Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Bastian Ilso]

Hi,


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:13 , James  wrote:

[..]
I think this video does a great job of showing that
entirely Free Software can produce professional videos (and it also
highlights our great software too!).


As editor of those videos it makes me really happy to hear your 
thoughts James! Every cycle the GNOME community advances the free 
desktop and I think creating extra awareness around our efforts is 
really important in the distracted days of social media.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:00 , Juan Pablo  
wrote:

Behind those awesome videos is Bastian Ilso and blender!


Yup! With Karen and Mike doing the professional voice-over and 
translation team for professional subtitles. :)



About the distribution line, the original idea was that it should show 
the distros in the next coming months chronologically. Then that 
slipped (collecting that information took longer than anticipated) so I 
resorted to listing the distros here:


https://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/

I do see Ubuntu GNOME there, I'll make sure to list it in coming 
releases.



-Bastian

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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Misha Shnurapet]

It would be nice to mention one truly free distribution in the video since
GNOME itself is such.


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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Behdad Esfahbod]

On Mar 28, 2016 9:20 AM, "Michael Catanzaro"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2016-03-27 at 07:53 +, Florian Müllner wrote:
> > Distributions appear in the video in the order of when 3.20 is
> > expected to
> > be included in the distribution.
>
> It's hard to believe that's what's intended. If so, it's very wrong.
> The order depicted in the video is:
>
> Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE
>
> which is correct under no interpretation I can think of.

Alphabetic.

> How could
> Debian possibly be depicted prior to Fedora? If we are counting stable
> distros, then Debian should be towards the end of the list, after even
> Ubuntu. Same for openSUSE:
>
> Arch (April) -> Fedora (June) -> (Ubuntu, October) -> openSUSE?
> (November?) -> Debian (2017) -> openSUSE? (November 2017?)
>
> I do not know where openSUSE goes in relation to Debian, because they
> have the new enterprise base thing going on, and I am not sure what
> their GNOME plans are for the next release. If they release in November
> with GNOME 3.20, then they belong in front of Debian; if they release
> with 3.18 or perhaps 3.16 again, then they belong behind Debian.
>
> Now, if we are counting unstable distros (which I do not think we
> should do), then the order would be:
>
> Fedora rawhide (immediate) -> Arch Gnome-Unstable (already has it) ->
> openSUSE Tumbleweed (probably early April) -> Debian sid (probably this
> spring) -> Ubuntu (probably this summer)
>
> I don't see any way that Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE could
> possibly be interpreted as the correct order, if that graphic is really
> intended to signify the real order.
>
> Michael
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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Sun, 2016-03-27 at 07:53 +, Florian Müllner wrote:
> Distributions appear in the video in the order of when 3.20 is
> expected to
> be included in the distribution.

It's hard to believe that's what's intended. If so, it's very wrong.
The order depicted in the video is:

Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE

which is correct under no interpretation I can think of. How could
Debian possibly be depicted prior to Fedora? If we are counting stable
distros, then Debian should be towards the end of the list, after even
Ubuntu. Same for openSUSE:

Arch (April) -> Fedora (June) -> (Ubuntu, October) -> openSUSE?
(November?) -> Debian (2017) -> openSUSE? (November 2017?)

I do not know where openSUSE goes in relation to Debian, because they
have the new enterprise base thing going on, and I am not sure what
their GNOME plans are for the next release. If they release in November
with GNOME 3.20, then they belong in front of Debian; if they release
with 3.18 or perhaps 3.16 again, then they belong behind Debian.

Now, if we are counting unstable distros (which I do not think we
should do), then the order would be:

Fedora rawhide (immediate) -> Arch Gnome-Unstable (already has it) ->
openSUSE Tumbleweed (probably early April) -> Debian sid (probably this
spring) -> Ubuntu (probably this summer)

I don't see any way that Arch -> Debian -> Fedora -> openSUSE could
possibly be interpreted as the correct order, if that graphic is really
intended to signify the real order.

Michael
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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Richard Stallman]

Which distros are in the video?  I'm concerned that most or all of
them may be nonfree distros (see gnu.org/distros) and that the effect
may beto praise and promote them at the expense of the free distros.

(For this reason, the absence of Ubuntu is a good thing in my view.)

Are any free distros mentioned?

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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Florian Müllner]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016, 01:32 Ali/amjjawad,  wrote:

>
> One note though: why Ubuntu was not included with the other distributions
> on time 1 minutes and 30 seconds from that video?
>


Distributions appear in the video in the order of when 3.20 is expected to
be included in the distribution. For Ubuntu GNOME, that will be only after
3.22 is released - calling that "providing 3.20 soon" would be quite a
stretch ...

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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Ali/amjjawad]

Hi everyone,


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:13 AM, James  wrote:

> I'm a long time GNOME user, but I just wanted to say, that I've been
> watching these GNOME release videos [1], and I think they're really
> well done and very professional.


+1



> In particular, they embody a
> principle which I'd like to remind folks of: software freedom is
> important, but it's also important that our software is _better_! This
> is one of the things that I strive for when contributing to Free
> Software, and I think this video does a great job of showing that
> entirely Free Software can produce professional videos (and it also
> highlights our great software too!).
>

+1


>
> Thanks to whoever was involved.
>
>
I second that :)


> Cheers,
> James
> @purpleidea
>
> [1] Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2f_jkPRq4 and the other ones
> before it.
>


One note though: why Ubuntu was not included with the other distributions
on time 1 minutes and 30 seconds from that video?

As I've contributed to Ubuntu GNOME for 3 years, myself and the entire
Ubuntu GNOME community will be very happy to see Ubuntu among the rest of
the distributions that video has mentioned :)



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Very good video, keep them coming ;)

Thank you!

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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Alexandre Franke]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Juan Pablo  wrote:
> Behind those awesome videos is Bastian Ilso and blender!

Indeed and you can learn more about them at
http://videos.guadec.org/2015/Behind%20the%20Release%20Videos/

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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Juan Pablo]

Behind those awesome videos is Bastian Ilso and blender!

> On 23/03/2016, at 22:26, Misha Shnurapet  wrote:
> 
> Good call, James!
> 
> I would like to know what software was used in production.
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, James  wrote:
>> I'm a long time GNOME user, but I just wanted to say, that I've been
>> watching these GNOME release videos [1], and I think they're really
>> well done and very professional. In particular, they embody a
>> principle which I'd like to remind folks of: software freedom is
>> important, but it's also important that our software is _better_! This
>> is one of the things that I strive for when contributing to Free
>> Software, and I think this video does a great job of showing that
>> entirely Free Software can produce professional videos (and it also
>> highlights our great software too!).
>> 
>> Thanks to whoever was involved.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> James
>> @purpleidea
>> 
>> [1] Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2f_jkPRq4 and the other ones
>> before it.
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Re: Really professional GNOME videos

[Misha Shnurapet]

Good call, James!

I would like to know what software was used in production.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM, James  wrote:

> I'm a long time GNOME user, but I just wanted to say, that I've been
> watching these GNOME release videos [1], and I think they're really
> well done and very professional. In particular, they embody a
> principle which I'd like to remind folks of: software freedom is
> important, but it's also important that our software is _better_! This
> is one of the things that I strive for when contributing to Free
> Software, and I think this video does a great job of showing that
> entirely Free Software can produce professional videos (and it also
> highlights our great software too!).
>
> Thanks to whoever was involved.
>
> Cheers,
> James
> @purpleidea
>
> [1] Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2f_jkPRq4 and the other ones
> before it.
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