Re: [Off Topic] Words to Avoid Vendor [was Re: Questions to answer]

2005-11-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 14:55 +, Alan Horkan wrote: We can't solve the problem by denying it. No one is denying the power of words but matters of linguistics are distracting from more important issues (like the need for clear information and heading off patent threats). Actually, the

[Off Topic] We need Vendors? [was Words to Avoid Vendor]

2005-11-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 09:42 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: In all of this discussion about whether they are third-party developers or independant software developers, I think people have missed the important point. That point is that we need to encourage traditional independant software

Re: [Off Topic] We need Vendors? [was Words to Avoid Vendor]

2005-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:02 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Many of our _users_ need for those systems to work well with free software. Yes, they need free-software alternatives even more, but we don't need to kick them repeatedly in the balls while they are trying to make the transition. GNOME

Re: [Off Topic] We need Vendors? [was Words to Avoid Vendor]

2005-12-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 09:37 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Luckily, I don't believe any of the candidates share your ridiculous extremist self-belief. How badly dressed you are... says the naked to the undressed. Your posts reflect an anti-ness that's borderline religious. Rui signature.asc

Re: GNOME and the free software movement

2006-11-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2006-11-25 às 22:51 +, Joachim Noreiko escreveu: Freedoms that you can't exercise are meaningless. This doesn't stand to reality: I'm not a journalist, yet freedom of press is not meaningless! Freedom for you to study and adapt the code doesn't mean you have to do it your self,

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi Michael, On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 11:03:31AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: AFAICS - Standards may be open or closed, but Free software will eventually support them all. I think this is naïve since even though they may be eventually supported, they might not be used at all in business due

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 04:47:23PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Here in Portugal, in the OOXML fake-standard debate, the position of Free Softwar activists has been that it's impossible to fully implement, or might even be downright illegal to do it independently, closed formats. Well,

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 07:09:29PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Here in Portugal, in the OOXML fake-standard debate, the position of Free Softwar activists has been that it's impossible to fully implement, Yes. The spec has 6000 pages, and that isn't even the complete spec, since

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 03:06:45PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Fully irrelevant, since in one case it's mere workload, and in the other case it's double the workload + restricted information + mathmatical and date errors. We need to implement support for the date issue if we want to be

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-18 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:44:40AM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: The problem is that the above url is far from being truthful. You do not have to go too far to find problems with it, starting with the discussion that we were having on this forum regarding the Microsoft OSP patent

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-20 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi, It is my non-lawyer point of view that the Microsoft OSP is absolutely irrelevant and that in the soon to be EU law may actually be a complete red herring, since it may soon be the case that you don't have to be the owner of patents to make the authorites do the enforcement. Also, why do you

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 05:58:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:22 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Also, why do you say the format is open? Can you tell me how Word95 does auto-space ? Can you tell me how ODF lays out paragraphs or does line-breaking

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 03:37:06PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, Also, why do you say the format is open? Can you tell me how Word95 does auto-space ? Can you tell me how ODF lays out paragraphs or does line-breaking or wraps text to shaped embedded objects or ... ?

Re: Regarding OOXML and Microsoft patents

2007-07-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
endorsement ODF. Christian On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 21:34 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 03:37:06PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, Also, why do you say the format is open? Can you tell me how Word95 does auto-space

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-30 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:00:58AM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote: 2) OOX is a file format that is in use, and we will have to interact with it. The opportunity to improve the spec and have MS answer questions and clarify necessary details should not be wasted. Microsoft has done it's very

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 04:18:38PM -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 10:19 +0100, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: I think that The GNOME participating in OOXML lends it a credibility it does not deserve. Joining ECMA TC45 would be like joining of the political party you dislike

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 04:14:11PM -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 08:30 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Nonsese, says you. I had direct access to Microsoft representatives as well, and even a Microsoft expert. Microsoft decided to spend their money and time

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-10-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 03:06:42PM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:30:43AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:56:31PM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 02:55:07PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 30

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 09:32:52AM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: OOXML is going to be the defacto standard whether we like it or not. To pretend otherwise is to deny that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. I'm not so sure... http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Aodt = almost 100.000 hits

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 08:31:20AM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote: Spreadsheets are probably much easier to support, since they have a much more structured data (fixed table spaces, namely). Spoken like a non-spreadsheet user. My experience suggests exactly the opposite. Users are a lot more

Re: OOXML [was Re: GNOME Foundation Board Meeting Minutes :: 7/6/07]

2007-11-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:19:23AM -0400, Jody Goldberg wrote: Option 3 is useful only if we can veto (or organize a veto, or a stall) of the OOXML progress toward being a standard. The current participation is not of that manner. I have a significant problem with the ethics of that.

Re: Who would be a good member? [Was: About the coming election]

2007-11-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 06:35:50PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: what you value about GNOME. To put it in a clunky but simple way, if GNOME is People, vote for the people who are GNOME. Dear god... I didn't know GNOME was made of old people who had assisted death in order to make canned food! Quick,

Re: Candidacy Announcement for the 2007 GNOME Board Election: George Kraft

2007-11-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 09:37:07AM -0600, George Kraft wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 03:23 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 14:45 -0600, George Kraft wrote: Affl: none Bio: http://live.gnome.org/GeorgeKraft Hi George, Great to see you running. So, you are

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-23 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:02:49AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:44:52AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Don't cry about people who criticize the Foundation's unconditional support for OOXML, you're pointing guns at your own feet (and in fact just took another

Re: GNOME Foundation Statement on ECMA TC45-M Participation

2007-11-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 03:16:48AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=jamie I can see MS spinning this to their advantage and I believe playing safe here would be better for us in the short term Thing is, Microsoft haven't spun it to their advantage. They've mentioned that Gnumeric is

Re: two questions for candidates

2007-11-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:04:14PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Microsoft isn't defending OOXML under the terms defined by ISO. So we should be as grubby and corrupt as them? No, we simply shouldn't be lax or complacent with a convicted entity who has

Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hello, One question to candidates: Wil you promote the Foundation's participation on the reviewing of ODF? I'm sure it won't be for lack of a sponsor, but I think it is much more important to the Free Software world to have a true Open Standard for office documents, regardless

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:23:57PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Hello, One question to candidates: Wil you promote the Foundation's participation on the reviewing of ODF? I'm sure it won't

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:37:27PM -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 7:15 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how the foundation can 'make sure' of anything in this instance. It can not force developers towards or away from either spec

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:15:11AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:23:57PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: and I hope

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:03:38PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with great concern. (...) However, making GNOME depend on Mono is running a grave risk, and a grave mistake. If the article accurately describes the situation, I

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:22:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Richard Stallman I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with great concern. Unfortunately, the authors of that website are obstinate in their indifference to the truth, and do not serve the

Re: GNOME dependent on Mono

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:15:34AM +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 20:03 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: I read http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ with great concern. snip usual rant Yelp has had an optional Beagle dependency for at least 2 years. It's

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 05:40:47AM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 08:25:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:09:31PM -0500, Jody Goldberg wrote: If you (or anyone else) is interested talk to the board. That is all it takes

Re: Question to candidates: what about next ODF?

2007-11-30 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:41:24AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Richard Stallman The reason this is not so is that Microsoft is trying to spin the apparent support of GNOME into proof that OOXML is not bad for free software. Microsoft haven't done so publicly thus far, but the risk

Re: Supporting GTK+

2009-10-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 04:10:39AM +, Bruno Pinho wrote: This tutorial about GTK+ is 100% translated to portuguese. What do you think? Can I offer it to my friends so they can study? thanks, Hi Bruno, It seems to be a Standard Portuguese translation, am I right? I just skimmed the first

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 11-12-2009 18:20, Brian Cameron escreveu: If there is enough people to do a vote, that's great. My vote: -1 I do not think that people should be discouraged from suggesting rules for the GNOME community, and a reaction like leaving the GNU community because Richard made a suggestion could

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 12-12-2009 11:31, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 09:51 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I have a personal blog and when I asked planet.openmoko.org to add my posts, I gave them the RSS feed corresponding to posts under the tag OpenMoko. Perhaps it would be a simpler

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology of free choice. Choice of the master is not free choice for a slave. It only looks like free choice to other

Re: foundation-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13

2009-12-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 14-12-2009 00:26, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:34 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 13-12-2009 12:44, Philip Van Hoof escreveu: Richard's claim that proprietary is illegitimate is enforcement. He's making a philosophic mistake that contradicts his own ideology

Re: GNOME: lack of strategic roadmap

2010-02-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 24-02-2010 10:16, Dave Neary escreveu: Richard Stallman wrote: Software freedom is a means to furthering our vision of providing technology to all, regardless of means, physical and technical capability or culture. Freedom can lead to more available technology, but it is vital