Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is not free choice for a slave. It only looks like free choice to other

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Putting aside, for a minute, the interpretations, elaborations and rewordings, it's funny how similar the actual suggestions are: Lefty says: if any instances of promotion of non-free software should actually occur, they can be dealt with when they do, on a case-by-case basis. That's a rule

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 7:24 AM, Ciaran O'Riordan cia...@member.fsf.org wrote: That's a rule (a policy), which is mild and doesn't involve jumping straight to blocking a whole blog. And it was suggested in heated opposition to this comment: No, Ciaran: you've removed the entire surrounding context, and

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Richard Stallman
That's where the cash for things like my FSF-E Fellowship, EFF membership, Creative Commons membership, etc., come from, see? These are worthy causes, but I would not encourage anyone to use non-free software even to get money to give to a worthy cause. However, the issue here isn't

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Richard Stallman
We wanted Gnome to be a free software stack, and that was our requirement. Gnome itself was assembled out of the available components plus the requirements of the community that emerged early on. GNOME was made out of available components and new components. In particular, we

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Richard Stallman
I made an accusation against Apple which was false, so I owed an apology. Being misunderstood, falsely accused, and vilified by some does not in my view mean I owe an apology. Instead I took steps to avoid similar misunderstandings. Your words impute spurious negative emotions to the events:

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Richard Stallman
You're also stretching the term censorship and related terms to an area where it does not pertain. For an organization to stand by its values, and not say things which conflict with those values, is not censorship. Fine. We can simply call it prior restraint if you

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 8:22 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Unable to come up with and too dumb are your own additions, which clearly were not present in the events themselves. Clearly, a lot of misunderstanding was present in the events themselves. To what do you attribute this wide-spread

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Jonathon Jongsma
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 08:33 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: On 12/13/09 8:22 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: Unable to come up with and too dumb are your own additions, which clearly were not present in the events themselves. Clearly, a lot of misunderstanding was present in the

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Paul Cutler
As it says in the footer of Planet GNOME: *Planet GNOME is a window into the world, work and lives of GNOME hackers and contributors http://planet.gnome.org/heads/. *Planet GNOME automatically reposts blog entries from the GNOME community. Entries on this page are owned by their authors. We do

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Tobias Mueller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heya, On 13.12.2009 16:33, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: To what do you attribute this wide-spread misunderstanding, if not stupidity, ignorance or a general lack of adequate erudition on the part of the audience? Misunderstandings can be a result of many

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 8:22 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: That's where the cash for things like my FSF-E Fellowship, EFF membership, Creative Commons membership, etc., come from, see? These are worthy causes, but I would not encourage anyone to use non-free software even to get

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/13/09 8:49 AM, Ciaran O'Riordan cia...@member.fsf.org wrote: Yes. You said that no one's yet demonstrated a problem, and you gave a solution for if the problem was demonstrated. You're solution was 100% compatible with Richard's solution. Except that we now seem to have had the

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
In the interests of a broader collection of data, I've shelled out of my own pocket to set up a professional-level SurveyMonkey account (the use of which I will happily share with the Foundation, at least until the annual subscription runs out, if it wishes to conduct surveys of its own). I've

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-13 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/13/2009 06:04 PM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: In the interests of a broader collection of data, I've shelled out of my own pocket to set up a professional-level SurveyMonkey account (the use of which I will happily share with the Foundation, at least until the annual subscription runs out, if it