Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 14-12-2009 00:26, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Respect is earned, not due. You haven't behaved in a way that deserves my respect. Both of you: The Code of Conduct is in affect for the mailing lists, so stick to it. That's even more important when you discuss about a Code for the Planet... Regards, Johannes signature.asc

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello, GNOME is not connected with the anti-hunting movement; there's no reason it should have any position on the question. But GNOME is part of the GNU Project, and it ought to support the free software movement. The most minimal support for the free software movement is to refrain from

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/12/10 Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org: The presence of articles discussing vmware, for instance, conveys the message that GNOME sees nothing wrong with it. I think you've added 1 and 1 and made 7. Richard. ___ foundation-list mailing list

Call for Talks - FOSDEM 2010 (GNOME devroom)

2009-12-14 Thread Christophe Fergeau
Hi everyone, As for the last few years, we'll have a GNOME devroom next year at FOSDEM (6/7 feb in Brussels), and as always, we want *YOU* to give a talk about the cool project you are hacking on in this devroom During this week-end, we'll have half a day dedicated to GNOME specific talks, and

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 08.12.2009, 15:24 -0500 schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak: Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Say, any viewer of p.g.o can vote a post +1 or -1. Then we can gather two metrics per poster: 1) how impactful his/her posts are (avg / median / max number of votes). 2) how interested are

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: As a specific example, to the question, Do you agree that viewing proprietary software as 'illegitimate', 'immoral', 'antisocial' and/or 'unethical' should be a pre-condition for syndication on Planet GNOME?, so far 151 respondents have answered No, only 19 have

GNOME Advisory Board Roles Responsibilities

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Stormy and the Board worked on creating a new list of roles and responsibilities for the advisory board, since what we had before was quite old. This has now been posted on the Foundation website at http://foundation.gnome.org/about/advisoryboard/ Feel free to suggest improvements on the

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Philip Van Hoof pvanh...@gnome.org wrote: GNOME, both as a community and as a foundation, should teach the good examples and critic the bad ones. GNOME should stick to teaching the good examples. Criticizing the bad ones is only counter productive.

Stormy's Update: Week of December 7th

2009-12-14 Thread Stormy Peters
* http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2009/12/14/stormys-update-week-of-december-7th/ http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/12/stormys-update-week-of-december-7th.html *** Answered a lot of emails and had a lot of discussions. As for things I actually crossed off my todo list: - Updated CiviCRM

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 09 décembre 2009, à 19:47 +0100, Dodji Seketeli a écrit : Le mer. 09 déc. 2009 à 14:45:55 (+0100), Philip Van Hoof a écrit: This is nonsense. The planet-gnome slogan is: Planet GNOME is __ a window into the world, work and lives __ of GNOME hackers and contributors. This

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Hey, Le mercredi 09 décembre 2009, à 13:32 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : On 12/09/2009 08:48 AM, Lionel Dricot wrote: - Each GNOME member should be able to add his feed to pgo. He might want to change his feed whenever he wants to take a more specialized one or not. The consensus in the

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009, à 17:20 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. So, as far as I can tell, nobody is collecting a list of members who support such a vote proposal. I still wanted to reply there. For many of the reasons

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Hey, Le jeudi 10 décembre 2009, à 07:46 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : My post on hunting comes to mind. I self censor now because I didn't like the negative comments directed at my kids. But would you block my whole blog because a vocal portion of the community is anti-hunting and people in

Re: Stormy's Update: Week of December 7th

2009-12-14 Thread Luis Villa
2009/12/14 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org: Had a great GNOME Advisory Board meeting about events and copyright assignments. The copyright assignment discussion in particular was very dynamic. Care to expand on that one? :) Luis ___ foundation-list

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, (This is hopefully my last mail for catching up with this thread ;-)) Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 12:48 +, Lucas Rocha a écrit : Hi all, The Board has recently received some complaints from members of the community about certain the inappropriate behaviors. In the context of

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with

Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 17:35 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : I also like to see two more ideas added to CoC: - Learn to agree to disagree. - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them. I support this change. I'm just unsure how we can update the Code of Conduct, since

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 16:56 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF.

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of the FSF, or to disagree with the

Re: Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)

2009-12-14 Thread Pierre-Luc Beaudoin
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 22:56 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Should we just version the Code of Conduct? Or is this a non-issue? I believe we don't need to update the Code since those 2 additions are expected behaviours from the existing Be respectful and considerate element. Maybe should these 2

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2009 05:26 PM, Philip Van Hoof wrote: But what if advocating free software means that the minimal support GNOME should do for GNU, is to claim that proprietary is illegitimate? Exactly. I have been supporting Free Software for over ten years, and will probably do for the rest of my

Re: Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2009 05:26 PM, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 22:56 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Should we just version the Code of Conduct? Or is this a non-issue? I believe we don't need to update the Code since those 2 additions are expected behaviours from the existing Be

Code of Conduct and Foundation membership (Summary)

2009-12-14 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi all, It's quite obvious that the original thread ended up branching into several separate topics. I thought it would be useful to summarize some of the key points on each topic in an attempt to bring a more practical perspective to the whole discussion. This is not an official message from

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership (Summary)

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2009 07:41 PM, Lucas Rocha wrote: - Learn to agree to disagree. - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them. Pierre suggested that both items are added to the list of example behaviours under Be respectful and considerate. This is something that should be officially proposed for

Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
[/me removes board hat] Hi everyone, I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members. If we make that change we would be able to discuss matters freely without making lots of news that

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Gregory Leblanc
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: [/me removes board hat] Hi everyone, I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members.  If we make that change

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Stormy Peters
Are there people on this list that are not GNOME Foundation members? If so, can you speak up? It would be good for everyone to know why you subscribe to foundation-list and the value you see in it. Also, maybe someone with list admin privileges could tell us roughly the number of subscribers and

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Glynn Foster
On 15/12/2009, at 2:49 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: [/me removes board hat] Hi everyone, I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members. If we make that change we would be able to

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Eustáquio Rangel
2009/12/15 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com: Are there people on this list that are not GNOME Foundation members? If so, can you speak up? It would be good for everyone to know why you subscribe to foundation-list and the value you see in it. Hi there. I'm not a GNOME Foundation member

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
2009/12/14 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com: Are there people on this list that are not GNOME Foundation members? If so, can you speak up? It would be good for everyone to know why you subscribe to foundation-list and the value you see in it. Yes. I'm not a Foundation member, but I am on

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/14/2009 10:20 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: As long as GNOME is a project that matters, there will always be bozos who will post uneducated articles about what you are doing. If your discussions are in the open, people who really care can see what was *really* said and help to keep those

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Behdad Esfahbod [/me removes board hat] Hi everyone, I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members. If we make that change we would be able to discuss matters freely

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/14/09 7:14 PM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: 2009/12/14 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com: Are there people on this list that are not GNOME Foundation members? If so, can you speak up? It would be good for everyone to know why you subscribe to foundation-list and the

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread sankarshan
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: [/me removes board hat] I like to ask for your support in my petition for referendum to make foundation-list archives private and membership limited to actual Foundation members.  If we make that change we would be able

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/15/2009 12:23 AM, Lefty (石鏡 ) wrote: In any case, journalist-impersonators like Mr. Varghese are going to write a load of smack, no matter what, even if they have to simply invent it. After all, they have in the past. Given that all the past incidents I can think of involve that same

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
2009/12/15 Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com: Are there people on this list that are not GNOME Foundation members? If so, can you speak up? It would be good for everyone to know why you subscribe to foundation-list and the value you see in it. Pick me! :-) I just like to follow what

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Sergey Panov
I am one of those old farts on foundation list (first e-mail in my gfnd folder is from Sep 19 2000). I left foundation because I thought I was not contributing (I did some i18n work, while I had free time). I was following the recent controversy closely. I am with Dave Neary on a subject of that

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 12/15/2009 01:50 AM, Sergey Panov wrote: Politics aside, what was Lefty(Open source advocate for ACCESS Co., Ltd.) and Philip Van Hoof (self-appointed propitiatory software advocate) contribution to GNOME in the last year? Are those two still members of the foundation? As per Code of

Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership (Summary)

2009-12-14 Thread Andy Tai
It seems that a better idea is to consider the Planet not part of GNOME. That way GNOME does not have to deal with whatever is in the planet, like slashdot does not control and is not responsible for the messages by its posters. GNOME controls the official web page content. This planet is not

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Sergey Panov
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 01:56 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: As per Code of Conduct, please assume people mean well. Which both Lefty and Philip do. Sorry, if I managed to brake some CoC. I have no idea what you mean by mean well, but their attack on RMS was quite tasteless. Philip is a

Re: Private Foundation-List Petition for referendum

2009-12-14 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 12/14/09 11:35 PM, Sergey Panov si...@sipan.org wrote: Nothing personal, but I never trusted those corporate Open Source Advocates ... . No offense taken, I'm sure... I fear you distrust a fair proportion of the Foundation's Advisory Board. Besides, Lefty does not work for ACCESS Inc.