Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-27 Thread Koen Martens
Hi,

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 08:46:05PM +0100, Andy Wingo wrote:
 On Tue 26 Jan 2010 15:07, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org writes:
  Andy Wingo wrote:
  So inspired by Vincent's recent mail, let this be a mini-proposal for
  GHM co-location with the 2011 GUADEC. The ideal needs would be one
  smallish (40-50 people) room for three days. GHM events have had some
  funding attached to them in the past, enough to support them; while of
  course I can't predict the future, GNU probably could help support costs
  of the venue, when the time comes to discuss that.
 
  Let me just confirm that that is not a typo - this is for 2011 yes, not
  2010?
 
 That was the intention, yes. I figured it was too late to talk about
 2010, but if GUADEC organizers are interested we could probably do
 something.

Well, it's not really to late for that, and it'd be a cool addition to
the conference I think.

Gr,

Koen (guadec 2010 organizer)
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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-27 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Alberto Ruiz wrote:
 Dave is worried about any overhead that co-locating this could have
 with the organizing committee and the volunteers, what would GNU need
 in terms of resources, space, inftrastructure? how big could it be?
 That sort of stuff :-)

Actually, I was worried (let me see if I can say this right) if aligning
with GUADEC would be attractive to GNU developers, but that aligning
with Akademy might not appeal. Given that a colocated conference would
already be hosting 800 people plus, I don't think an extra 30 or 40
would be a big deal in organisational overhead.

And Andy, for 2010, it's probably not too late, if you get a request in
quick :) The only thing is that adding extra space for the week would
probably have an impact on the budget at this stage, which we'd have to
think about.

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-27 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Andrew Cowie wrote:
 Oh? Internet access. Did we need that?

I am increasingly thinking that being excessively connected virtually is
blurring the lines with the real physical connections we have in our
lives, which are objectively better than virtual connections. I now
regularly have completely disconnected weekends, evenings and holidays,
and I feel better for it.

I'd love to see us run a retreat for GNOME with no internet connection 
see what happened. ISTR an Ubuntu developer meeting had no internet
once, and the day went so well that it was suggested there should be a
no-internet retreat day every year. Don't know what happened to that idea.

Anyway - I for one would love to see us gather together someplace with
no cellular coverage, no internet access, living in tents, and everyone
bring lots of paper, markers and pens, and see what happens. Bet it'd be
a success. We could call it Get a First Life Camp in honour of the
most excellent (and apparently no longer online)
http://www.getafirstlife.com

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-27 Thread Andy Wingo
On Wed 27 Jan 2010 12:08, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org writes:

 And Andy, for 2010, it's probably not too late, if you get a request in
 quick :) The only thing is that adding extra space for the week would
 probably have an impact on the budget at this stage, which we'd have to
 think about.

OK, will poke GNU people, and get back within the week if we think we
can pull it off.

A
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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Andy,

Andy Wingo wrote:
 So inspired by Vincent's recent mail, let this be a mini-proposal for
 GHM co-location with the 2011 GUADEC. The ideal needs would be one
 smallish (40-50 people) room for three days. GHM events have had some
 funding attached to them in the past, enough to support them; while of
 course I can't predict the future, GNU probably could help support costs
 of the venue, when the time comes to discuss that.

Let me just confirm that that is not a typo - this is for 2011 yes, not
2010?

If GUADEC and Akademy colocate again in 2011, do you think that might
have an impact on the GHM?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi Dave,

On Tue 26 Jan 2010 15:07, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org writes:

 Hi Andy,

 Andy Wingo wrote:
 So inspired by Vincent's recent mail, let this be a mini-proposal for
 GHM co-location with the 2011 GUADEC. The ideal needs would be one
 smallish (40-50 people) room for three days. GHM events have had some
 funding attached to them in the past, enough to support them; while of
 course I can't predict the future, GNU probably could help support costs
 of the venue, when the time comes to discuss that.

 Let me just confirm that that is not a typo - this is for 2011 yes, not
 2010?

That was the intention, yes. I figured it was too late to talk about
2010, but if GUADEC organizers are interested we could probably do
something.

 If GUADEC and Akademy colocate again in 2011, do you think that might
 have an impact on the GHM?

It would probably make it more awesome! There are a number of KDE-using
GNU folk. There are GNOME people too, of course :)

Regards,

Andy
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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2010/1/26 Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com:
 Hi Dave,


Hi Andy,

 If GUADEC and Akademy colocate again in 2011, do you think that might
 have an impact on the GHM?

 It would probably make it more awesome! There are a number of KDE-using
 GNU folk. There are GNOME people too, of course :)

That doesn't really answers the question :P

Dave is worried about any overhead that co-locating this could have
with the organizing committee and the volunteers, what would GNU need
in terms of resources, space, inftrastructure? how big could it be?
That sort of stuff :-)

 Regards,

 Andy
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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi Alberto,

On Tue 26 Jan 2010 21:07, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org writes:

 2010/1/26 Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com:

[Dave Neary wrote]
 If GUADEC and Akademy colocate again in 2011, do you think that might
 have an impact on the GHM?

 It would probably make it more awesome! There are a number of KDE-using
 GNU folk. There are GNOME people too, of course :)

 That doesn't really answers the question :P

Hm, we enter the realm of interpretation :)

 Dave is worried about any overhead that co-locating this could have
 with the organizing committee and the volunteers, what would GNU need
 in terms of resources, space, inftrastructure? how big could it be?
 That sort of stuff :-)

Is there something that my original message didn't make clear? :)

Resources: GHM has had low budgets in the past, due to reuse of venue,
and sponsorship from various organizations (FSF and FSFE, to name recent
examples)

Space: As mentioned in my original mail, ideally one room of 40-50
people for three days. Could be before/after the main GUADEC days.

Infrastructure: Normal infrastructure associated with a room: projector
or screen of some sort, and ideally internet though that is not
essential, and we all know how conferences work in the end... (/me
thinks of Vilanova)

Cheers,

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Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Brian Gough
At Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:27:57 +0100,
Andy Wingo wrote:
 So inspired by Vincent's recent mail, let this be a mini-proposal for
 GHM co-location with the 2011 GUADEC. The ideal needs would be one
 smallish (40-50 people) room for three days. GHM events have had some
 funding attached to them in the past, enough to support them; while of
 course I can't predict the future, GNU probably could help support costs
 of the venue, when the time comes to discuss that.

From the GNU side, it is definitely useful to colocate with another
event.  So if it is possible to do that at GUADEC in the future I
think it would be a good thing.

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Brian Gough
(former GHM organiser)
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Re: GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-26 Thread Lefty (石鏡 )
On 1/26/10 4:56 PM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 21:43 +0100, Andy Wingo wrote:

 (/me thinks of Vilanova)
 
 Which was a bloody awesome GUADEC, in no small measure because of the
 Ice Cream shop, and fluendo's Beach Party.

They're _all_ awesome, but yes. That.

 Oh? Internet access. Did we need that?

The first day or so at Birmingham, we all got onto the Internet using one
attendee's Nokia S60 phone, which he turned into a WiFi access point

I'm not sure which is more frightening: that we did it, or that we _could_.


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GNU hackers meeting GUADEC 2011 colocation?

2010-01-25 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi all,

At November's GNU Hackers Meeting in Gothenburg, there was some interest
expressed in increasing communication between GNU hackers and GNOME
hackers. Co-locating a GNU Hackers Meeting with GUADEC would be a great
way to do this.

GHM events have in the past been pretty small -- about 25 people or so.
See http://www.gnu.org/ghm/ for info about past schedules.

So inspired by Vincent's recent mail, let this be a mini-proposal for
GHM co-location with the 2011 GUADEC. The ideal needs would be one
smallish (40-50 people) room for three days. GHM events have had some
funding attached to them in the past, enough to support them; while of
course I can't predict the future, GNU probably could help support costs
of the venue, when the time comes to discuss that.

I have copied the GNU internal list on this mail. Unfortunately GNU has
no public lists for internal discussion -- a bit odd, but that's how it
is. So I've also set the reply-to to foundation-list; perhaps we (both
groups) can thread discussion there?

Cheers,

Andy
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