Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Hi Bastien et al, I'm sorry for the late reply but I wanted to take the time to clarify my vision. Having an honest experience in the proprietary software world, I observed that having official support was a requirement for any technological choices. As such, choosing a product from a given company was always seen as a safe choice. Companies feel more safe when there is this official support available and pay a lot of money for that. One huge problem of free software in the commercial world is that people think that there's no support for it. Richard pointed out that the FSF maintain a list of commercial providers, and I think that this is the reason: to show that Free Software is a good product with commercial support. As Martyn said, we have at least one record of one company switching away from GTK+ because of the lack of perceived support. I believe that it should be part of the work of the foundation to promote GNOME and every GNOME technology as a viable, high-quality, commercially supported solution. This seems to be confirmed by this quotes on the foundation.gnome.org main page: The Foundation will act as an official voice for the GNOME project, providing a means of communication with the press and with commercial and noncommercial organizations interested in GNOME software. Improving the promotion of GNOME as a commercial solution will led to more people looking support for GNOME and more money invested in the GNOME economy in general. In the end, a lot of features, bugfixes or even new products are in fact paid by customers which benefit to the whole community. I could give you some examples that I'm currently witnessing but I don't want to use this thread as an advertising channel. I believe that there are a lot of potential customers waiting around the corner. There is way more than Nokia. A lot of small companies want to use GNOME technologies for a niche product and need some kind of support. Improving the GNOME market would mean the creation of new GNOME companies, it would means allowing some GNOME hackers to be paid full time instead of doing a Windows IT job during their 9-17 shift. As a result, the quality of GNOME will also be improved. Improving the situation would be a benefit for everybody. But improving the situation is not only about adding a webpage. It's really about adding a new paradigm to the GNOME foundation. The GNOME foundation should act as the owner of a commercially supported product. This is of course huge and I don't think it would be achievable in one year. But, if elected, I would like to achieve at least the first steps in that direction. Le lundi 23 mai 2011 à 12:02 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : Definitely, in fact, that's exactly what I discussed with Martyn on foundation-list a couple of weeks ago. I hope I convinced you that it was not only about a webpage. But think that the communication about commercial support is only the tip of the iceberg, that there is often small issues or misunderstanding. What sort of problems do you expect to see? I'm pretty unclear on what small issues or misunderstanding you would see. Bad wording from my parts. Let's state it this way: the GNOME foundation is currently acting as a the owner of a Free Software product. Which is fine but, IMHO, could be better. I believe that the GNOME foundation should act more as the owner of a commercial grade free software product. The fact that it's free software and that there are multiple companies is a strength : + more competitive market (cheaper price for the customer) + no vendor lock-in + more flexible solutions None of those strengths are particularly visible. On the opposite, people think that their is no support at all. It is not only about having a page that list the commercial support companies. It's more about a deep collaboration between the foundation and the companies that live from GNOME. I personally don't think that the Foundation needs to be involved in setting this up. Rubber-stamping this, certainly, but I don't think that those companies that offer services need the Board to be involved to make changes to the GNOME website. I hope that I explained it better this time. And for such deep collaboration to be optimal, the board is the best place. - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? I think that the board should represent the community. As I said in my previous mail, I believe that the community is mainly composed of independents, big companies with GNOME products and small companies with GNOME services. Thus, I believe that the board should be a fair mix of people from those different backgrounds. I especially happy to see the candidacy of Diego, Ryan and Andre regarding that. I would argue that the Board doesn't need to match the represention of the community, but needs to represent the
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 15:19 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: Hi Bastien et al, I'm sorry for the late reply but I wanted to take the time to clarify my vision. snip But improving the situation is not only about adding a webpage. It's really about adding a new paradigm to the GNOME foundation. The GNOME foundation should act as the owner of a commercially supported product. This is of course huge and I don't think it would be achievable in one year. But, if elected, I would like to achieve at least the first steps in that direction. Could you explain what concrete plans you have? Are you thinking that the GNOME Foundation should take care of distributing bids from customers to its ecosystem? You seem to have a set plan, but we don't know any of the details for it, which makes it a bit hard to judge. Le lundi 23 mai 2011 à 12:02 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : Definitely, in fact, that's exactly what I discussed with Martyn on foundation-list a couple of weeks ago. I hope I convinced you that it was not only about a webpage. No, but starting work on the webpage would certainly be a good start :) Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le lundi 23 mai 2011 à 08:45 -0500, Paul Cutler a écrit : On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: [snip] Given the board represent the foundation at the highest level, why shouldn't they be (more?) involved in commercialisation of GNOME? Just a quick note, but I believe the Board supports all of these ideas. But none of these tasks require the Board's intervention - the community could get all of this done if they chose to (just as the Board could too). There is nothing stopping a community member from proposing this (probably best on the Marketing list) and getting it done. I think these are all fantastic ideas. I think having a Board member who owns this could help push it a bit more, but there is absolutely no reason we can't be working on this right now. Hi Paul, I think that nearly everything can be done without being on the board. This argument could be given to nearly any proposal. Supporting the GNOME ecosystem is not only a one-time job like doing a webpage. It's a day-to-day job which might involves building some kind of infrastructure (like a commercial support oriented mailing-list, seminars during GUADEC, commercial cooperative promotions, etc). All of this *could* be done without being on the board. But if it was so easy, why would a board be needed at all? And what would be the legitimacy of those initiatives? If I'm elected, this would be a clear signal from the community that the foundation should go the way I propose it. That's why I really want to insist that I don't want to represent Lanedo bul all GNOME companies and entrepreneurs. Lionel ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le mercredi 25 mai 2011 à 14:34 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 15:19 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: [snip] Could you explain what concrete plans you have? Are you thinking that the GNOME Foundation should take care of distributing bids from customers to its ecosystem? You seem to have a set plan, but we don't know any of the details for it, which makes it a bit hard to judge. I have a lot of ideas. Some are well defined, others are just sparks that need to grow ;-) Examples includes: common mailing-list for commercial support providers, seminars during summit, helping entrepreneurs to launch their GNOME startup (with advices, contacts with investors, potential customers), coordinating some cooperative event/happenings like commercial advertising. There's a lot that could be done. But, before deciding to stand for election, I took the time to talk with some board members. They all said that being on the board is a difficult, time-consuming job. If I'm elected, it will be my first year on the board and I need to learn. I don't want to sound arrogant or too optimistic. I want to keep in mind small achievable objectives. One of them is the webpage. But I hope that this webpage will only be a start for more other things, that could be carried upon by futur board members. Lionel ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 à 23:44 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit : At Lanedo, we have been surprised a few times by people who were thinking that there was no commercial support available for GTK+. It would make good sense for GNOME to have a list of commercial service providers. It should have stated rules of good conduct and list anyone who agrees to the rules. That's indeed something I have in mind. The difficulty is to find the balance between information and advertising but we will definitely work on it :-) The FSF's service list rules say that the service provider must not make an unsollicted offer, to people contacting it through the list, of service on any proprietary software. That would anyway be a bit silly. If someone want support for Firefox and he receives offer about Opera, he would not be interested anyway. But it might make sense to state that rule explicitly. I will have a look to see how things are handled on the FSF side, thanks for the idea. Lionel ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 09:29 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: Le lundi 23 mai 2011 à 00:14 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit : It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. Two questions on this: Good questions, I knew it would happen after I re-read my previous answer ;-) - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself? It would be possible to work on that without being on the board. I considered that option and I will definitely do if I'm not elected. Definitely, in fact, that's exactly what I discussed with Martyn on foundation-list a couple of weeks ago. But think that the communication about commercial support is only the tip of the iceberg, that there is often small issues or misunderstanding. What sort of problems do you expect to see? I'm pretty unclear on what small issues or misunderstanding you would see. It is not only about having a page that list the commercial support companies. It's more about a deep collaboration between the foundation and the companies that live from GNOME. I personally don't think that the Foundation needs to be involved in setting this up. Rubber-stamping this, certainly, but I don't think that those companies that offer services need the Board to be involved to make changes to the GNOME website. And for such deep collaboration to be optimal, the board is the best place. - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? I think that the board should represent the community. As I said in my previous mail, I believe that the community is mainly composed of independents, big companies with GNOME products and small companies with GNOME services. Thus, I believe that the board should be a fair mix of people from those different backgrounds. I especially happy to see the candidacy of Diego, Ryan and Andre regarding that. I would argue that the Board doesn't need to match the represention of the community, but needs to represent the community at large. Otherwise we would have a different voting system. Bringing your knowledge of a certain subject to the Board is certainly a good thing, but I don't think a person needs to work for a consultancy to be able to represent consultancies effectively, for example. Of course, people might disagree with this vision of the board. That's why we have elections ;-) I hope to have answered your questions. Lionel PS: part of my hidden agenda is to impose French as the official language. I already started the trend by never pronouncing the H (like in it appens or having a new CSS team for your desktop. What? Ah, a theme!) I'm going for cockney rhyming slang. PPS: where should I send the icecream to make you stop asking questions? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On 23/05/11 12:02, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 09:29 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: It is not only about having a page that list the commercial support companies. It's more about a deep collaboration between the foundation and the companies that live from GNOME. I personally don't think that the Foundation needs to be involved in setting this up. Rubber-stamping this, certainly, but I don't think that those companies that offer services need the Board to be involved to make changes to the GNOME website. Isn't that part of the problem? If the foundation isn't behind this, won't it seem completely self indulgent on behalf of businesses alone? What I personally would like to see is much more backing from the foundation. E.g. - A web page - A banner at the next desktop summit - Something in the booklets given out at the next summit perhaps? - Some PR occasionally about how well projects are doing ... etc Given the board represent the foundation at the highest level, why shouldn't they be (more?) involved in commercialisation of GNOME? And for such deep collaboration to be optimal, the board is the best place. - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? I think that the board should represent the community. As I said in my previous mail, I believe that the community is mainly composed of independents, big companies with GNOME products and small companies with GNOME services. Thus, I believe that the board should be a fair mix of people from those different backgrounds. I especially happy to see the candidacy of Diego, Ryan and Andre regarding that. I would argue that the Board doesn't need to match the represention of the community, but needs to represent the community at large. Otherwise we would have a different voting system. I would argue that you best represent the community at large by having members from that community on the board and from all spectrums therein. Bringing your knowledge of a certain subject to the Board is certainly a good thing, but I don't think a person needs to work for a consultancy to be able to represent consultancies effectively, for example. I think it is harder to communicate such things unless you're in a position (like being on the board). PS: part of my hidden agenda is to impose French as the official language. I already started the trend by never pronouncing the H (like in it appens or having a new CSS team for your desktop. What? Ah, a theme!) I'm going for cockney rhyming slang. +1 :) -- Regards, Martyn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: Isn't that part of the problem? If the foundation isn't behind this, won't it seem completely self indulgent on behalf of businesses alone? What I personally would like to see is much more backing from the foundation. E.g. - A web page - A banner at the next desktop summit - Something in the booklets given out at the next summit perhaps? - Some PR occasionally about how well projects are doing ... etc Given the board represent the foundation at the highest level, why shouldn't they be (more?) involved in commercialisation of GNOME? Just a quick note, but I believe the Board supports all of these ideas. But none of these tasks require the Board's intervention - the community could get all of this done if they chose to (just as the Board could too). There is nothing stopping a community member from proposing this (probably best on the Marketing list) and getting it done. I think these are all fantastic ideas. I think having a Board member who owns this could help push it a bit more, but there is absolutely no reason we can't be working on this right now. Paul ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com a écrit: On 23/05/11 12:02, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 09:29 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: It is not only about having a page that list the commercial support companies. It's more about a deep collaboration between the foundation and the companies that live from GNOME. I personally don't think that the Foundation needs to be involved in setting this up. Rubber-stamping this, certainly, but I don't think that those companies that offer services need the Board to be involved to make changes to the GNOME website. Isn't that part of the problem? If the foundation isn't behind this, won't it seem completely self indulgent on behalf of businesses alone? Why would that be any different from the general scheme of a given company doing its own marketing? Do people necessarily think that a company is self indulgent when it does its own marketing? What I personally would like to see is much more backing from the foundation. E.g. - A web page - A banner at the next desktop summit - Something in the booklets given out at the next summit perhaps? - Some PR occasionally about how well projects are doing ... etc Seriously, if these companies are really serious about this and if economy of scale is amongst what you are looking for, why not start something like a GNOME Business Alliance then? That would be focused on pushing those business related things, experiment with various innovative communication approaches etc. At least, that would be a known entry point for anything business related. And when enough experiment and data is gathered, if merging that alliance back into the Foundation makes sense, then so be it. -- Dodji ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On 23/05/11 15:28, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com a écrit: On 23/05/11 12:02, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 09:29 +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: It is not only about having a page that list the commercial support companies. It's more about a deep collaboration between the foundation and the companies that live from GNOME. I personally don't think that the Foundation needs to be involved in setting this up. Rubber-stamping this, certainly, but I don't think that those companies that offer services need the Board to be involved to make changes to the GNOME website. Isn't that part of the problem? If the foundation isn't behind this, won't it seem completely self indulgent on behalf of businesses alone? Why would that be any different from the general scheme of a given company doing its own marketing? Because you're officially endorsed by the foundation and that's a 3rd party which isn't directly the corporation and has the interests of GNOME at heart, not the company. To potential clients, the difference is quite important. Do people necessarily think that a company is self indulgent when it does its own marketing? I do. There's nothing to stop a company selling services where they have no expertise through good marketing (for example). This (IMO) hurts customers and in the ends affects the projects related. What I personally would like to see is much more backing from the foundation. E.g. - A web page - A banner at the next desktop summit - Something in the booklets given out at the next summit perhaps? - Some PR occasionally about how well projects are doing ... etc Seriously, if these companies are really serious about this and if economy of scale is amongst what you are looking for, why not start something like a GNOME Business Alliance then? That would be focused on pushing those business related things, experiment with various innovative communication approaches etc. At least, that would be a known entry point for anything business related. And when enough experiment and data is gathered, if merging that alliance back into the Foundation makes sense, then so be it. Right, that's the sort of thing I would love to see. But don't you think it makes sense to have this backed and instantiated by the foundation? -- Regards, Martyn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On 23/05/11 15:08, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com a écrit: That's always needed too of course, but when you have potential customers asking who can provide support for projects X, Y and Z, do you really want to be in a position where you have no answer? Oh, you mean when a potential customer comes to the /Foundation Board/, asking that question? Indeed. I didn't understand it that way. Sorry to ask a question as a reply, No problem at all ;) but does that happen already? If yes, how did the board handle it so far? Yes, I believe so, perhaps Vincent can best comment here. IMO it also means the customer may suffer because they either can't find the support they're looking for or the wrong support from someone else. We are a non-profit organisation with limited resources. Communicating around the commercial offering of /one/ company can be a non-straightforward exercise, when you want to do it right. Even more for the commercial offerings of /several/ companies. Do we really want to take that route? Yes I believe we do, when people are choosing opposing toolkits because it appears as if GTK+ has no commercial support, that's a lack of communication IMO. Let's talk about specifics. Did the clients choose e.g, Qt because KDE e.V markets Trolltech's offerings or, do they do so because Trolltech is better at communicating? Well, the situation is different there in the sense that there is already a company behind Qt for customers to go to. There are many behind GTK+ and no one place to go to. This is part of the issue IMO. From what I heard recently, a customer did choose Qt for these sort of reasons (from recent board notes): Johannes Schmid informed the board that at the Toronto hackfest that they discussed about an organization that decided to use Qt instead of GTK+ mainly because they were able to get a support contract for Qt. You could also say they do a better job of communicating yes, as a minimum they have a website to help people find what they're looking for: http://qt.nokia.com/partners and more specifically: http://qt.nokia.com/partners/partner-locator What are your concerns about communicating GNOME's commercial offerings? My concern is that we'd try to address a real issue at a wrong level and, incidentally, turning what should be a place to set and nurture a vendor-neutral level playing field into a place uselessly cluttered by vendors' ads. Ah I see. That indeed would be horrid. I think the links above illustrate how it would be better than what we have now. I guess if what you want is just to maintain a web page of companies who have something to sell around our stack, I wouldn't have much concern. But then I am not sure you need to be on the board for that. Well, because companies (from what I have seen last GUADEC) come to the board members about working with GNOME technologies (Vincent can comment here I believe). Of course I assume you mean well. I am just not convinced about the efficiency of for-profit entities delegating their marketing to non-profits. I can understand that and we certainly mean well. It's really born out of frustration when seeing companies move away from projects we have deep involvement in to others by reasons of poor communication (as I see it). -- Regards, Martyn ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Hi, Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 15:55 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : On 23/05/11 15:08, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com a écrit: That's always needed too of course, but when you have potential customers asking who can provide support for projects X, Y and Z, do you really want to be in a position where you have no answer? Oh, you mean when a potential customer comes to the /Foundation Board/, asking that question? Indeed. I didn't understand it that way. Sorry to ask a question as a reply, No problem at all ;) but does that happen already? If yes, how did the board handle it so far? Yes, I believe so, perhaps Vincent can best comment here. While the companies we talk to usually have evaluated the GNOME world and know about companies like Collabora, Codethink, Igalia, Lanedo, etc., it can happen that the board gets contacted to introduce people. FWIW, the two specific examples I remember are: - at FOSDEM, someone from a company I forgot discussed multitouch with me while I was on the booth and was wondering about multitouch support in GTK+ and who to contact for that. The fact that I was on the board was not really relevant, though -- I just happened to be on the booth, really. - at GUADEC, someone wanted to meet the Lanedo people and came to me to make that happen, because I was on the board (well, okay, I wasn't anymore since I had just left, but you get the point :-)). In that case, the person already knew Lanedo. When Stormy was ED, she might have been contacted for that kind of things too. So I wouldn't say it happens very often, but it does happen every now and then. That being said, the issue is not what do we do when potential customers come and ask us? (we can easily redirect them to all the companies in our ecosystem), but how do we make sure potential customers don't believe there is no ecosystem to help them?. And for that, a webpage is a good start, I think. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:00:45AM +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: I want to achieve to make obvious to anybody that all the GNOME technologies (including GTK+) are technologies adapted to a commercial product and that high quality commercial support exist for them. I hope this will help GNOME to become a flourishing market and a source of job opportunities for many hackers. Just wondering: Do you think there is something lacking in the current board? Or is running for the board more about that having a contact in the board is better to ensure the current state (option for commercial support + importance of small companies) is more obvious? -- Regards, Olav ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le dimanche 22 mai 2011 à 22:23 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:00:45AM +0200, Lionel Dricot wrote: I want to achieve to make obvious to anybody that all the GNOME technologies (including GTK+) are technologies adapted to a commercial product and that high quality commercial support exist for them. I hope this will help GNOME to become a flourishing market and a source of job opportunities for many hackers. Just wondering: Do you think there is something lacking in the current board? Or is running for the board more about that having a contact in the board is better to ensure the current state (option for commercial support + importance of small companies) is more obvious? At Lanedo, we have been surprised a few times by people who were thinking that there was no commercial support available for GTK+. We have heard of companies switching to Qt because Qt was guaranteed by a company. Things like that clearly show a lack of communication and a problem of image. Is it the GNOME foundation job to address this kind of issue? I think yes. My opinion is that the GNOME foundation could be a good place to develop even more the business ecosystem around GNOME, that there is a market and that there is a lack of communication regarding the existing companies. If you want support for GNOME related technologies, there's no easy place to go to have an idea on the current situation. Thus, people jump to the conclusion: there's no commercial support for GNOME technologies. Is the current board doing its job wrong? Not at all! It was simply not part of the board mission. A lot of board members come from big companies that *use* GNOME. They never promised to work for small GNOME companies. It is not really in their interest. It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. So, the answer is yes, something is currently lacking on the board but no, it's not the board fault. Did I answer your question? Lionel ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit : It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. Two questions on this: - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself? - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 00:14 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit : It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. Two questions on this: - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself? - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? Sorry for the second mail, but I wanted to clarify that I'm not implying you should not run for the board :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
At Lanedo, we have been surprised a few times by people who were thinking that there was no commercial support available for GTK+. It would make good sense for GNOME to have a list of commercial service providers. It should have stated rules of good conduct and list anyone who agrees to the rules. The FSF's service list rules say that the service provider must not make an unsollicted offer, to people contacting it through the list, of service on any proprietary software. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
