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 15:42 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > I'm working with a French professor doing a computer science course and > using GNOME as a basis for the projects. Also, David Bolter put me in > contact with a professor who's interested in having students do some > GNOME-related projects

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 08:02 -0200, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: > > > Interesting way of putting it, we wouldnt ever want patches to be rushed > in because of cash incentives, this is indeed risky - on the other hand I dont > see why there shouldnt be some external distributed firm of developers > w

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Kubasik
On Nov 8, 2007 8:29 AM, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 11:53 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: > [...] > > Just a short note on the success of bounties. The Anjuta Project > > (www.anjuta.org/tasks, list is not completely up-to-date) put bounties > > of overall about 4

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 11:53 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: [...] > Just a short note on the success of bounties. The Anjuta Project > (www.anjuta.org/tasks, list is not completely up-to-date) put bounties > of overall about 4000$ in place about two years ago. Only about half of > those have been wor

clarification and apology [was Re: board]

2007-11-08 Thread Luis Villa
On Nov 2, 2007 7:43 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I volunteered to take leadership on this position months ago. > > We chose to have a Board member as liaison to the Legal team, which was very > clearly delegated the responsibility to provide legal support and advice to > the F

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 10:29 -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote: > > Gnome Miles. :) Already there. Called Bugzilla points :). -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Frank

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
>> Gnome Miles. :) > > Already there. Called Bugzilla points :). Exactly. I'd rather keep my Bugzilla points than trade them for Gnome socks... That just rewards insiders (not a bad thing...) but it doesn't address the idea of developing a commercial support ecosystem... (Don't get me wrong

Re: clarification and apology [was Re: board]

2007-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
On Nov 8, 2007 7:44 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > apologies for the impression I may have > created about the current board. No problem, Luis. I don't think the board members got bad feelings for your constructive and rather justified criticism. Man, we love you! -- Quim Gil /// h

Re: clarification and apology [was Re: board]

2007-11-08 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 11/8/07, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 8, 2007 7:44 PM, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > apologies for the impression I may have > > created about the current board. > > No problem, Luis. I don't think the board members got bad feelings for > your constructive and rather

Re: About the coming election

2007-11-08 Thread Bruno Boaventura
> In the years that I have been very peripherally associated (member of > Membership Committee which gets the infrequent stick only during > election time ), I somehow feel that the general perception is > still that "rockstars rule the GNOME Board". Hello! I'm a new member of the Membership Commi

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Johannes Schmid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! > It might work better to give gifts -- Gnome socks, X.org underpants, > a certificate to hang on the wall, or whatever. Do you remeber those people from GUADEC with Telepathy T-Shirt. There was something on it like: "I spend my whole free time

Re: FOSDEM '08

2007-11-08 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 08 novembre 2007, à 20:31 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > > Is somebody this year taking care of the GNOME developer room at FOSDEM? > > I think this year you have to request one. Let's not forget to do > that :) (has somebody done this already?) Well, we had to request one every yea

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Nov 8, 2007 12:07 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Posting 'a beer at > > next Guadec for whoever fixes bug #7' is informal enough that I think > > we avoid the main issue which is the alienation of volunteers, > > however, it doesn't really address the big issue whic

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Nov 6, 2007 7:26 PM, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/6/07, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I guess it's no surprise that money and free/open software have a > > delicate relationship... > > I have been putting it in this way: > > The connection between free

FOSDEM '08

2007-11-08 Thread Philip Van Hoof
Is somebody this year taking care of the GNOME developer room at FOSDEM? I think this year you have to request one. Let's not forget to do that :) (has somebody done this already?) -- Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org h

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Stallman
I've seen projects like Plone do that... it's clearly an open source project, but they list quite a few companies that can provide for-pay support. What's more significant for our purposes is that Plone is a free software package. That makes it relevant for comparison. _

Re: clarification and apology [was Re: board]

2007-11-08 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Luis Villa wrote: > Since March of this year, I've been trying to help out on a variety of > miscellaneous Foundation-related legal projects- some important, some > not so much. All of these projects, for various reasons, stalled. When > I came back up to speed, I tried to revive them, but got

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Dave Neary
Johannes Schmid wrote: > Do you remeber those people from GUADEC with Telepathy T-Shirt. There > was something on it like: > > "I spend my whole free time hacking on Telepathy and all I got was this > T-Shirt". > > That was at least funny! And original to boot! :) Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME F