Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 22:42 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > . Do you see any value in > keeping those URLs around even if they're historical and not relevant > since several years? There's intertwined questions here... * the old URLs should continue to resolve to useful resources, even if they are not the resources [1]. Don't break links. * the old project information may have historical value, and there may well be people still using the old versions of the software. “Not relavant” depends on context. But maybe they the files are accessible through archive.org. * there's information about each of the projects on the main "ancient" project-old cover page which is not duplicated on the newest pages; it's probably out of date, but adding the information to the page listing all the projects would surely be a large benefit. So i'd say, wait until you hear from the engagement team about plans to automate the list of projects (or whatever), and then put HTTP redirects in place, or a script that tries to find the best match, or redirect them all to a page that says they've gone away, says how to find both the newest versions and maybe also suggests how to find the old source code. Even that projects-old page wasn't complete in that it dropped some gnome 1 projects, and the world didn't end :) so i'm not saying keep everything around forever, and i'm glad you sent mail asking for comments. i've probably used more of your time than it's worth, now :) thanks for replying. Liam (ankh) > -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave whipped with warm noodles. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
Liam, thanks for your comments, an additional note: this is actually NOT the old page as in theory whenever we'll have a new way of handling projects views the former (and to be considered old) website is going to be [1]. In 2013 we migrated several of those links to what projects.gnome.org is today and left projects-old un-maintained (individual maintainers were taking care of maintaining their own projects) which led to multiple of those links to become obsolete / historical (pre 2010) / not relevant anymore. Do you see any value in keeping those URLs around even if they're historical and not relevant since several years? cheers, [1] https://projects.gnome.org Il giorno gio 6 dic 2018 alle ore 22:23 Liam R E Quin ha scritto: > > On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 12:31 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > > Liam, > > > > no, I really meant projects-old.gnome.org which as I described on my > > original e-mail was the pre-2013 projects page we had running before > > transitioning to the new wiki.g.o based projects listing. > > Yes, i understood that. Sorry if i wasn't clear. > > > I believe the engagement team was looking > > into possible new ways to unify projects listing into one single > > view, not sure what's the status there though. > > Then i'd suggest holding off until you know, because redirecting the > old page to a new mechanism would make the most sense. As i said, > there's lots of links to projects-old.gnome.org. > > Liam > > > > > cheers, > > Il giorno mer 5 dic 2018 alle ore 21:10 Liam R E Quin > > ha scritto: > > > On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in > > > > 2013 > > > > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > > > > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since > > > > then) > > > > > > i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? > > > > > > That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project > > > names > > > and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being > > > lost. > > > > > > There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break > > > a > > > lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search > > > ranking > > > a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP > > > redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have > > > wanted. > > > > > > > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > > > > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the > > > > former > > > > website all together. > > > > > > If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to > > > projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of > > > course. > > > The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a > > > question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate > > > something > > > that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage > > > project > > > maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? > > > > > > On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what > > > things > > > are :) > > > > > > The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, > > > because > > > of the division into categories. > > > > > > Liam (irc::ankh) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > > > with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. > > > Click here to have the slave beaten. > > > > > > > > -- > Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. > Click here to have the slave beaten. > -- Cheers, Andrea Red Hatter, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 12:31 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > Liam, > > no, I really meant projects-old.gnome.org which as I described on my > original e-mail was the pre-2013 projects page we had running before > transitioning to the new wiki.g.o based projects listing. Yes, i understood that. Sorry if i wasn't clear. > I believe the engagement team was looking > into possible new ways to unify projects listing into one single > view, not sure what's the status there though. Then i'd suggest holding off until you know, because redirecting the old page to a new mechanism would make the most sense. As i said, there's lots of links to projects-old.gnome.org. Liam > > cheers, > Il giorno mer 5 dic 2018 alle ore 21:10 Liam R E Quin > ha scritto: > > On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in > > > 2013 > > > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > > > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since > > > then) > > > > i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? > > > > That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project > > names > > and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being > > lost. > > > > There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break > > a > > lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search > > ranking > > a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP > > redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have > > wanted. > > > > > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > > > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the > > > former > > > website all together. > > > > If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to > > projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of > > course. > > The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a > > question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate > > something > > that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage > > project > > maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? > > > > On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what > > things > > are :) > > > > The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, > > because > > of the division into categories. > > > > Liam (irc::ankh) > > > > > > -- > > Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > > with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. > > Click here to have the slave beaten. > > > > -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave beaten. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
Liam, no, I really meant projects-old.gnome.org which as I described on my original e-mail was the pre-2013 projects page we had running before transitioning to the new wiki.g.o based projects listing. I believe the future of projects.g.o will vary, certain maintainers are setting up GitLab pages for their project (using Jekyll / Hugo), some others are using the wiki, still. I believe the engagement team was looking into possible new ways to unify projects listing into one single view, not sure what's the status there though. cheers, Il giorno mer 5 dic 2018 alle ore 21:10 Liam R E Quin ha scritto: > > On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > > Hey, > > > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in 2013 > > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since then) > > i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? > > That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project names > and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being lost. > > There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break a > lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search ranking > a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP > redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have > wanted. > > > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the former > > website all together. > > > If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to > projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of course. > The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a > question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate something > that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage project > maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? > > On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what things > are :) > > The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, because > of the division into categories. > > Liam (irc::ankh) > > > -- > Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. > Click here to have the slave beaten. > -- Cheers, Andrea Red Hatter, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:22 +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: > Hey, > > the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in 2013 > right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki > (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since then) i think you mean projects.gnome.org, right? That seems to be a lot less complete, and also just has project names and not explanations. So there's (out of date) information being lost. There are also a lot of external links to the page, so you'll break a lot of links (and, for what it's worth, hurt gnome.org's search ranking a little in the process). But this could be mitigated with an HTTP redirect to a page telling people how to find what they might have wanted. > for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I > believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the former > website all together. If it goes, it might be helpful to add short descriptions to projects.gnome.org, although that would mean a bunch of work of course. The (current) wiki pages are not organized enough to make this a question of easy scraping so maybe the answer is to automate something that grabs the page title from the linked pages, and encourage project maintaners to edit their wiki pages as needed? On the other hand it's fun exploring the page to find out what things are :) The new page is much better overall, even without descriptions, because of the division into categories. Liam (irc::ankh) -- Liam Quin - web slave for https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ with fabulous vintage art and fascinating texts to read. Click here to have the slave beaten. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
projects-old.gnome.org being discontinued
Hey, the projects-old website [1] was decided to be left around in 2013 right after transitioning projects pages to the GNOME's wiki (projects.g.o is a vhost that contains a set of redirects since then) for a short period of time while the transition was happening. I believe it's now a good time (after 5+ years!) to retire the former website all together. We'll be removing the vhost and the associated DNS entry on Friday 7th of December. If there's anyone interested in keeping it active please let me know so we can keep it around for some additional time, the code behind it is available on GitLab [2]. Thanks, [1] https://projects-old.gnome.org [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Archive/gnomeweb-wml -- Cheers, Andrea Red Hatter, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
