Re: Distribution branding of GNOME

2005-03-10 Thread Richard Stallman
The GPL has always had command line apps covered on the dont remove the GPL/credits it just has to evolve to graphics. We're looking at doing just that, but we don't yet have a draft of such a change. ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: LSB summit in Boston

2006-05-18 Thread Richard Stallman
The Linux Standards Base is a plan to develop a specification for the GNU system. Not, in this case, for the GNU/Linux combination, just for GNU, because these specs don't concern the kernel, Linux. It is purely for GNU, but they call GNU Linux. If we want to develop specs for the GNU system,

Re: LSB summit in Boston

2006-05-20 Thread Richard Stallman
LSB today includes non-Linux companies implementing Linux compatibility (I presume you mean GNU/Linux compatibility.) for applications this way, and not all will use GNU code. The Linux in LSB is today arguably wrong, but for different reasons to those you assume. I take your

Re: Code Of Conduct

2006-05-31 Thread Richard Stallman
So I would definitely agree that given an idea of contributing (code), women will easily ask who will pay for it where men might not. Maybe they consider open source more as working than as a hobby or a way social networking or even as a way to educate oneself. Perhaps this is a

Re: Required: Administrator for the Foundation

2006-06-17 Thread Richard Stallman
Federico 10. Be computer literate. Preferably Linux literate. Unless you're looking for kernel hackers, please make that GNU/Linux literate. You probably want people who know how to edit with Emacs, write code to compile with GCC, debug with GDB, and call functions in GLIBC and GTK+.

Re: Required: Administrator for the Foundation

2006-06-18 Thread Richard Stallman
Linux is a trademark in the USA. The use of GNU/Linux without indicating the trademark is inappropriately confusing the registered mark. I could ask lawyers whether you are right, but I think there is no need to ask them unless someone makes a legal complaint. The FSF has never received

Re: Required: Administrator for the Foundation

2006-06-18 Thread Richard Stallman
Even when you are right regarding the probably-irrelevant-in-context GNU/Linux issue, it worths noting that the Foundation is looking for an administrator, not a hacker. That is clearly stated in Federico's e-mail title and body. You're right; I had forgotten that. (I was looking

Re: Required: Administrator for the Foundation

2006-06-20 Thread Richard Stallman
As Jonathan pointed out, our bank has a website which does some rather evil platform detection, and refuses to run on anything other than IE. This is worse than I realized. The Foundation is not only using user-subjugating software, it is using a bank that pressures its customers to do

Re: Required: Administrator for the Foundation

2006-06-20 Thread Richard Stallman
Online banking is a new feature for this bank. We told them we were planning on switching banks if they didn't support Firefox or other browsers, and they said that they would look into it. I wouldn't expect them to support it overnight, It would be counterproductive to hurry

Re: GNOME Local user groups

2006-07-26 Thread Richard Stallman
How about encouraging some sort of cooperation between GNOME user groups and the GNU Project? Most of GNOME users use the GNU system, and all of them use one important GNU package. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Code of Conduct final draft?

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Stallman
Do you really think that writing down Be nice makes us nicer and makes us look nicer to the outsiders? That's the funny thing - YES! Just reminding people nicely can make a big difference. The reminder can make people think, and a considerable fraction, after thinking, will

No trademark issue

2006-08-05 Thread Richard Stallman
I am forwarding Eben Moglen's explanation of trademark issues concerning the code of GNOME. Eben Moglen is a law professor and founded the Software Freedom Law Center. He specifically addresses the case of an error message, but I expect it is the same for any sort of string in the code, and

Re: Substituting Linux with GNU/Linux or GNU

2006-08-05 Thread Richard Stallman
Arguments against the term GNU/Linux commonly use straw men, double standards, unfair accusations, factual errors, and tangents. Alan Cox's message illustrates all of them. A straw man argument criticizes something that nobody's arguing for. The valid links in these arguments are often

Re: GNOME.conf.au and sponsorship

2006-10-11 Thread Richard Stallman
One problem of associating GNOME with the name Linux is that it could tend to encourage the widespread tendency to think of GNOME and all of GNU as part of Linux. Arranging sponsorship through gnome.conf.au instead of linux.conf.au would be a small step to avoid encouraging this.

Re: Substituting Linux with GNU/Linux or GNU

2006-10-22 Thread Richard Stallman
I think the board made a good decision--it dealt with the problem at hand, in a practical way. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: Substituting Linux with GNU/Linux or GNU

2006-10-23 Thread Richard Stallman
You've mis-spelled correctly as commonly and ignored the view of the owners of the Linux kernel and the Linux mark. Unfortunate. We ought to heed the wishes of the developers of Linux, when considering how to refer to their work, the Linux kernel. But this doesn't apply to the GNU/Linux

Re: Substituting Linux with GNU/Linux or GNU

2006-10-24 Thread Richard Stallman
Alan was pointing out that you don't have permission to create a trademark derivative from the owners of the Linux trademark. According our legal advice, from Eben Moglen of the Software Freedom Law Center, no special permission is needed for this.

GNOME and the free software movement

2006-11-24 Thread Richard Stallman
In general, a free program that runs in a completely free system is a contribution to freedom; but GNOME is special: it was launched specifically to defend our freedom. We stated GNOME to blunt the danger of the (then) non-free QT library. I think most GNOME users and developers today are not

Re: Endorsement for Joachim Norieko

2006-11-29 Thread Richard Stallman
I must say, I hadn't read Joachim's other comments until after I'd sent my endorsement. I stand by my assertion that he's been a highly motivated contributor to the GDP, although it's now somewhat hard to understand why. It shouldn't be a surprise. People have lots of different

Re: GNOME and the free software movement

2006-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
I believe in the values of this freedom myself, but never use it as an argument when I want to switch someone to GNU/Linux. Explaining to these people about freedom is important even if it doesn't bring immediate results in the sense of convincing them to switch. The most important thing

Re: GNOME and the free software movement

2006-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
In general, a free program that runs in a completely free system is a contribution to freedom; but GNOME is special: it was launched specifically to defend our freedom. We stated GNOME to blunt the danger of the (then) non-free QT library. I think most GNOME users and

Re: Endorsement for Joachim Norieko

2006-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
It unfortunately does not at this time, and that's something I'd really like to address. But right now, the documentation isn't even doing a good job of being documentation (although it is better than it used to be, thanks in large part to Joachim), and that's a higher

Endorsement

2006-12-04 Thread Richard Stallman
I endorse the candidacy of Dave Neary and Anne Oestergaard, because of their strong support for free software and its freedoms. Most practical improvements to GNOME will advance the Free Software Movement--but there are exceptions. There are also specific things the GNOME Foundation can do to

Re: Special GNOME event in California next week

2007-04-15 Thread Richard Stallman
I use the: GNOME / KDE / SAMBA / OpenOffice.org / PHP / FreeDesktop.org / Python / Apache foundation / X.org / Perl / [and 10,000 other packages ] / GNU / Linux as packaged by the huge communities of contributors to Gentoo / Debian / Fedora /

Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07

2007-06-11 Thread Richard Stallman
In concrete terms, what sort of things would people reasonably hope to achieve by joining ECMA? Of course, I'd be more comfortable with it if we put out a press release saying something to the effect of 'we see no way to avoid implementing OOXML without screwing our users, so we're

Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07

2007-06-13 Thread Richard Stallman
In relation to Hubert's comment I'm interested to hear your view on the Microsoft Open Specification Promise (OSP) that Microsoft applies to OOXML since last October. I had not heard of that before yesterday. Today I obtained a copy. I am not sure whether the license applies to

Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-07 Thread Richard Stallman
The 2006 Microsoft patent policy does not eliminate the patent obstacles to implementing OOXML. See http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections#Patent_rights_to_implement_the_Ecma_376_specification_have_not_been_granted (and the following questions too). That page also presents other

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-13 Thread Richard Stallman
Here in Portugal, in the OOXML fake-standard debate, the position of Free Softwar activists has been that it's impossible to fully implement, Yes. The spec has 6000 pages, and that isn't even the complete spec, since it refers to other Microsoft specs which it has not given permission to

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-13 Thread Richard Stallman
Does that wiki page roughly match your professional legal advice ? (or even experience ?). I haven't got any legal advice about this question yet. Have you? Anyhow - I am interested at your interest in the Open-Standards debate. As a tactic, I have noticed that ODF (or just Open

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Here in Portugal, in the OOXML fake-standard debate, the position of Free Softwar activists has been that it's impossible to fully implement, or might even be downright illegal to do it independently, closed formats. Well, neither OOXML nor ODF have been fully implemented by

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-14 Thread Richard Stallman
I'll try to forward you my collection of arguments, counter-arguments and counter-counter-arguments I'm preparing for the meeting next monday A long article full of details is useful for your meeting; however, in other contexts, a shorter article can be more persuasive. A long list

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-15 Thread Richard Stallman
OOXML is for the most part a much simpler version to process than the old file formats. If you know of something else more complex than OOXML's 6000-page incomplete spec, does it matter? Even supposing you are right, I don't see that it changes anything about OOXML. Thus we remain

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-17 Thread Richard Stallman
Interest groups have used standards to club their opponents for many years. Its nothing new. It is insulting because of the contemptuous attitude it shows. Really that speaks about you, not about me. I would not go as far as saying that OOXML is a sham just because ODF helps us

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-18 Thread Richard Stallman
OOXML is a sham as a free/open standard, due to dozens of flaws described in http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections. The problem is that the above url is far from being truthful. You do not have to go too far to find problems with it, starting with the

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-19 Thread Richard Stallman
The analysis on that page is based on a different patent license than the OSP for OOXML. If it isn't about OOXML and isn't about the OSP, it seems doubly irrelevant. In regard to what he says this about the OSP: “I see Microsoft’s introduction of the OSP as a good step

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Richard Stallman
Since I do not read what Microsoft says in standards group meetings, I thank Rui for informating us that it matches what Miguel de Icaza said here. Putting that similarity together with the nature of his statements (vague claims that that the criticism of OOXML is flawed), it becomes a cogent

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Richard Stallman
And put in different words: if anybody is concerned about how this issue affects the GNOME Foundation and the GNOME project in general please expose these concerns in a way we can do or say something. I think the GNOME Foundation should lend its support to the campaign against

Re: Foundation and Source Code Copyright

2007-08-03 Thread Richard Stallman
If the developers of some component of GNOME want to make it formally a GNU package, they can assign copyright to the FSF. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: Foundation and Source Code Copyright

2007-08-04 Thread Richard Stallman
The original reason that the FSF was advised to get copyright assignments from all contributors to a program is that simplifying the copyright status of the program facilitates going to court. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME Community Celebrates 10 Years of Software Freedom, Innovation and Industry Adoption

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Stallman
Boston MA, USA -- August 15, 2007 -- A one month, world-wide celebration of GNOME's tenth anniversary begins this week, culminating in mid-September with Software Freedom Day and the release of GNOME 2.20. During the celebration month, GNOME contributors will create a scrapbook

Re: Towards more collaboration between the academic world and the GNOME community

2007-08-21 Thread Richard Stallman
This is very timely. I've been asked to head up a pilot project here at the University of Toronto with a goal of engaging students in open source development. If you launch a project of open source development, you can teach students how to participate in useful projects of

Re: Towards more collaboration between the academic world and the GNOME community

2007-08-21 Thread Richard Stallman
I think about this issue pretty much every time I write open source -- and it is your fault :) Good ;-). I've been working hard at this for 9 years, and it is nice to know I have had influence on some people's thoughts. If I can also influence your actions so that you too will spread

Re: Preliminary results for Membership Vote Regarding Change to Bylaws

2007-10-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Is it really a too difficult and too time consuming task to spend a minute to cast one's vote in a fortnight for an average GNOME Foundation member? I had no strong opinion so I left it up to the others. ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Although I disagree with the tone and content of your email, an announcement is pending about a related issue, which may address concerns (legitimate or not) raised about GNOME's involvement in TC45-M. Participation in the TC45-M process does not imply approval or support for

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Richard Stallman
We'll be making a statement about the issue soon. Don't expect it to please everyone. I hope it will displease those that seek to cite the GNOME Foundation to advocate greater use of OOXML. ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Richard Stallman
Are you seriously suggesting that it's in the best interests of our users, of GNUmeric users and Abiword users, not to be able to open OOXML files? I disagree with your statement that most in the community want the standardisation process to fail - I would suggest that most want

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I think that The GNOME participating in OOXML lends it a credibility it does not deserve. Joining ECMA TC45 would be like joining of the political party you dislike the most to improve their politics. It's like starting a competing political party and going to the same law

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
Microsoft's goal is, by one means or another, to defeat free software which it now considers a serious threat. Whatever they do, it will not be a sincere standardization effort that offers no obstacle to free software implementions. This is just your opinion, Richard. Not

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Stallman
OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not. To pretend otherwise is to deny that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. Please don't be defeatist! We can and should try to make free software read OOXML, because that will be a useful feature -- but that

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-02 Thread Richard Stallman
You said: OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not. The defacto standard implies there is only one, and the sentence says it is not ODF. It is only by forcing that dichotomy that we set ourselves up for problems when MS eventually gets OOX through

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-02 Thread Richard Stallman
If that is the case, anyone who is represented on the ECMA committee is helping to promote the ISO acceptance of OOXML The latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Intentions do matter. Intentions do matter, especially in influencing others. But if you don't state

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-03 Thread Richard Stallman
The membership can still push for a change from not supporting to actively opposing given the debate now is more active. What does 'actively oppose' mean in concrete terms ? - Asking frivolous questions ? - Writing bad documentation ? - Starting flame wars on the mailing

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Richard Stallman
OOXML will be a de facto standard entirely due to Microsoft's dominant position in the computing industry... the fight is about preventing it to be a formal standard. I remain open to being convinced (1) that that distinction matters and (2) that anyone actually thinks

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Richard Stallman
That is a stretch. It's undeniably that improvements made in MOOX at my request will tangentially facilitate ISO acceptance. Thank you. If you make a public commitment to stay out of the activity of satisfying ISO, and to stay inactive in the committee while its focus is

Re: bounties?

2007-11-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Umm, never occurred to me... Maybe extend the Friend of GNOMEs program... with Benefits... donno.. Would we call this the GNOME Lovers program? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Statement on OOXML

2007-11-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Is someone working on a statement that the GNOME Foundation does not support acceptance of OOXML as an ISO standard? I would be glad to offer confidential suggestions about a draft. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-07 Thread Richard Stallman
I think that one requisite of a good board member is a visible commitment to the goal of a world in which software is free. GNOME's purpose is not merely to be a convenient desktop; it is to provide the Free World with a convenient desktop. ___

Re: bounties?

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Stallman
I've seen projects like Plone do that... it's clearly an open source project, but they list quite a few companies that can provide for-pay support. What's more significant for our purposes is that Plone is a free software package. That makes it relevant for comparison.

Re: The problem on the foundation front page

2007-11-14 Thread Richard Stallman
The first term is the preferred/correct one while the one in brackets helps connecting a phrase familiar to many people. I personally don't have any problem with either one. That is a legitimate approach, and it can be helpful as you say. However, those precise words are

Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft

2007-11-15 Thread Richard Stallman
Even if you don't do that right now and was never asked to do, it's not impossible that you may be pressured to so in the future, which is why the affiliation is important A very nasty company, whose internal culture is cynical and has little idea of loyalty, might put heavy-handed

Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft

2007-11-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Heh, then should a question be whether you're a member of the FSF? Sometimes what is good for the FSF isn't good for GNOME and vice versa. Neither of those two is the right basis to decide what we should do. Companies have no goal beyond what is good for them, so that is what they aim

Statement about OOXML

2007-11-21 Thread Richard Stallman
This statement seems to be taking a long time; the delay reduces the effect. When will it be published? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-24 Thread Richard Stallman
The page says p align=justifyThe work to standardise OpenXML has been carried out by Ecma International with representatives from Apple, Barclays Capital, BP, The British Library, Essilor, Gnome Foundation, Intel, Microsoft, NextPage, Novell, Statoil, Toshiba, and the United

two questions for candidates

2007-11-26 Thread Richard Stallman
1. Would you change anything in the GNOME Foundation statement about OOXML? 2. How do you think the GNOME Foundation should support the Free Software Movement in general? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-26 Thread Richard Stallman
The sell here for Microsoft is very very easy. The small businesses that I do consulting for here in the US all use Microsoft operating systems and office products. Do you talk to them about moving to free software? ___ foundation-list

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
Right on, but you could make sure not only geeks noticed the many poison pills of OOXML. This discussion is an evident proof one of the poison pills is getting at people. This discussion is not about supporting OOXML. The discussion is about how to prevent OOXML from becoming

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-29 Thread Richard Stallman
What funding? No one is paying Jody to do what he does on OOXML; again, he is a volunteer, doing things voluntarily. If someone were to volunteer for ODF, the board would facilitate it. But the board isn't going to pay anyone to work on either standard. We have analogous

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
And for as much threatening as Microsoft does around IP, they're not particularly active in litigating on it. When the issue is about patent law, saying intellectual property instead of patents only tends to confuse the issue, by spuriously extending it to copyrights, trademarks, and

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
The patent clauses of GPLv3 are designed to make Microsoft give us all patent safety thru its involvement in distribution of SuSe GNU/Linux, if and when programs under GPLv3 and not under GPLv2 are included in SuSe GNU/Linux. (If they aren't included in SuSe GNU/Linux, they don't affect Novell at

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
And for as much threatening as Microsoft does around IP, they're not particularly active in litigating on it. When the issue is about patent law, saying intellectual property instead of patents only tends to confuse the issue, by spuriously extending it to

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Also to not clutter mailboxes even more, I don't see how an optional dependency on anything can be worse than the fact that GNOME optionally compiles on MS Windows systems. That GNOME can work on Windows has no effect on what GNOME does in a GNU/Linux system. However, a dependency

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
The reason this is not so is that Microsoft is trying to spin the apparent support of GNOME into proof that OOXML is not bad for free software. Such a risk is always there. People who base their information on what one side of a story says are doomed to hear everything but

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
Vincent Untz posted our Mono policy yesterday, which states very clearly GNOME's stance on the issue. No part of the core platform can depend on Mono, and no part of the desktop suit can pick up a new Mono dependency without going through the module approval process again. A Mono

Re: A question to candidates

2007-12-02 Thread Richard Stallman
I think it would add value to spend more on marketing and on evangelical community building opportunities. For example, Windows and MacOS have flashy Welcome to the desktop presentations. Perhaps it is time for the GNOME community to find ways to better advertise itself. It

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-12-02 Thread Richard Stallman
If people are going to be looking at licenses, I would very much like to discuss the FDL v2, and our usage of the FDL in general. There are some troublesome parts whose implications for GNOME aren't clear to me. Would you like to pick someone to discuss this with the FSF?

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Richard Stallman
There is no schedule for the next FDL. Since Wikipedia has made up its mind, I want to (and owe it to them to) work on this soon. However, there is time to listen to suggestions, if they come soon. ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-12-03 Thread Richard Stallman
I don't recall that any candidate explicily rejected supporting the free software movement by means other than improving the attractiveness and success of GNOME. But several candidates answered in a way that seemed to pointedly imply a rejection of any such form of support for

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Richard Stallman
GNOME is based on a philosophy, but it is not just a philosophy. It is a project to develop and maintain a desktop environment. A technical project has to make specific technical decisions. It can't favor all the options that fit the philosophy; often it has to choose an avenue and follow it.

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-12-04 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard, I also like to see you show up in the GNOME Advisory Board meetings and mailing list as FSF's representative. Does that require travel, or can it be done by phone? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Can we improve things?

2007-12-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I have not used Planet GNOME, and I have no opinions about how it is run. However, a site without editorial control, on which people can post whatever they like, should not be the public face of GNOME. If it is perceived that way, that is a problem. To solve this problem does not necessarily

Re: [guadec-list] Re-considering expectnation web service

2008-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
I agree 100% here, just because we're supposed to have an ideology of free software doesn't mean we should be against using non-free software. The central point of the free software movement is that non-free software tramples the users' freedom. We must not ever treat non-free software

Re: GNOME Foundation Meeting Minutes :: 2nd January 2008

2008-01-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Diego Escalante requested sponsorship from GNOME Foundation to bring latin american GNOME contributors to a summer FLOSS event in Peru. The Board has aproved a $3000,00 sponsor for this event. Diego is also discussing with GNOME Chile about a Latin American tour of some key

Re: ghop

2008-01-26 Thread Richard Stallman
For people who don't know what GHOP is: http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ It looks like a useful and worthwhile activity, but that page describes GNOME as an open source project. Would you please ask them to describe GNOME as a free software project, and to talk about

Re: GNOME Foundation Announces Program to Sponsor Accessibility Projects

2008-02-27 Thread Richard Stallman
This activity sounds very useful, but there's a problem in the announcement: it doesn't mention free software, but does mention open source. Could you revise it so that free software gets equal weight (at least)? ___ foundation-list mailing list

Re: GNOME Foundation Announces Program to Sponsor Accessibility Projects

2008-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
The only places in the announcement that open source appears is in the Google's office name, and in the About blurbs of sponsors (Mozilla Foundation and Canonical). None of which GNOME Foundation has any control on. That is true, but the GNOME Foundation has control over the

Re: GNOME Foundation Announces Program to Sponsor Accessibility Projects

2008-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
Note that this press release is not about free software, but about accessibility It's about accessibility for GNOME, thus accessibility for free software. The fact that GNOME is free software isn't the main point of this announcement, but it should be a side point.

Re: Windows-only software in government

2008-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
In our company we have 75 linux desktop and 73 win32 desktops, It would be better to say, 75 GNU/Linux desktops and 73 Windows desktops. Calling the system GNU/Linux gives credit to the GNU Project (including GNOME) where it is due. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html. Also,

Re: GNOME Foundation Announces Program to Sponsor Accessibility Projects

2008-02-29 Thread Richard Stallman
Ok, you talked me into doing it. Check again: http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/gop-a11y.html Thank you. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: Windows-only software in government

2008-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
So if you want a research grant from the European Union, you're forced to be using Windows... We need to organize a campaign to change this. I wonder if Neelie Kroes could help. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-05 Thread Richard Stallman
In working with the Mozilla Foundation, we need to keep in mind that the Firefox binaries released by the Mozilla foundation are non-free. Originally this was true for two different reasons: 1. These binaries included the Talkback module for which source was not released at all. (Mozilla does

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Firefox 3.0 will use Breakpad instead of that talkback software. At one point the build included both for testing reasons. However, in the current nightly it appears that talkback is not included (I know it wasn't used for a while). Is Breakpad free? If so, that is good news --

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-06 Thread Richard Stallman
This is why some GNU/Linux distros use IceWeasel, BurningDog or IceCat instead of Firefox. Since they build from sources and do not include Talkback, they cannot call it Firefox. The reason why most people cannot distribute software compiled from the Firefox source code as

Re: GNOME Foundation and Mozilla Foundation join forces

2008-03-07 Thread Richard Stallman
Is this the EULA that you're referring to? http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/firefox-en.html Yes. It is quite clearly a non-free license. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Richard Stallman
GNOME is People. Do you have any evidence that the Moroccan *people* are opposed to the values GNOME stands for? I think the Moroccan *people* are not the issue. Those people have an oppressing regime, ignore them is not a really compelling idea to me. If the purpose of

Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2009

2008-04-22 Thread Richard Stallman
- US visa. It's a real issue. It's not a predictable and fast process like most European countries are. It literally takes months to get a US visa for those of us that need one. And many people going to GUADEC need one. I think it would be a good thing for GNOME to make a

One other question for the candidates

2009-06-09 Thread Richard Stallman
Here's a question that I would like the candidates to answer. What do you think GNOME should do to support the broader cause of free/libre software, and the freedom of computer users? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Created some Amazon affiliate accounts in US, UK, Canada and Germany so tha= t Jaap can set up stores and a Firefox widget that will enable people to direct Amazon referral fees for their purchase to GNOME. It is not a good thing for the GNOME Foundation to support Amazon in this

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
GNOME can't exist in a cultural vacuum. We should do everything we can to work against DRM, to support sources of Free culture, and to educate users about Free culture, DRM, and non-patent-encumbered media formats.[1] But we also have to make compromises sometimes, so that

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
And stupid patents Many companies get absurd patents -- which does not excuse them -- so in this regard there is no point singling out Amazon. However, Amazon is one of the few that has actually sued using a software patent. ___ foundation-list

Re: Stormy's update: Week of July 13th

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Amazon was also the first significant provider of mainstream commercial music to offer a 100% DRM-free music store, and also the first (as far as I know) to offer a GNU/Linux client (albeit a non-libre client) for their music store. Distributing a non-libre program means

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